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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 01:38 AM
every Grateful Dead fan have their special show or year they worship..or many years they worship..i dig almost every dead era in their 30 years career..there where some really lazy and weak shows in the mid 80ties and in 94-95..i,ll admit that..but overall the dead was the greatest live band of all time..in my opinion..even better than the allmans..they are second in my opinion but they never came close to the magic garcia and the boys could do on a good night..and there where thousands of good nights..they took the listener to another state of mind and another galaxy.. with songs like dark star,the other one you really could get your mind blown and they would take you on a trip beyond reality,then pigpen in the glory days would bring you back to earth when it was time with a great and grovvy Good lovin or Turn on your lovelight..and they where far better singers than ex the band,allman brothers..i really love greggs voice and dickey etc..and singers like Rick danko,Levon helm etc..maybe they had more techniuqe than Grateful dead sometimes but the 3-part harmony blend of such different voices that Garcia,Lesh and Bobby got really could shine live..Garcias folk and story telling voice,Bobby with more straight forward rock voice and the high clean part of Lesh..In 66-73 that blend was magical for the most part..Many exampel i want all of you that always complain about the dead singers to give a listen are No 1.The EUROPE 72 album..NO.2 AMERICAN BEAUTY 3.DICKS PICKS 8 live from may 70 AND DICKS PICKS 28 from feb-march 73.. truly magical stuff..

I will stop comparing allman and the dead now..everyone has different taste..thats a fact..but to me the dead always hade more range and emotion in their voices and approach to jamming and take the listenter way up high thriugh comsos and back to earth..they where playing blues,folk,psychedelic,rock,jazz etc etc..and the blend of all that stuff made them very uniuqe..they took covers songs like the old jug song Viola lee Blues and made it their own in the classic Dead style..they could to that with dylans songs etc.. as well.. back to the subject..what dead era do you dead fans here love the best??

i have 3 eras that stand above all others..
1.70-73.. the more country and song oriented era with 2 of the best studio albums of all time..American beauty and Workingmans dead..and not to forget the new songs from that era wharf rat,loser,brown eyed woman,jack straw,row jimmy etc etc..the list is long..timeless period and the best for me

2.the acid days though 69
65-69 wow..the haight days,anthem of the sun,live dead etc..Do i need to say more??

3. 1977!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 07:23 AM
anytime they took a break from playing.
 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 07:30 AM
who Cares

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 08:19 AM
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I care and many many others here do as well. THere is always more Dead discussion here than any other band besides The ABB and their family bands obviously.

...It sure as hell beats talking about Kiss or Cinderella which have been recent topics here . Lots of cross over between DeadHeads and PeachHeads and both are clearly the two best live bands EVER over a long period of time...

That being said...my favorite eras are:

'72 to '74 - Just put on any show from 1972 and you'll here why they were the best band on wheels during that time. THey were playing really looong shows back then that touched on every type of music imaginable - Rock, Country, Bluegrass, hints of Jazz and R&B - and played them all with an improvisational precision that was unmatched in that era...

'68 to '69 - Psychedelic music at its finest. The Dead were always ahead of their time and even as kids they could really play with anybody.

'87 to '90 - I LOVE the Brent Mydland era too and I saw MANY shows during that time. Jerry was in very good shape in the late 1980's and it showed in the music. Brent contributed so much and gave the band lots of energy and stage presence. Just listen to a nice version of Row Jimmy, Birdsong or Mississippi Half-Step etc during that time period - just wonderful.

'77 to '78 - Just put on the the famous Cornell University show from 5/8/77 and you'll hear it all...and then some.


Our audience is like people who like licorice. Not everyone likes licorice, but the people who like licorice, really like licorice."

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 08:47 AM
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Me.


And to answer the question, there is no doubt...




 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 09:03 AM
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I care and many many others here do as well.


Way to go Eddie.

Hey now allmansfanfromsweden:

I would say I like the same periods that you do, particularly 1969 as you could literally chart the transition from acid to country in the shows where American Beauty stuff began to appear. 1976 and 1977 have the best Scarlet/Fires.

Basically, I prefer the years before Brett, Vince and Bruce. Nothing against them as they were or are all talented and those were the shows I saw myself. But I like the more trippy Hammond B3 sound. Pig, Tom Constanten and Keith Godchaux were all fantastic.

At the end of the day, we are lucky that there is such an array of shows from so many years. Its not like the Beatles who never did their best stuff live as they stopped touring.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 09:09 AM
the early 70's & some great moments in the 80's when brent was in the band--he was a great singer,wonderful keyboard player,sweet soul--i miss him & jerry very much--peace

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 09:26 AM
I would say anything from 1972 to 1973.

Way to go Eddiep


 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 09:46 AM
Well, one of my favorite shows.........legendary show with the brothers sittin in. My favorite era.........anything with Pigpen and '77

I love this not fade away jam!!

Grateful Dead
6/10/73
RFK Stadium, Washington, DC
4 discs

Order of Performers: Wet Willie, then The Allman Brothers Band, then the Grateful Dead.

Source: SBD
Lineage: S:MR > DAT > CD > EAC > SHN
Extraction and SHN encoding by G.S. Hamilton

Thanks to David Hollister for this beautiful show!!

Disc 1
Set 1
1. Morning Dew 11:18
2. //Beat It On Down The Line 2:14
3. Ramble On Rose 7:44
4. Jack Straw 5:00
5. Wave That Flag 6:04
6. Looks Like Rain 7:38
7. Box Of Rain 5:25
8. They Love Each Other 5:02
9. The Race Is On 3:14
10. Row Jimmy 9:18
11. El Paso 4:22
Total time: 67:25

Disc 2
Set 1, cont.
1. Bird Song 12:05
2. Playing In The Band 17:05
Set 2
3. Eyes Of The World > 21:45
4. Stella Blue 8:10
5. Big River 4:42
Total time: 64:34

Disc 3
Set 2, cont.
1. Here Comes Sunshine 11:01
2. Around and Around 6:09
3. Dark Star > 26:23
4. He's Gone > 13:41
5. Wharf Rat > 8:02
6. Truckin' 7:49
Total time: 73:08

Disc 4
Set 2, cont.
1. Sugar Magnolia 9:59
Set 3
2. It Takes A Lot To Laugh, 8:06
It Takes A Train To Cry*
3. That's Alright Mama* 13:40
4. Promised Land* 4:43
5. Not Fade Away* > 11:27
6. Going Down The Road 9:40
Feeling Bad* >
7. Drums* > 5:54
8. Not Fade Away* > 3:33
9. Johnny B. Goode* 3:16
Total time: 70:21

Comment *with The Allman Brothers Band and Merl Saunders.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 09:52 AM
a real fine show from a super GD period

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 10:00 AM
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But I like the more trippy Hammond B3 sound. Pig, Tom Constanten and Keith Godchaux were all fantastic.



That's cool of course, but as far as Keith goes, he played no B-3 at all - Just grand piano and sometimes electric piano. The Hammond B-3 was basically non-existant during the Keith years. That's why when they decided to make the change in 1979, they picked Brent, who who could do the straight piano thing but was also a KILLER B-3 player. The band said they sorely needed some added colour and sustain of a B-3 at that time, Brent was an obvious choice and ended up to be in the keyboard chair longer than anyone else until his tragic death in 1990....

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 10:04 AM
I also love the 70s era Dead, which brings me to a question. It was a pleasure when they finally released "The Grateful Dead" movie on DVD. Would any of you Dead fans know if there's a complimentary CD of this movie?

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 10:08 AM
67 - 73 and the Brent years

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 10:13 AM
I also loved any Scarlett>Fire where Donna howled, screeched, wailed, and hummed. I love her and she makes me laugh and cringe at the same time.
 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 10:21 AM
I'll usually settle on a '77 show when I want to get my Dead groove on.

And this is a great quote:

"Our audience is like people who like licorice. Not everyone likes licorice, but the people who like licorice, really like licorice."

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 10:24 AM
Anytime with pigpen.IMO the only really good years.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 10:26 AM
If I could only have one Dead album, It would be Europe '72.

I agree with what allmanfanfromsweden said about the singing.

I saw a really lousy show at RFK in early 90's. Not the same band.
Jerry was out of it.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 10:39 AM
johnwott--europe 72 is awesome--also after Brent died it wasn't the same--i guess that's why i stopped going to their shows in th 90's--peace

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 10:48 AM
For me, their peak was from the Europe '72 tour through Blues for Allah.

The three studio albums on Grateful Dead Records after they got back from Europe are SO amazing -- a great, fully realized combination of American roots and country styles, psychedelia, and Beatles-influenced pop (which they actually began to nail on "Candyman" from American Beauty).

I agree with John that Europe '72 is their best single commercial release, but if I could have Wake of the Flood, Mars Hotel and Blues for Allah in there too, I'd be psyched.

 

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johnwott--europe 72 is awesome--also after Brent died it wasn't the same--i guess that's why i stopped going to their shows in th 90's--peace


Yep, I do feel bad for people that got on the bus late and only got see The Dead in the last couple of years in the mid 90's. That would be like someone's only live ABB experience being the early 1980's when the band was a shell of themselves - same thing really. With The Dead, the years between 1992 and the end of the band in 1995 were clearly not on the same level of what we were used to. Jerry was really hurting and the band suffered when Jerry was drifting off. You can make the case that even when Brent died they had a hard time recovering from that as well.



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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 10:59 AM
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I also loved any Scarlett>Fire where Donna howled, screeched, wailed, and hummed. I love her and she makes me laugh and cringe at the same time.


Mulehead13, you are a very forgiving, patient man! LOL...

 

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Yep, I do feel bad for people that got on the bus late and only got see The Dead in the last couple of years in the mid 90's. That would someone's only ABB live experience being the early 1980's when the band was a shell of themselves - same thing really. With The Dead, the years between 1992 and the end of the band in 1995 were clearly not on the same level of what we were used to. Jerry was really hurting and the band suffered when Jerry was drifting off. You can make the case that even when Brent died they had a hard time recovering from that as well.


It's sad to me that a man who was so creative, so generous of spirit, and so talented as Jerry Garcia was, wound up flaming out as badly as he did. I've said it before, but his decline as a musician is to me about the biggest shame in the history of music. At least Jimi went out on top of his game. Garcia kept touring and just deteriorated as a musician and singer to the point where, as John says, they weren't even close to being the same band.


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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 11:06 AM
I love their stuff, 1970- 1978,with a short intermission in between,especially 70-74

 

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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 11:08 AM
Well for me, I love the 67-74 years, 1977 was an awesome year which carried over into 1978 for a short while.
Lately I've been listening to a few 1987-1989 shows and to my surprise they are really good, I've always liked Brent's keyboard work and he seemed to have goos chemisty with Jerry.
I did come to the realization some years back that the Dead are my favorite band with the Brother's right up there.
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  posted on 10/11/2006 at 11:09 AM
Jerry's decline was,indeed, very sad--but he was human & imperfect although there were times in his later years when he would really try to get it together--so sad that it couldn't be--you're correct--if all you saw was ABB in the late 70's-80 then your musical experience would be lacking like seeing the gd in the 90's.

 

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