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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 08:52 AM
Hillary's wasted no time voicing her comments about Imus's remarks calling them "small-minded bigotry and coarse sexism." and "showed a disregard for basic decency and were disrespectful and degrading to African Americans and women everywhere." but seem to have no problem accepting $800,000 from rapper Timbaland. Wonder if Hillary lectured Timbaland about the lyrics to some of his raps? Somehow, I doubt it, and somehow I'll doubt she give the $800,000 back. All this from someone who wants to be President of the United States. Sad, ain't it. Hate to say it, but I think Imus's big problem wasn't what he said, his problem was not making similar contributions to Jesse's Operation PUSH and/or Al's National Action Network. Guarantee if he would have done so, the "Righteous Reverends" would have quickly forgiven him, and he would still have his radio show.

From Clinton, Hip-Hop Hypocrisy

By Colbert I. King
Saturday, April 21, 2007

Put me in the camp of those who implore Sen. Clinton to give it back -- "it" being the reported $800,000 that's sitting in her presidential campaign coffers thanks to a fundraiser hosted in her honor March 31 in the Pinecrest, Fla., home of a huge Clinton fan who refers to himself as Timbaland.

In response to my questions, Clinton campaign spokesman Blake Zeff said in an e-mail this week that it cost $1,000 just to get into Timbaland's fundraiser, that about 200 guests were on hand and that the senator was accompanied by former president Bill Clinton.

You would not be reading about Clinton or about Timbaland -- who entered this vale of tears 36 years ago in Norfolk under the name Timothy Mosley -- were it not for the fact that he is a well-heeled hip-hop producer and noted performer of the kind of misogynistic and denigrating lyrics that informed Don Imus's derogatory comments about the Rutgers women's basketball team.

Mrs. Clinton, you may recall, took umbrage at Imus's remarks, branding them "small-minded bigotry and coarse sexism." His words, she said in an e-mail to supporters, "showed a disregard for basic decency and were disrespectful and degrading to African Americans and women everywhere."

Good for her, I say, except it must be asked why she was down in Florida making nice to -- and pocketing big bucks from -- a rapper whose obscenity-laced lyrics praise violence, perpetuate racist stereotypes and demean black women.

Check out Timbaland's latest album, "Timbaland Presents Shock Value."

Here are lyrics from the track "Come and Get Me":

"Nigga Your Time Is Up, I Aint Come To Kid You
I Knew You Niggas Was Dumb, But How Dumb Is You . . .
I'm A Ride Or Die Nigga, I Be Tearing [expletive] Up
We Aint Like Them Other Fools, Who Don't Compare To Us
All The Hoes Love A Nigga, They be Backing It Up
But Me I Love Money I Be Stacking It Up . . .
I'm Rich I Can Pay To Have You Six Feet Deep (Nigga)"

And from his track "Kill Yourself":

" . . . most of u rap niggas is hoes to me,
wherever u from
the question I ask
is do u think I give a [expletive] . . .
u mad at me? cuz im getting rich,
well put the pistol to ur head and empty the clip, pop nigga!"

And how about this little ditty, "Considerate Brotha," from an earlier recording:

". . . Hoes coming up short? Hoes finna get cursed out!
. . . Slam the mask out of these hoes and they say, 'What is that, velvet?'
And they betta meet they quota, betta yet betta meet they deadline . . . I'm a pimp all around
A pimp of the town -- we pimpin 'em up, HOES DOWN."

It could not be determined whether Timbaland shared his musical talents with the Clintons while they were in his home collecting money.

This much I do know: If Hillary Clinton wasn't playing a hypocrite in the Don Imus episode and is, in fact, a leader who matches her lofty ideals with stand-up behavior, she should return the $800,000 Timbaland raised for her at his swank affair.



 
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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 11:22 AM
and to think people want her as our president, i for myself would be moving to Mexico

 

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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 11:27 AM
The good news is that since the election season is starting so early this time, she has lots more time to hang herself, which I predict she will do.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 11:38 AM
I rarely, if ever, post in Political Threads - that said, despite any poll numbers, it is my gut feeling that Hillary has ZERO chance of being elected.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 12:32 PM
If Imus had been a black man, the sad part is, no one would have said a thing. I don't like rap and I won't defend it, but if we read the lyrics written in the article posted and realize the writing reflects what's going on in the underbelly of our society, we need to be concerned about a larger problem than Imus.

As for Hillary....she's as big a money whore as the rest of them but she didn't take money from anyone more reprehensible than those who are getting rich from this war donating to other candidates.

I think I'll change my name and start a campaign to get on the ballot as 'None of the Above". I just might win!

 

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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 01:12 PM
I prefer to think Hillary is just another music fan.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 01:14 PM
Don't get me started on double standards.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 02:52 PM
You know at the end of the day Imus is now a "Man Man" because he actually took his licks. If Timbaland as a "Black Man" thinks it is allright for a "Black Man" to disrespect "Black Women" then he is not much of a "Man" period. If the black comminity does not want to hold him accountable then it is a pretty sad day for them when "White Men" have more respect for a "Black Woman" then a "Black Man" like Timbaland and those of his ilk do.

As a woman it is also a pretty sad day for us when a woman who runs as a champion of women's rights will not make a statement by giving his money back and stand up for women both black and white. She is no better than the righteous women who have defended Imus's statements.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 04:02 PM
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Hillary's wasted no time voicing her comments about Imus's remarks calling them "small-minded bigotry and coarse sexism." and "showed a disregard for basic decency and were disrespectful and degrading to African Americans and women everywhere." but seem to have no problem accepting $800,000 from rapper Timbaland. Wonder if Hillary lectured Timbaland about the lyrics to some of his raps? Somehow, I doubt it, and somehow I'll doubt she give the $800,000 back. All this from someone who wants to be President of the United States. Sad, ain't it.

I'm confused- why is it sad? Are you saying Hillary needs to listen to all of Timbaland's lyrics before deciding if she can accept his money? Is anybody else being held to this standard?

There hypocrites here - tons of people who were guests on Imus' show for many years, who knew what his humor was about and knew he'd made similar comments in the past, who couldn't be found when the heat was on.

I'd also add that if Hillary was criticizing rap lyrics, somebody would complain that she's advocating nanny state politics and trying to censor music. [One of the things that annoys me most about her is her lack of interest in free speech.] Why am I supposed to care about Hillary's opinions about Don Imus and rap lyrics? She doesn't listen to rap, neither do I, and I don't care what she thinks about it. This is a waste of time.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 05:30 PM
Hillary ain't nuthin but an oppurtunistic chameleon: "I'm your NY senator, I'm a good ole gal from Arkansas,I marched w/ Dr. King", etc. Every single candidate makes me sick, you gotta be an a-hole and impressed with yourself just to run for office. The most frustrating thing is that most of us could and would do a better job than ANY elected official.The problem is we're too busy trying to survive than to revolt against the powers that be .Besides if she won , can you imagine the cost to keep her in those phucking pant suits? I'm gonna write in for Dan Gurney, Dan's the man. http://home.flash.net/~dralstin/stories/Gurney.htm
 

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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 06:09 PM
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Richard Pryor beat you to it.

 

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I think I'll change my name and start a campaign to get on the ballot as 'None of the Above". I just might win!


Richard Pryor beat you to it.


I'm pretty sure Richard Pryor won't be running in this next election....and I don't think he legally changed his name to None of the Above anyway!

 

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  posted on 4/22/2007 at 09:22 PM
Sadly, I was wrong in predicting that she wouldnt run. I was certain she had enough sense to stay out of the race for the good of not only the Democrats but for the nation itself. Now, shes promising to bring Bill on board as an ambassador of some sort (not a bad idea, but not really something she should be really pushing for). Every time she makes the news, Im reminded of what a horrible candidate she is. Derek was right on this one.
 

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Sadly, I was wrong in predicting that she wouldnt run. I was certain she had enough sense to stay out of the race for the good of not only the Democrats but for the nation itself.

Oh jeez, yes, why oh why didn't she spare people who wanted to vote for her from doing so?

Were you saying this about Bush seven years ago? Were any Democrats? I doubt it. I won't vote for her in the primaries and I'm not a fan, but even some Democrats are convinced she's the daughter of the Antichrist and Lady Macbeth. I just don't get it. She might be a half-decent President or she might lose the election, but she won't be the downfall of the Democratic Party or the country.

 

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I'm confused- why is it sad? Are you saying Hillary needs to listen to all of Timbaland's lyrics before deciding if she can accept his money? I'm confused- why is it sad? Are you saying Hillary needs to listen to all of Timbaland's lyrics before deciding if she can accept his money? Is anybody else being held to this standard?




Marley,

I'm sure Hillary knows exactly who Timbaland is and what he does and how he makes his money. But money is money, and if she's willing to "sell out" her beliefs for the money than she doesn't have any damn business being President. As far as "Is anybody else being held to this standard?", the only thing I can say is, this voter is going to hold whatever candidates running for President "to the standard" that if "you talk the talk, you better walk the walk". Blatant hypocrisy, I'm not going to put up with, no matter, what side it comes from. Got enought of that sh*t going on already.

 
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But money is money, and if she's willing to "sell out" her beliefs for the money than she doesn't have any damn business being President.

No criticism of your comments CUH, just an observation: if this was the case then we'd have an even shorter list of people running for office. Virtually all politicians have to sell out for money. Millionaires don't pay $5,000 for a plate of bad food unless they expect something in return. Usually, that's access to contribute even more if the candidate will see a few things their way. That's our system, screwed up as it is.

If it weren't so, then running would be limited to the independently wealthy, those who could raise vast sums by small contributions (Obama?), or we'd have to change to 100% publically funded campaigns.

Much as I detest Hillary, I don't think she will do anything wrong by keeping the money. After all; is she responsible for black society degrading and destroying itself? People have to want to help themselves and honestly look in the mirror before positive change can begin. You think a little white girl from Illinois is going to change that? Then again, many in that group consider Bill to be the first "black" president - so I guess anything is possible.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2007 at 07:15 AM
Fujirich,

I understand people who make large contributions to politicians do so for access and favor. That's understood, but in this case, you have Ms. Clinton, making remarks about Don Imus's remarks toward women and blacks and how damaging they are while at the same time, taking money from a person, Timbaland, who is well know as rapper and hip-hop producer, and who's "products" often make far worse remarks regarding women and blacks than anything Don Imus ever said. To me that's BLATANT Hypocrisy. Truth is, if she was going to take Timbaland's money, she should kept her mouth shut about Imus. btw, I certainly don't buy into the argument that she didn't know about the music that Timbaland produces, but if it is true, then that makes her even less qualified to be President of the United States, as she doesn't know (or care) who's money she's taking, and what their agenda's are.

 
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  posted on 4/23/2007 at 07:59 AM
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Oh jeez, yes, why oh why didn't she spare people who wanted to vote for her from doing so?


I would suspect that her "base" is a small fraction of far left voters. That said, we should want the very best overall candidate from both parties. Hillary aint it.

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Were you saying this about Bush seven years ago?


You bet I was. I was telling anyone who would listen what a horrible President this guy was going to make after watching him destroy Texas as Governor.

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Were any Democrats? I doubt it. I won't vote for her in the primaries and I'm not a fan, but even some Democrats are convinced she's the daughter of the Antichrist and Lady Macbeth. I just don't get it. She might be a half-decent President or she might lose the election, but she won't be the downfall of the Democratic Party or the country.


No, but she is still not the best that the Democrats can do.

 

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In a world where honor and honesty, and truely living by those values, was an attribute highly prized in the character of our politicians I would completely agree with you CUH. Somehow we seem to have reached a point where that is in short supply - or at least valued on a more conditional basis. Not my personal preference mind you, and obviously not yours, but I doubt many will hold Hillary to much of a standard on this. The next news cycle will wash this into oblivion, as the nation will focus on whatever new celebrity bs comes along.

 

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But money is money, and if she's willing to "sell out" her beliefs for the money than she doesn't have any damn business being President.

That's a great standard, but can you tell me what a single other candidate has said about rap or Imus, and what donations the other candidates have accepted?

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I would suspect that her "base" is a small fraction of far left voters.

You think the far left supports Hillary? Seriously?
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That said, we should want the very best overall candidate from both parties. Hillary aint it.

I don't think she is either, but that doesn't mean she shouldn't run. You've made it sound like she had a responsibility not to run. I think we're better off with the greatest number of possible candidates in the running.
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You bet I was. I was telling anyone who would listen what a horrible President this guy was going to make after watching him destroy Texas as Governor.

That's not what I asked. I asked if you were telling people that Bush had a moral obligation not to run, as you appear to be saying Hillary has some kind of obligation not to run. She hasn't done anything wrong by running, and if the voters choose her - though that might be the wrong choice - she hasn't done anything wrong there either.

 

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You bet I was. I was telling anyone who would listen what a horrible President this guy was going to make after watching him destroy Texas as Governor.



Hmmm. He was destroying Texas, yet was re-elected as governor with %71 of the vote???

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You think the far left supports Hillary? Seriously?



I agreed with Marley on this one, as it represents an amazing lack of knowledge of the Hillary dynamic. Completely clueless statement. The far left has had a target on her back from jump. Wow.

 

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I would suspect that her "base" is a small fraction of far left voters.

You think the far left supports Hillary? Seriously?


I think theres probably more far left than middle left, yes. I think any Democrat with half a brain wouldnt support Hillary knowing what a polarizing figure she is. She is either so stuck on herself or she is too stupid to realize that her candidacy is going to give the Republicans way more votes than they would expect to get simply from the base voters coming out in droves to defeat the greatest evil they have ever known; A Clinton.

Republicans will fight her tooth and nail on every single thing she proposes and the Democrats will have to waste their time defending her. She will be a lame duck from day one. I just hope people have enough sense to stay away from her. Surely the Democrats can field a better candidate.

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I don't think she is either, but that doesn't mean she shouldn't run. You've made it sound like she had a responsibility not to run. I think we're better off with the greatest number of possible candidates in the running.


Well, Im not trying to say she had a responsibility NOT to run, only that I think she is making a very bad decision to do so and those that support her are adding fuel to that fire as I dont believe she is a very good candidate with the history she has had both real and embellished (by the RW). I love Bill Clinton, but I see this whole thing by her as a way to get Bill back in the WH in some form or fashion..she is banking on Bill and his appeal amongst Democrats and moderates to generate votes for her. Its probably going to work to some degree, but at the end of the day, a candidate has to be able to deliver from themselves

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That's not what I asked. I asked if you were telling people that Bush had a moral obligation not to run, as you appear to be saying Hillary has some kind of obligation not to run. She hasn't done anything wrong by running, and if the voters choose her - though that might be the wrong choice - she hasn't done anything wrong there either.


Ok, I should have clarified that. Its a figure of speech on my part and I apologize. Of course, she has every right to run (as did Bush) and more power to them. Im all for free and fair elections and letting the voters decide. My whole issue with Hillary is that I think (personally) that her candidacy is going to hurt the Democrats in the long run. Those that are embracing her run should be looking at more moderate choices (again, personal opinon). I think Hillary is too polarizing and its going to be a long hard road if she should get the nomination.

 

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Hmmm. He was destroying Texas, yet was re-elected as governor with %71 of the vote???


Uh yeah, Texas is deep red, Derek. He could sacrifice virgins on TV and still get that kind of voter turnout. Just because a guy is popular doesnt mean he is good or effective. If you believe that it does, then by your own logic Clinton had a long and wonderful presidency with many accomplishments.

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I agreed with Marley on this one, as it represents an amazing lack of knowledge of the Hillary dynamic. Completely clueless statement. The far left has had a target on her back from jump. Wow.


WTF are you talking about, Derek? Head over to Far Left Land (also known as Democratic Underground) and see how popular she is. There are people there that will vote for her regardless of her positions, statements etc. simply because of who she is.

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So, one takes it then that HRC does not have a "Sista Soulja" moment forthcoming?

 

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Sadly, I was wrong in predicting that she wouldnt run. I was certain she had enough sense to stay out of the race for the good of not only the Democrats but for the nation itself.

Oh jeez, yes, why oh why didn't she spare people who wanted to vote for her from doing so?

Were you saying this about Bush seven years ago? Were any Democrats? I doubt it. I won't vote for her in the primaries and I'm not a fan, but even some Democrats are convinced she's the daughter of the Antichrist and Lady Macbeth. I just don't get it. She might be a half-decent President or she might lose the election, but she won't be the downfall of the Democratic Party or the country.


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