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Author: Subject: The day Duane died, the facts the papers never heard

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  posted on 6/10/2007 at 11:10 AM
Windsinger, thank you so much for letting me quit pondering the "what really happened" question. As a lifelong fan who grew up in Macon, the stories were always too mixed up to make total sense of.....usually we got the version "and this happened, or something like that". I have to say that I am shocked that some didn't realize you were being sarcastic, but as for me I realized immediately your post for what they were. A heartfelt thanks from a new member of the community.

Skydog 70, keep on posting. Your ramblings reveal enough about your perspectives that they will, at best, amuse those of us old enough to have heard more conspiracy theories than you can think of.....and at worst, you will just be ignored.

Finally, for those of you NOT from Macon (and Nuwaydawg you may to explain this from time to time) Nuway Hot Dogs are beyond description. They had several locations when I was a kid; when I looked for them 3 or 4 years ago, they are getting kinda tough to find. When we found one (somewhere off Vineville, it may be the one Nuwaydawg useta go to) my wife (from Miami) didn't "get it". Thats ok, she doesnt get The Varsity in Atlanta, either....

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  posted on 6/24/2007 at 03:24 PM
Well, I've been outta This loop for awhile,.......
Just popping in to see what's going on,.........

It's HOT in Georgia, so I'm hiding in the new house with a fan,....no AC....

Hopefully gonna get to meet Linnie soon !!!!!!!!!

Now I'm off to look around and then go back to my cave at My Space,....
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  posted on 6/24/2007 at 05:25 PM
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Hopefully gonna get to meet Linnie soon !!!!!!!!!


You will love Linnie....

She just might be the best hugger on this site....

 

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  posted on 6/24/2007 at 06:08 PM
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Hopefully gonna get to meet Linnie soon !!!!!!!!!


You will love Linnie....

She just might be the best hugger on this site....


I betcha she hugs YOU,....'better' than she'll hug 'me'.......there's something about our built-in bumper pads that just gets-in-the-way of a REALLY good hug !!!!!!

Personally I was more looking forward to finding out what kind of 'hugger' our Dave is,.....but I'll ask Linnie, 'cause you wouldn't know,..........

hmmmmmmmmm.....come to think of it, I think she already told me at some point,....yeah,...I'm Sure of it,.........Definately !!!!! I'll still hug Linnie,.......but Dave is the one I plan to tackle !!!

 

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Hopefully gonna get to meet Linnie soon !!!!!!!!!


You will love Linnie....

She just might be the best hugger on this site....


I betcha she hugs YOU,....'better' than she'll hug 'me'.......there's something about our built-in bumper pads that just gets-in-the-way of a REALLY good hug !!!!!!

Personally I was more looking forward to finding out what kind of 'hugger' our Dave is,.....but I'll ask Linnie, 'cause you wouldn't know,..........

hmmmmmmmmm.....come to think of it, I think she already told me at some point,....yeah,...I'm Sure of it,.........Definately !!!!! I'll still hug Linnie,.......but Dave is the one I plan to tackle !!!


I have never hugged Dave....

Now the bumper thing should not get in Linnie's way. She has a habit of holding on tight and laying hear head on your shoulder.....

Makes me want to have some grandchildren with her..... , but she's my little sister who showed me the Eiffel Tower while I was in NY this year....

 

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  posted on 6/25/2007 at 09:30 AM
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Hopefully gonna get to meet Linnie soon !!!!!!!!!


You will love Linnie....

She just might be the best hugger on this site....


I betcha she hugs YOU,....'better' than she'll hug 'me'.......there's something about our built-in bumper pads that just gets-in-the-way of a REALLY good hug !!!!!!

Personally I was more looking forward to finding out what kind of 'hugger' our Dave is,.....but I'll ask Linnie, 'cause you wouldn't know,..........

hmmmmmmmmm.....come to think of it, I think she already told me at some point,....yeah,...I'm Sure of it,.........Definately !!!!! I'll still hug Linnie,.......but Dave is the one I plan to tackle !!!


I have never hugged Dave....

Now the bumper thing should not get in Linnie's way. She has a habit of holding on tight and laying hear head on your shoulder.....

Makes me want to have some grandchildren with her..... , but she's my little sister who showed me the Eiffel Tower while I was in NY this year....


Hmmmmmmm I know a guy, 6' 7" who ALWAYS kisses me on top of my pointy head after a hug,....he's too tall to to lay his head on my 5' 7" shoulder,......

As for the Eiffel Tower,.....I saw the real one in Paris in 1985,.......didn't go up it,...only stayed out in the vast concrete pilazzo place in front of it,....but it was puuuuurrrrrrrty.

(heck, ALL of Paris was purty !!!! My father had warned me the place was dirty as hell (from when he'd been there 20 years earlier) but they must-of-cleaned it up,.....

'cause the worst thing I ever saw there was a woman, (or a she-male) in a short, sexy dress, high heels, and stockings with long hair matted beneath them and escapies coming through the sheer things looking like humans hanging out of windows in a burning sky-scraper...........a truely scary thing to be subjected to !!!!

Dave only lives about 4 hours from me.
One of these days I'm gonna get to collect that hug,....

(p.s......the 6' 7" guy,....has a 5' 2" wife !!!! TINY little thing !!!
But she's a Medieval fighter.

I mean the lady is in her mid-late 40s and she wears full armor and there ain't a man out on that field, INCLUDING her husband,........who doesn't face her with a certain amount of nervousness when she comes toward them with a sword in her hand !!!!!.....that includes my own mate, who is her 'brother')

 

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  posted on 6/30/2007 at 09:54 PM
I'm at my son's house.
The one I was Pg. with in the first post here.
Really good guy, my best friend.
He's having a party,.....the fireworks are starting, soon.

Just showed that first posting to several of his friends here (they were talking about different kinds of music, and ABB actually came up, amongst this 20/30-something crowd, and I already had the site up,.....cruising the forum while they played horseshoes and badminton out in the heat )

anyway, as long as I was showing um the post, I figured I'd speak up and say 'Hi' and keep this one alive awhile longer.

Found a Duane Allman Anthology set at library yesterday ,and a cd of the band's music,...to check out,....woops, the fireworks have started,....bye !
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Were there sirens all thru town the day Duane died?

my parents met in Macon (where i was born & adopted) but moved near Atlanta when i started school. they always went back to see Dr Forrester. heard stories about his diagnostic skills & how he saved mother's life.

so... they always went back to Macon Hospital for checkups & serious illnesses. i remember many hrs in the lobby bc grandparents went there too. my dad was in there alot in 1971-72, my 10th grade yr. it was my "bad girl" year in HS so some memories are strong, some vague. around that time i went to a Chicago & Three Dog Night concerts there.

i was in daddy's hospital room late one afternoon. we heard more sirens than we had ever heard. there were always sirens since it was the main hospital in town but this was unusual like something major had happened.
yrs later i heard stories that the police blocked all the intersections on the way to the hospital when Duane had the accident. dont know if it's true or just another legend.

like someone wrote - no one who knows anything believes it was a peach truck.

nancy

PS when did name change to Macon Med Ctr?
it was called tjat in an earlier post about hospital records fr Oct 71 but i dont remember it changing fr Macon Hospital by then.

 

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having scanned this whole thread ...i wouldnt anyone to presume i am illiterate bc my spelling is off. when i was in college PCs didnt exist & only secretaries typed so i refused to learn.
now & can hunt & peck fairly well but only whle looking at the keyboard & i havent found a spellcheck on the forum reply.
nancy
(conceived up north, macon born, atlanta bred)

also off subject - saw mention of Cobb Co - my father was born between 6 Flags & Gordon ( Factory Shoals near Mt Pisgah)
my grandfathers old Pure gas station & small gro store off Flloyd in Mableto - is now a bycycle shop & part of Silver Comet trail. we were so glad GA DOT bought it to preserve the land after Texaco choose to build across the street.

 

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While working with Johnny on his autobiography we discussed the day Duane died. He remembers getting a phone call about the accident and not thinking anything of it at the time. He walked over to the hospital from the Capricorn offices figuring it was a broken arm or leg but nothing much to worry about. I only mention this because had there been sirens going off all over town, I imagine he would have been aware of something more serious. That is only conjecture on my part and not stated as a fact there were not a lot of sirens. Just that he doesn't remember them.

 

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  posted on 7/18/2007 at 10:00 PM
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While working with Johnny on his autobiography we discussed the day Duane died. He remembers getting a phone call about the accident and not thinking anything of it at the time. He walked over to the hospital from the Capricorn offices figuring it was a broken arm or leg but nothing much to worry about. I only mention this because had there been sirens going off all over town, I imagine he would have been aware of something more serious. That is only conjecture on my part and not stated as a fact there were not a lot of sirens. Just that he doesn't remember them.


Ann, that's really not so wierd. His mind was simply on other things. Ya tend to tune out stuff when it is, especially stuff you hear all the time,........i.e. when I lived in Macon (30 years ago, to the end of this month (i.e. I moved away July 31, 1977) the sound of sirens was so common, you didn't even note them, unless you were on the road and something with a siren was rapidly approaching you. (Now I live in the country, and they're so rarely heard, that when I Do hear one, I pay attention, wondering if it's going to my elderly mother's house, just up the road)

i.e. they could easily been there, but he wasn't thinking about them having anything to do with Duane,....besides,....you said he 'walked' over to the hospital ?........tell me, of a hospital, ANYWHERE where there isn't the regular sound of sirens heard, in any given hour, especially in a city,......if he worked nearby,....he'd simply learned to tune them out. Think about it. You KNOW what i'm talking about.
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One of the things most people don't realize about ABB is back when Duane died, the band was only beginning to be recognized. Most of the people in Macon didn't really like the 'long haired hippies' that had descended on their town or know who Duane was. I'm not saying the police might not have accompanied the ambulance, but it wasn't because they knew it was Duane. Today, as Johnny says, mention ABB in Macon and people stand up and salute....back then, they just wanted them out of their town.

 

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  posted on 7/19/2007 at 11:30 AM
Yeah, ask Kim Payne about how the Macon City Police treated him. OK, in fairness to the MCPD, it was one officer who was obviously mentally unstable, but still...

 

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  posted on 7/19/2007 at 12:00 PM
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I have never hugged Dave....

Now the bumper thing should not get in Linnie's way. She has a habit of holding on tight and laying hear head on your shoulder.....

Makes me want to have some grandchildren with her..... , but she's my little sister who showed me the Eiffel Tower while I was in NY this year....



awwwww shucks daddio.......

i'll let you in on a secret........

when i hug you all, you know, you special ones, i practice something called "hugging meditation" that Tich Nat Hahn talks about. Yeah, i know i'm a weirdo. but i get a lot out of it.


Hugging Meditation

When we hug, our hearts connect and we know that we are not separate beings. Hugging with mindfulness and concentration can bring reconciliation, healing, understanding, and much happiness. The practice of mindful hugging has helped so many to reconcile with each other- fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, friends and friends, and so many others.

We may practice hugging meditation with a friend, our daughter, our father, our partner or even with a tree. To practice, we first bow and recognize the presence of each other. Then we can enjoy three deep conscious breaths to bring ourselves fully there. We then may open your arms and begin hugging. Holding each other for three in-and-out breaths. With the first breath, we are aware that we are present in this very moment and we are happy. With the second breath, we are aware that the other is present in this moment and we are happy as well. With the third breath, we are aware that we are here together, right now on this earth, and we feel deep gratitude and happiness for our togetherness. We then may release the other person and bow to each other to show our thanks.
When we hug in such a way, the other person becomes real and alive. We do not need to wait until one of us is ready to depart for a trip, we may hug right now and receive the warmth and stability of our friend in the present moment. Hugging can be a deep practice of reconciliation. During the silent hugging, the message can come out very clear: "Darling, you are precious to me. I am sorry I have not been mindful and considerate. I have made mistakes. Allow me to begin anew. I Promise."



 
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Hugging Meditation

When we hug, our hearts connect and we know that we are not separate beings. Hugging with mindfulness and concentration can bring reconciliation, healing, understanding, and much happiness. The practice of mindful hugging has helped so many to reconcile with each other- fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, friends and friends, and so many others.

We may practice hugging meditation with a friend, our daughter, our father, our partner or even with a tree. To practice, we first bow and recognize the presence of each other. Then we can enjoy three deep conscious breaths to bring ourselves fully there. We then may open your arms and begin hugging. Holding each other for three in-and-out breaths. With the first breath, we are aware that we are present in this very moment and we are happy. With the second breath, we are aware that the other is present in this moment and we are happy as well. With the third breath, we are aware that we are here together, right now on this earth, and we feel deep gratitude and happiness for our togetherness. We then may release the other person and bow to each other to show our thanks.
When we hug in such a way, the other person becomes real and alive. We do not need to wait until one of us is ready to depart for a trip, we may hug right now and receive the warmth and stability of our friend in the present moment. Hugging can be a deep practice of reconciliation. During the silent hugging, the message can come out very clear: "Darling, you are precious to me. I am sorry I have not been mindful and considerate. I have made mistakes. Allow me to begin anew. I Promise."





Okay,...I'M 'saving' and Shareing THAT one,....I have a far-a-way friend who's been keeping a 'soggy' (cyber) shoulder the last couple of months, 'cause of me.......I'm right now, writing him in another window,......I'm gonna send him this one........he'll LOVE it !!!! .....I Promise !!! I'll tell him it came from you, since you're both at My Space in my friends,......Thankyou !!!!

As for the Bibb County/Macon Police,........yeah,.......they viewed the ALLman's as 'long-haired-hippis' and had a certain contempt for them........Ann points out that they weren't all that well known, back then,......well, by comparison to what they became,....maybe not,....but inside of Macon (City) I beg to differ,.......JUST BECAUSE CHUCK AN I didn't know 'who' they were,....doesn't mean other folks didn't and they weren't well-known,..........I mean I honestly wasn't even aware of them, the day before the accident,.....if just wasn't our kind of music (Dave, Linnie, Pam,...y'all know why I'm here, and what I mean, as does Ann,......so I don't owe you guys any explanation,.....as to 'why' I'm here, now, if I wasn't a fan,.......)

Anyway,.....AFTER the accident,....I learned.
They WERE well known,....in the city. (!)
Dispite their long-haired-hippi look and rock-in-roll sound,....they were VERY well 'known'

It turned out that the city, in it's own way, was actually PROUD to be known as a 'parent' to the band,.......yes, the guys were 'hippis'...........but they were a rapidly rising 'star' and in the eyes of the city,...the Allmans were helping put the city on-the-map,........the city, even then, was proud of laying claim to being:
'The home of the Allman Bros. Band'

Few folks could be More aware of that, than me/us, at the time,........

I went from one day, Oct. 29, 1971 having NO Clue 'who' they were,.....to within a single week, finding out exactly HOW well-known they were, in circles my solitary little housewife and mother life-style had never taken me,.....

I mean we had friends, who liked different music than we did.
Chuck was big into 'Country-rock' (Glen Campbell, Wayne-newton, Kenny Rogers)
I preferred 'folk'-Ballads (Judy Collins, New Christy Minstels, John Denver)



WE just didn't listen to the electrical stuff,....if I was listening to long-haired-musicians,...their names were Bach, and Beethovan (and Tchaikovsky (!!!)

But we were to learn from our friends, (and the media) about the Allmans.

those friends, later, when what had happened, had become known, were quick to assail us (enlighten us) as to the band's popularity.......

Believe me,...the 'City' KNEW 'who' they were !!!!!

YES,....the police we personally encountered during the whole thing, DID consider them 'hippis'....and clearly objected to the long hair,....but...

There was a certain, acknowledged 'respect' there for their recognized talent,....and budding fame,.......in fact, it was the police, themselves, who first gave us our earliest clues as to the Band's recognition by the city,..........

I just wanna go on-the-record as saying that.....
Wind.

 

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  posted on 7/19/2007 at 04:08 PM
Well, guess Johnny was wrong...what would he know anyway.

 

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  posted on 7/19/2007 at 04:37 PM
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Hey, I didn't say he was 'wrong'........

From where he sat,......he was probably right.
It was his perspective, what all he, himself, and others he knew, had experienced.....

I'm just relating things from a different, from his. perspective,........
We KNEW NOTHING !!!

We'd had nothing but Good encounters with the local law enforcement,...C. being clean-cut and a blue-collar worker,...

(me being long-haired and no-make-up,...and usually barefoot.....I OFTEN got mistaken for a 'hippi', especially in the long calico dresses. and skirts with peasant tops I preferred to the mini-skirts of the time (I had 'hot-pants' (short-shorts) but no mini-skirts)

In fact my 'look' didn't sit too well with Chuck's boss,......who preferred a 'Church-lady' look on 'respectable' females,.......but he could 'hide' me,......

Anyway, C's work often put him in contact with the local officers, any place his work took him.......he had a REALLY good 'rapor' (sp) with them, and once even got invited out for a weekend at some Sherrif's lake cabin (but turned down the invite, when he found out it didn't include 'family'...man told him "Oh No, Not 'the families'....just us guys,....get away from the Women-folk !" Chuck told him "Look,....YOUR idea of a 'good' weekend might be to get 'away' with the guys,.....but I'm putting in 60 and 70 hour weeks, and I barely get to see my wife and family as it is,....thanks, but no thanks,....if the wife can't go, neither can I"

Anyway,....it was his clean-cut look, and working-class oil-grimed hands and work-worn jeans, and easy-going manner that made the police treat him with respect,...he Never had a lick of trouble out of them.

So what I'm saying, is what we heard about the Allmans, at the time, was from a totally fresh perspective,......we had no stories of our own, or friends as to what the local police had said or done, to influence our views......

Johnny was/is surely RIGHT,....from where he stood. I'm sure, it looked, EXACTLY as he said it did.

But the ocean looks different, depending if you're on a boat, looking toward land, or if you're on the shore, looking toward vast, open, ocean,......it's STILL the same 'ocean'
The view is just different,.....
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One of the things most people don't realize about ABB is back when Duane died, the band was only beginning to be recognized. Most of the people in Macon didn't really like the 'long haired hippies' that had descended on their town or know who Duane was. I'm not saying the police might not have accompanied the ambulance, but it wasn't because they knew it was Duane. Today, as Johnny says, mention ABB in Macon and people stand up and salute....back then, they just wanted them out of their town.
That's very interesting Ann, and I have to agree. The following April after Duane died my band hopped in my Ford Econoline 350 and headed for Macon to pay our respects to Duane and visit his grave. Unknown to us at the time was Duane was not buried yet. We were all longhaired at the time, and was a bit surprised at some of the looks we got. We thought we would fit right in, but we were viewed not so kindly by some. When I returned 2 years later after Berry was killed, the treatment was completely different.


 

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  posted on 8/25/2007 at 06:22 AM
Imagine the feeling the driver had to go through slipping into the "what if's" through out the rest of his life, wondering what he may have possibly done to prevent the accident, or blaming his self ?

Thing is that on that day, the light chose Duane and there is nothing anyone could have done really. It was the time, place, the ticket. When this comes there is no changing it. It happened so quickly that there wasn't any time to change it.

We are all very lucky that someone as Duane left us all some cool sounds. They have stood up the test of time and this is proof positive he was a gifted artist.

This is how he would want it all to be- or remembered. The precious gift for all. Had he survived, he would still be doing it. Im very thankful he left what he did for us.

 

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Imagine the feeling the driver had to go through slipping into the "what if's" through out the rest of his life, wondering what he may have possibly done to prevent the accident, or blaming his self ?

Thing is that on that day, the light chose Duane and there is nothing anyone could have done really. It was the time, place, the ticket. When this comes there is no changing it. It happened so quickly that there wasn't any time to change it.


John,.......the 'Driver' died, himself, in a traffic accident,...just a bit over 5 years later,...on Nov. 11, 1976,.....between Macon and Dublin, GA. on Hwy. 16, going toward Dublin,...

He, again,...was in the wrong place, at the wrong time,....but 'This' time,...the 'driver' was his own boss, who went to sleep at the wheel,...of the truck my wonderful husband was a passenger in.

Chuck only lived 5 years after Duane's tragic loss,....the driver of the truck Chuck himself was killed, riding in,......that driver would live for at, least, another 20 + years,...because I called and spoke to him when I was in Macon about 5+ years ago.

It's bad when the good ones go,...but hopefully they leave a legacy behind that makes their shortened lives remembered long after. Duane, clearly did. And in my own biased opinion,.......so did Chuck, in his own way,....because he gave a life back to me while he was here.
Wind.
(p.s. as to what Chuck 'felt' about what had happend to Duane,.....in his absense,...I guess I'm as close as anyone could be to knowing,.......yes,....there were 'what ifs' but he always knew that he'd just been in the wrong place at the wrong time,.........what DID 'haunt' him was that a life was lost. Even if it wasn't, directly his fault, he was still present when it happened,......

My mate lived each day of his own life as if it would be his last,....so he put a high value on it,.....and on any other. Yes, Duane's loss haunted him. (and his own loss will always haunt me,.......for I lost not so much a husband and father to my children,....but a best friend who should have been by my side for the last 30 years........it took me 14 years to find another man, almost as good as the one I lost,...but he'll never be the kind of friend my laughing Chuck was.)

Regardless, whether or not Chuck knew 'who' Duane was, before that day,....he never again,....forgot his name. Anytime we'd hear the name 'Allman Bros'..(etc.) ..Chuck would just kinda freeze and close his eyes for a painful moment. I'm sure he was remembering,....I knew that 'look' all too well,....he frequently did it when remembering things he'd seen in Nam,....it was the same look. )

 

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  posted on 8/28/2007 at 04:27 PM
Windsinger--you are one gutsy person...all the best wishes for you

 

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I wish you the same.....

 

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  posted on 8/29/2007 at 09:05 AM
Me too....a chance moment in time, with tragic consequences on many levels, many lives.
 
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  posted on 8/31/2007 at 02:28 PM
Thanx guys,....that was sweet and much appreciated.

(I'm not real sure what I 'did' to deserve it,....... like any puppy,...I an't turning down a pat on the head,.....but bravest thing I think I ever did, (honest) was to come here and stick my neck out in Dec. and speak up,.......I sure as heck never expected the way this community took me in,......y'all are the ones who deserve the praise,....I was only a messenger,.....)
Wind

 

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  posted on 9/2/2007 at 12:08 PM
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Have no doubt--none at all.....There is a powerful spiritual force at work among us. I can't explain it, but I know it is a force for good, and I have a role to play in it, as do many of you. So many things like this are playing themselves out, people finding each other, closure, issues resolved. While there is still time. As a Christian, I hope Duane is directly involved, helping. Maybe given a bit more involvement? I can't explain, don't understand. But I don't believe Windsinger's finding us came through a series of random events.



I'm just winding my way through this amazing thread for the first time. I had to stop to gather myself and speak on something that touched me.

I think it truly shows us how connected we are. These random events and how they and we impact each other. I'm not sure how much I believe in the spiritual connection -- at times more than others. But we are all here, and some like Chuck and D were here, and it remind us that it's our boat to sail in together.

 
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