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  posted on 7/14/2020 at 08:05 AM
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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.


Biden gets the Democratic nod pretty much based on name recognition and the fact that the primaries were decided before many voters (including this one) ever had a freakin' say. Fix this system ASAP!

Name recognition: you roll into a small town and you're hungry. Several "mom and pop" cafes, but you pull into the Golden Arches because you KNOW what they serve. Any of the "mom and pop"s probably have better and more nutritious food, but you'd never know because they're not advertised on big media.

I honestly believe that Joe got the votes before people had the chance to see him in his current condition. There were some good candidates in that field of Democrats who were shot down before their planes left the hangars.

I hope that the Democrats haven't succeeded doing what they did in 2016 - finding the ONLY candidate who can lose to Donald Trump.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2020 at 08:07 AM
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The whole discussion of Biden's supposed disadvantage in a debate is plain dumb. The premise of which is that because Trump is more willing to be shameless TV smart-ass in a venue where you only have to stay on topic for 90 seconds at a time, Trump will "wipe the floor" with Biden. Is this really an indicator of who should be making decisions that have true bearing on the lives of millions of people?


100%. Debates are relics. They don't belong in a 24/7 media environment when there's nothing we don't know about the candidates. The question is how to get rid of them.


I've said it before: the debates are the closest thing we've got to job interviews for these guys. I don't worry that much about Joe because Trump will very likely have his own melt-down during one of these events.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2020 at 08:22 AM
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100%. Debates are relics. They don't belong in a 24/7 media environment when there's nothing we don't know about the candidates. The question is how to get rid of them.

They are theater, and really weren't a thing until the TV age. Kennedy-Nixon were the first and the next debates weren't for another 16 years.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2020 at 08:55 AM
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Biden gets the Democratic nod pretty much based on name recognition and the fact that the primaries were decided before many voters (including this one) ever had a freakin' say. Fix this system ASAP!

Agree. It becomes a popularity contest since the majority of Senators and Reps aren't known outside of their state. Because campaigns are expensive, candidates drop out before half of the states have voted in the primary. The primaries should all be held on the same day, later in the year.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2020 at 08:56 AM
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They are theater, and really weren't a thing until the TV age.

They're not even theatre anymore. JFK/Nixon was a novelty. Now, it seems like we've been having debates for 18 months already (watching the primaries to me is a waste of time - we'll never see 1/2 those people again).

I don't consider them job interviews because Trump blabs every day & won't answer a direct question & Biden was VP for 8 years. What else do we need to know? I truly think anything either one of them says is complete fantasy since we're headed backward w/Covid19. CNN headline this morning "AMERICA SHUTS DOWN AGAIN."

 

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  posted on 7/14/2020 at 09:53 AM
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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.


Biden gets the Democratic nod pretty much based on name recognition and the fact that the primaries were decided before many voters (including this one) ever had a freakin' say. Fix this system ASAP!

Name recognition: you roll into a small town and you're hungry. Several "mom and pop" cafes, but you pull into the Golden Arches because you KNOW what they serve. Any of the "mom and pop"s probably have better and more nutritious food, but you'd never know because they're not advertised on big media.

I honestly believe that Joe got the votes before people had the chance to see him in his current condition. There were some good candidates in that field of Democrats who were shot down before their planes left the hangars.

I hope that the Democrats haven't succeeded doing what they did in 2016 - finding the ONLY candidate who can lose to Donald Trump.


The point is Joe won the nomination given the way the process currently exists. It is what it is, and until the process is tweaked, we accept the results. I think Joe's a reasonably good candidate and hopefully will defeat the traitor that sits in the WH. I also think Bernie or several of the other candidates would also defeat Trump, and I would have voted for all of them. We hitch our horse to someone who knows gov't, won't ABUSE his authority, puts America ahead of himself and ahead of Putin, does not mock the disabled, is not a racist, follows scientific experts, etc., and we hope for the best. The important thing is to vote.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2020 at 10:02 AM
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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.


And how many states and what % of voters were able to participate in this process?

 

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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.

And how many states and what % of voters were able to participate in this process?

Was "earlier primary voters" not clear enough for you? It was still decided by voters, not "leadership", as you believe for some reason.

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I do however feel that if he is the best the Democratic leadership can present, well, say no more.

A little civics lesson for you - early Primary voters selected Biden.

And how many states and what % of voters were able to participate in this process?

Was "earlier primary voters" not clear enough for you? It was still decided by voters, not "leadership", as you believe for some reason.


"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

 

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?

 

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?



^ It doesn't get more factual / black & white than this. Some people are just always looking for an argument regardless of facts.

 

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

NO they did not.

"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.

 

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Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

As I clearly just told you. That does not mean "leadership" made the decision, Some voters did.

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"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.

False. Most candidates had dropped out by the first week of March, making Biden the presumptive nominee. At that time 25 primaries had taken place. No primaries had been delayed at that time.

Sanders dropped out in early April, the only March primaries that had been delayed were NY, Kentucky, and Louisiana. 30 primaries had taken place by the time Sanders dropped out, and Biden had a comfortable lead.

 

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

NO they did not.

"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.


So NOW you think that the winner of an election should be the one who gets the most votes? Interesting

 

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Primary elections have been around for about 100 years. Prior to that, nominees were chosen solely by delegates at conventions. They are much more democratic now. Late-voting states rarely have much input with or without a pandemic happening. The two parties’ primary systems are basically the same.

There really is no Left or Right about it. Not sure why this is something to rage about right now.

 

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

NO they did not.

"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.


So NOW you think that the winner of an election should be the one who gets the most votes? Interesting


In a statewide primary election, where people are choosing a candidate to be the Representative of their party for office of the President?

Yes.

 

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

NO they did not.

"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.


So NOW you think that the winner of an election should be the one who gets the most votes? Interesting


In a statewide primary election, where people are choosing a candidate to be the Representative of their party for office of the President?

Yes.


Just not in the actual election for president - got it.

 

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"Early primary voters"..Wrong. 16 States have either "postponed" their primaries or have rescheduled them to coincide with other Statewide elections, meaning that not everyone has been able to participate in the voting process..

Now tell us again how voters and not "leadership" decide this?

EXCATLY! Voters in the earliest primaries cast their ballots and Biden being ahead and campaigns being expensive, other candidates dropped out before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots. Most candidates dropped out prior to later primaries getting delayed. So, early primary voters, not the DNC. Capisce?


Did EVERYONE get to vote?...Did everyone get to CHOOSE Joe Biden?...Or is he the candidate by default?...Did people get a chance to WRITE-IN a Candidate?

NO they did not.

"before voters in other states were able to cast their ballots."

This was decided by COVID, Not the voting populace.


So NOW you think that the winner of an election should be the one who gets the most votes? Interesting


In a statewide primary election, where people are choosing a candidate to be the Representative of their party for office of the President?

Yes.


Just not in the actual election for president - got it.


The Electoral College assures that not only do people in "Fly over states" have a say in a National election but they also won't be governed by the masses in N.Y. and California.

I like it.

 

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This idea that Biden is hiding at home because of some sort of cognitive decline is hilarious.

Why is Biden laying low, letting Trump be Trump?

Politics 101.

"When a man is self-destructing, let him."

 

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The Electoral College assures that not only do people in "Fly over states" have a say in a National election but they also won't be governed by the masses in N.Y. and California.

Can you explain why you believe NY and California would dominate a popular election today?

Texas and Florida both have larger populations than the state of NY. Of the top 20 most populous cities, 6 of them are in Texas. Wouldn't the more even dispersal of population density across the country guarantee candidates would have to travel to more places than just 4 or 5 swings states?

 

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Should each citizen’s vote have the same weight whether they live in “masses” or not? If Republicans did not need the E. C. to stay relevant, and it discounted their voters, they would hate it.
 

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Should each citizen’s vote have the same weight whether they live in “masses” or not? If Republicans did not need the E. C. to stay relevant, and it discounted their voters, they would hate it.


It is important for Big V and the Republicans to decide who's vote matters more. Apparently your vote is supposed to matter more if you live in a rural area.

 

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Should each citizen’s vote have the same weight whether they live in “masses” or not? If Republicans did not need the E. C. to stay relevant, and it discounted their voters, they would hate it.


It is important for Big V and the Republicans to decide who's vote matters more. Apparently your vote is supposed to matter more if you live in a rural area.


Wow...so pigs and cows are voting in these rural areas, but Trump insists that millions of illegals voted in his election. No wonder he lost the popular vote. More pigs & cows would offset the illegal vote - think about that.

 

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Wow...so pigs and cows are voting in these rural areas,


Now now hold your horses there Big Thunder - let's keep it civil and polite. Yes many Redhats are morbidly obese and woefully ignorant, but they are men and women after all. Stooping to low gutter-French style insults like "pigs and cows" is dehumanizing and can only lead to more quarrels.


Ooops...sorry bro rabbit. Didn't meant to insult farm animals.

 

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Wow...so pigs and cows are voting in these rural areas,


Now now hold your horses there Big Thunder - let's keep it civil and polite. Yes many Redhats are morbidly obese and woefully ignorant, but they are men and women after all. Stooping to low gutter-French style insults like "pigs and cows" is dehumanizing and can only lead to more quarrels.


Ooops...sorry bro rabbit. Didn't meant to insult farm animals.


Many of those rural areas don't even have farms. It's just land. So it's kind of like how the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5th of a person. In the Republicans' mind, empty land should count as an extra 3/5 more than a city dweller.

Now, that only counts when it is to the Republicans' advantage. Remember when Trump thought Romney won the popular vote but lost the EC to Obama? Yeah, Trump was calling for a revolution to abolish the EC then.

 
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