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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 08:17 AM
i don't know about everyone else here,
but i've *assumed* soy was good for me, until recently. In a feeble attempt to try and eat more healthful foods, i decided to add more soy into my diet, using Soy Milk (the yummy vanilla flavor was very appealing) and tofu.

well, it was all fun and games until i broke out in a rash covering my entire neck, and parts of my face now too. I decided to do a bit of research, and found out that Soy is not the 'miracle plant' i was led to belive. In addition to the rash, i had another side effect...one that effects men as well......enlarged breasts! lmao! (i'm serious).

some information and warnings about soy are all over the web, i'm just posting this as a warning to all of you, who thought (like me) Soy was a good thing.

SOY DANGERS:

High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.


Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic orders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.


Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.


Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.


Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body’s requirement for B12.


Soy foods increase the body’s requirement for vitamin D.


Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.


Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.


Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and added to many soy foods.


Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys. (and aluminum has been shown to cause Alzheimers)


SOY INFANT FORMULA — BIRTH CONTROL PILLS FOR BABIES

Babies fed soy-based formula have 13,000 to 22,000 times more estrogen compounds in their blood than babies fed milk-based formula.


Infants exclusively fed soy formula receive the estrogenic equivalent of at least five birth control pills per day.


Male infants undergo a “testosterone surge” during the first few months of life, when testosterone levels may be as high as those of an adult male. During this period, baby boys are programmed to express male characteristics after puberty, not only in the development of their sexual organs and other masculine physical traits, but also in setting patterns in the brain characteristic of male behavior.


Pediatricians are noticing greater numbers of boys whose physical maturation is delayed, or does not occur at all, including lack of development of the sexual organs. Learning disabilities, especially in male children, have reached epidemic proportions.


Soy infant feeding—which floods the bloodstream with female hormones that inhibit testosterone—cannot be ignored as a possible cause for these tragic developments. In animals, soy feeding indicates that phytoestrogens in soy are powerful endocrine disrupters.


Almost 15 percent of white girls and 50 percent of African-American girls show signs of puberty such as breast development and pubic hair, before the age of eight. Some girls are showing sexual development before the age of three. Premature development of girls has been linked to the use of soy formula and exposure to environmental estrogens such as PCBs and DDE.





 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 08:19 AM
Enlarged breasts? What's the problem with THAT?


Like....HOW large?

[Edited on 5/18/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 08:22 AM
oh god i should have known that is the part that would be singled out!

not much but noticeable to me and my wardrobe.


no, i dont need anyone to measure.


anyway SOY IS EVIL

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 08:24 AM
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oh god i should have known that is the part that would be singled out!

not much but noticeable to me and my wardrobe.


no, i dont need anyone to measure.


anyway SOY IS EVIL

You should have known it would be ME who would single that part out.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 08:31 AM
I only use soy occasionally, and on that basis I doubt very much that it is capable of any harm to me. If it's in your diet EVERY day, now that's another story. All I know is that when I am done with a good hard workout, such as a bicycle ride of 15-20 miles, a cold quart of vanilla soy milk is the greatest. They say you should avoid high sugar drinks after a workout, as you are negating a lot of the positive blood sugar lowering effects the workout gave you. Soy drinks are high in protein and relatively low in sugar content (compared to soft drinks, etc) and very satisfying after a workout.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 08:41 AM
rob, that is one of the reasons i was using it.....but no more!

this is a plant that was introduced to help the soil between crops like corn and wheat. it adds nitrogen back to the soil, and is often used for crop rotations. when i lived on a farm in Delaware, every other year there would be soy planted. It is a cheap alternative in a lot of ways, and sucks the toxins out of the soil. Well, the toxins then go into the plant....which you get when you eat it.

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How much soy is safe to eat?

For infants, we believe any soy is too much soy. Adults consuming soy should also exercise caution. As Dr Daniel Sheehan, Director of Reproductive Toxicology at the USA Department of Health and Human Servises' Research Center says "No dose is without risk; risk is a function of dose" in this letter to his head office opposing "health" claims for soy protein. Follow the following link to Dr Sheehans letter.
http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_000609_soyfdaletter_feature.html

The observations from the Ishizuki Thyroid Clinic study indicate significant, goitrogenic effects in subjects fed 30 g soybeans per day. Based on the concentrations of isoflavones found in Japanese soybeans, 30 g of soybeans could contribute up to 23 mg total genistein and 10 mg of total daidzein. For a 70 kg adult this would equate to an intake of 0.33 mg/kg-body weight of genistein and 0.14 mg/kg-body weight of daidzein per day.

This amount of isoflavone consumption is approximately three times higher than the amount typically consumed in Japan, which is 0.08 to 0.13 mg/kg-body weight of total genistein per day for a 70 kg adult.

For infants fed soy-formulas, the exposure to isoflavones is greater than in any other population group. Infants less than 6 months of age who are solely fed soy formula have an intake of up to 5.4 mg/kg-body weight of genistein and 2.3 mg/kg-body weight basis of daidzein per day. Hence, soy formula fed infants are exposed to approximately 16 times greater levels of isoflavones than the subjects in the Ishizuki study.

The concentrations of isoflavones found in soy products can vary but studies from New Zealand indicate that a diet of 500g of soy milk plus 200g tofu per day would result in the consumption of up to 135 mg total genistein and 80 mg total daidzein. For a 70 kg adult this equates to an intake of 1.9 mg/kg-body weight of genistein and 1.1 mg/kg-body weight of daidzein per day. This degree of exposure to isoflavones is more than five times that of subjects in the investigation by Ishizuki.

Users of isoflavone supplements may consume up to 40 mg of genistein per day. For a 70 kg adult this is equivalent to 0.57 mg/kg-body weight basis of genistein per day which is about 1.7 times more than that found to have goitrogenic effects.

Therefore, soy formula fed infants, high soy consumers and users of isoflavone supplements might exhibit classic hypothyroid symptoms without recognising a dietary connection. Unfortunately there is little data as what constitutes an appropriate level of soy intake, although it appears that some western consumers may now be eating far greater amounts of soy than that taken as part of a traditional Asian diet.

Soy users should be aware of the potency of just 30 mg soy isoflavones per day. Thyroid disorders (see above for discussion on the active dose in the Ishizuki Thyroid Clinic study) and other biological effects have been observed at dose around this level.

As an approximate guide 30 mg of soy isoflavones can be found in:

Soybeans and soyflours: 9 - 20g (0.3 - 0.7oz).

Soy mince: 12g (0.4oz).

Tofu: 50 - 110g (1.8 - 3.9oz).

Soy milks: 150 - 240g (5.3 - 8.5oz).

Miso: 35 - 45g (1.2 - 1.6oz).

Soybean sprouts: 80g (2.8oz).



What products contain soy?

As well as obvious soyfoods like tofu, soy milk and miso, and other soy products such as isolated soy protein (ISP) and soy protein concentrate (SPC), very many processed foods contain soy, some examples are:

Biscuits Breads Vegetarian burgers
Cakes Crackers Bakery products
Pastries Meat substitutes Pancakes
Chicken nuggets Legume meal Fish fingers
Pies Meat extenders Hydrolysed vegetable protein (HVP)
Yoghurt Breakfast cereals Sausages
Soups Baby foods Doughnuts
Vegetarian meats Sandwich spreads Baby rusks
Pet Foods Animal feeds Textured vegetable protein (TVP)



Why isn't this information readily available?

People deserve the right to know about what they are eating and what they are feeding their children. So why are government agencies so reluctant to share information with the public?

New Zealand environmental scientist and phytoestrogen researcher Dr Mike Fitzpatrick met with California DHS staff in June 1998 to express his concerns about soy, and particularly soy formulas. He received a written response from DHS toxicologist Dr Susan Loscutoff. Loscutoff stated:

"I agree that high levels of dietary exposures to isoflavones in infants fed soy-based formulas is cause for concern."

"I do not agree that parents have a right to know that soy-based formulas contain isoflavones and the kinds of toxicities isoflavones might demonstrate in infants, since parents would not know how to interpret the information."

This kind of response it quite typical of agencies fearing a severe backlash from the soy lobby should they alert the public to the potential health concerns of soy isoflavones.


What else can I do?

Write to your National or State Health Department representatives demanding information on the risks associated with the consumption of soy isoflavones, especially by infants, and the safety of isoflavone supplements/OTC-drugs.

Write to potentially sympathetic politicians (e.g. in the US Senator Barbara Boxer or Senator Fred Lautenberg), and express your concern about the presence of isoflavones in soy formulas. Ask for clarification regarding the safety of soy formulas and soy isoflavone supplements/OTC drugs.

Share this information with your health professionals and friends.

Be prepared for a 'no evidence of harm' response from government agencies. The facts, however, tell a different story.



Soy Free Manufactured Foods

The Manufactured Food Database (MFD) has been compiled by Nutrition Services, Auckland Hospital from information voluntarily supplied by New Zealand Food Manufacturers. This database provides information on which products have been declared Soy free.



Soy Allergies

It is not widely known that soy is one of the most allergenic foods in modern diets. It is reported in several research reports to contain at least 30 allergenic proteins. Find out more about soy allergies on our Soy Allergies page.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 08:48 AM
My uncle and cousins in IN who farm have rotated corn, soy beans and alfalfa for years. I never knew about soy beans sucking the toxins out of the soil. I guess there's a lot more to the phrase "You are what you eat" than we thought, eh?

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 08:54 AM
i am not a scientist, nor do i portray one on tv,
i'm just a girl with a rash from eating more soy then i normally would have.

 

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i am not a scientist, nor do i portray one on tv,
i'm just a girl with a rash and larger breasts from eating more soy then i normally would have.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 09:33 AM
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oh god i should have known that is the part that would be singled out!

not much but noticeable to me and my wardrobe.


no, i dont need anyone to measure.


anyway SOY IS EVIL

we don't believe you... pictures would help you explain your case

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 09:33 AM
You have not come close to convincing me that one or two quarts a week of soy milk is gonna hurt me. It's bottoms up for me after a workout.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 09:34 AM
hey rob, i dont care what you want to drink! really i dont. i like man breasts! really, i do !

i should say SOY IS EVIL FOR ME. and Babies too.

 

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oh god i should have known that is the part that would be singled out!

not much but noticeable to me and my wardrobe.


no, i dont need anyone to measure.


anyway SOY IS EVIL

we don't believe you... pictures would help you explain your case




nice try.





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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 10:08 AM
I love my big titties............

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 11:56 AM
Here's a good way to look at some facts: go to www.realage.com. Do a search for "soy" on the website. There's a lot of information here, both pro and con. I found a youtube video where an M.D. says that tofu should be avoided completely and only fermented soy products such as miso consumed. Then of course, there's a lot of pro soy data there as well. Is soy the miracle food that a lot of people have been claiming it is for years now? I am convinced that it's not, but I never really bought into that, anyway. I still am a long way from being convinced that a quart of soy milk after a workout is going to hurt me.

 

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Did someone say Big Boobies?

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 12:13 PM
People have laughed at me for years, but this is exactly why I have rubbed soy milk on my bits and pieces for years. It works. I may not have to get a rib taken out after all.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 01:18 PM
i guess my main point for posting this is,

if you wind up with a rash and you are not sure what it is,
take a look at your soy intake.

i've increased mine ten fold over the past two months and i regret it.

your mileage may vary. so might your cup size

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 01:42 PM
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i guess my main point for posting this is,

if you wind up with a rash and you are not sure what it is,
take a look at your soy intake.

i've increased mine ten fold over the past two months and i regret it.

your mileage may vary. so might your cup size
wow... I've never heard eating\drinking something would make my cup size grow...

 

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Soy has phytoestrogens in it, which are found in soy and they act like estrogen in the body.

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A Boost In A Bottle >> Breasts Enlargement In A Bottle

It is possible to firm up your breast and enlarges them by at least a couple of centimetres without resorting to breast augmentation or silicone bags these days.


Many non-surgical breasts enlargement rely on the use of plant estrogens to stimulate the growth of breast tissue. This method of breasts enlargement, by plant estrogens or phytoestrogens causes the body to react in a manner similar to puberty and is non-hormonal. These breast enlargement users have reported growth of several cup sizes.

In most cases, women who choose breasts enlargement by phytoestrogen use products that come in the form of a pill to be taken daily or through direct application on the breasts. Breasts enlargement pills generally begin to show results within a few weeks and manufacturers of breast enlargement pills explain that the results can be controlled to an extent by the length of treatment.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 02:31 PM
I hate Tofu

 

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 09:24 PM
I'm a vegetarian, and soy comprises a large amount of my protein intake. I saw a nutritionist and a doctor who ran blood tests and changed my diet to increase the protein as well as add certain supplements. I lost over 25 pounds and 15% body fat in about 4 months. I have never looked or felt better, all under medical supervision.

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  posted on 5/18/2007 at 10:33 PM
Plain ol regular soy milk, Special K wiht strawberries...yum

 

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