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  posted on 9/23/2006 at 08:48 AM
I bought me a pair of Bose 901 recently.I am happy with them but went over to a buds house Thursday and was blown away by his system. I think it was a Nenon 300 watt with JBL tower speakers. He told me to check my watts on my receiver. All I am pushing is a Sony Surround Sound 50 watt.

Well now I got to but a new AMP/REC . Anyone have Bose? What are you using. Do you use the equalizer? Most receivers I am looking at has all the surround sound features.

I am looking in the $300 to $500 range.

 
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  posted on 9/23/2006 at 09:20 AM
Warjag,

Never heard of Nenon, perhaps you mean Denon, which makes good equipment. You're friend is wrong about the watts. If an amp has 50 watts RMS per channel if should easily drive your 901s (and I'm betting the 300 watt your friend has, is all channel driven and if it's a surround sound receiver then it's only putting out about 60 watts per side). Your problem is your 50 watt Sony surround sound receiver isn't the best receiver to be driving your 901. For the money you want to spend ($300-500) you need to buy a good two-channel stereo receiver that will give you 80 -100 watts per channel of good MOS-FET power. Anyway both Onkyo and Marantz offer two-channel stereo receivers that should suit your needs. I myself have had an Onkyo 60 watt receiver for several years that I was very happy with, and have only recently upgraded to a 50-watt Jolida tube integrated. Anyway, I have provided a link to Cambridge Soundworks which has some Onkyo and Marantz receivers which should suit your purposes and budget. Good luck and happy listening.

http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/store/category.cgi?category=rec_stereo

[Edited on 9/23/2006 by cleaneduphippy]

 
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  posted on 9/23/2006 at 09:35 AM
Warjag,

Now if you really want to make your 901s and your ears happy, you might want try to find one of these. Jolida JD-1701 Tube Hybrid Integrated Amp. They retail for $575, but it would money well spend.

http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/models/jd1701.shtml

Tube pre-amp, Solid state power all in one package

btw, here's a few reviews.

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/amplifiers/jolida/PRD_115849_1 583crx.aspx

 
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  posted on 9/23/2006 at 09:43 AM
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Warjag,

Never heard of Nenon, perhaps you mean Denon, which makes good equipment. You're friend is wrong about the watts. If an amp has 50 watts RMS per channel if should easily drive your 901s (and I'm betting the 300 watt your friend has, is all channel driven and if it's a surround sound receiver then it's only putting out about 60 watts per side). Your problem is your 50 watt Sony surround sound receiver isn't the best receiver to be driving your 901. For the money you want to spend ($300-500) you need to buy a good two-channel stereo receiver that will give you 80 -100 watts per channel of good MOS-FET power. Anyway both Onkyo and Marantz offer two-channel stereo receivers that should suit your needs. I myself have had an Onkyo 60 watt receiver for several years that I was very happy with, and have only recently upgraded to a 50-watt Jolida tube integrated. Anyway, I have provided a link to Cambridge Soundworks which has some Onkyo and Marantz receivers which should suit your purposes and budget. Good luck and happy listening.

http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/store/category.cgi?category=rec_stereo

[Edited on 9/23/2006 by cleaneduphippy]


Yes it is Denon. Thanks I will look into these receivers The thing with his Denon is the Vines and B & P I have got will not get there even at full volume on mine. But his on my!
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  posted on 9/23/2006 at 10:39 AM
Warjag,

Let me ask you some questions here. First of all, you are using the Bose equalizer? The 901 design requires their use. Also what kind of speaker wire and interconnects are you using with you equipment. With the 901's, depending on how long your speaker wires are, you might want to make sure you're using 12 or 14 gauge speaker wire. They're bigger wire, so they carry more current which any speaker appreciates. Also, you might want to make sure you got a good innerconnect between your amp and source (cd/dvd player). If you're using the cheap IC that come with most equipment than you definely need to upgrade. About the cheapest way to do that, is go to Radio Shack and get the thick black ICs with the Gold Connections. Anyway, when I get the time I'll send you an article that I found about Bose 901s and the things you got to do to make them sound their best.

 
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  posted on 9/24/2006 at 08:12 AM
I am using the Equalizer. I do have the thick wire. I went to Best Buy yesterday. I have 105 watts per channel now.Yamaha HTR5940

Please do send me the article though. It would be a good read. By the way my ears are ringing this morning. I am going to have to be cool.

I have some work to do to figure out the receiver this morning.

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  posted on 9/24/2006 at 10:30 AM
warjag,

Couldn't find the article I was thinking of but did find this review from Stereophile magazine.

http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/425/

In the article it examples the hows and whys of the Bose 901s and what it can and can't do. It's a good and accurate review, although at points, there is negativity.

One thing this article makes clear about the 901s is the importance of room placement, and indeed the sound of the room itself. You get a good sounding room, the 901s can be "sweethearts", if you have a bad sounding room, well, good luck on trying to making them sound good. I've heard 901s in difference systems, and sometimes they sounded real good, and sometimes not so good. And the bottom line to this, was how they were set up in the room (and generally you need a medium to large room to make them sound their best, truth is, it's hard to get a good sound out of 901s in a small room). You basically got to get the direct/reflecting balance "right". In that regards, the 901s can sometimes be a PITA in finding their "sweet spot".

Also, the 901s are particular about what's "upstream" from them. You definitely need an amp/receiver that has a good pre-amp, and at least 50-100 watts of good, clean power (MOS-FET or Tubes). Also, it's important that your CD/DVD player be a cut above what's normally found in Circuit City or Best Buys.

Basically, it all comes down to "synergy". You basically want all your components at the same level of performance, and working well together.

[Edited on 9/24/2006 by cleaneduphippy]

 
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  posted on 9/24/2006 at 12:50 PM
warjag,

Don't take this wrong, but do yourself a favor and take the Yamaha back. I guessing you paid $250 - 300 for it. And what you bought is a six channel Home Theater amp with a bunch of bell and whistles on it, and the truth be told, what you bought is not very good, Oh sure, it'll get loud and dynamic, and that's great for movie sound effects, but for music it's not so good. You definitely need amp/receiver who's main design is to reproduce music. Do yourself a favor and buy something DECENT, and that will sound good. And for your price range ($300-500) and the fact you want to drive the 901s, you're looking at 2-CHANNEL STEREO. Your friend has a Denon, and Denon makes several Stereo (2 Channel) receivers in your price range. And like the Onkyo and Marantz that I mentioned earlier, these are some good sounding receivers. Anyway, here's a link to the Denon site.

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/AMFMStereoReceivers.asp

Also, recommend is the NAD 320BEE Integrated Amp. It's a nice little 50 watt unit that's gotten excellent reviews. Indeed NAD has gotten a good reputation for making good sounding equipment for a reasonable price.

http://www.stereophile.com/artdudleylistening/885/index1.html

Truth is, unless you got at least $3000 +, then you're better off and will get more enjoyment with a "good sounding" two channel system, then you will with a "so-so" 5.1 system. Quite a number of people nowadays, have two system, one the 5.1 system for when they watch movies and two, a good sounding "two channel" system for listening to music. IMHO, this whole HT thing is more about marketing than anything else. Now can HT sound good, of course it can, but like anything else, you can't do it on the cheap.

One more thing, don't buy into the "it's the WATTS" argument. There's much more that goes into a good sounding system than how many watt you're amp put out. My 50 watt tube Jolida for instance, sounds better and can get louder, than many amps that are rated much higher in wattage. Basically, the "WATTS" argument is for the "two digit" crowd that works Circuit City and Best Buys and the customers that don't know any better.

Best advice I can give you here, is that when buying audio equipment, stay out of Circuit City and Best Buys. Their audio equipment is usually the lower end of the consumer market, and you're better off finding a dealers like Tweeters, or in my "neck of the woods" Audio Buys or Myer-Emco, that sells better quality audio equipment, such as Denon or NAD or Marantz.

btw, here's another site that might be helpful.

http://www.audioreview.com/REVIEWscrx.aspx

Basically you can look up various equipment and see what other people such as yourself think about them.


 
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  posted on 9/25/2006 at 04:43 AM
warjag,

Here's the another good article about the 901s. Basically it talks about having the right equalizer for the particular series of 901s that you have.

http://www.epinions.com/content_4691894404

 
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