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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 05:16 PM
"When I Came Down":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHPlCs4l3Aw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid =IwAR0ZuYgrM89QNTwmETZht_KkNTz-QEzoVMW1k3ZspuGmAx6IlWdD0wZAJCg


One comment reads: This was recorded in Sept 69 at the same time they recorded "Evil Woman" and "A Song for Jim." All details are in the book "How Black is your Sabbath"

 
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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 05:18 PM
Nice live jam here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=602NgjH7vuU

Comment: "this is an early live rendition of what became the end section of "Symptoms of the Universe"off 1975 "Sabotage Album". Actually recorded at the Ontario Motor Speedway, Ontario, California,U.S.A.On 6th April 1974.A little improvised section as part of Sabra Cadabra.Like Zeppelin and Purple (the later at this gig)The Sabs would often Jam pieces of songs in a live situation and the ones that worked they would include on future Album's !Ozzy was, and still is great at improvising lyrics and melody lines to Tony's guitar and some of their greatest songs were done this way.This is a fine recording straight from the mixing desk"

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 05:27 PM
This is a blues played live ( is it Earth or Black Sabbath? Same band, name change) in 1969 - "Early One Morning."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nBd1HiWneo

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 05:30 PM
Earth (pre-Sabbath): "The Rebel"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5s7bvCRZXA

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 06:06 PM
Like "When I Came Down" a lot. The guitar riff or hook is real cool. Takes me back to late 1960's when psyidelic rock and the hippie thing and the long hair and clothes were so fresh.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2020 at 05:33 PM
Yeah, Blackey, it's funny that while we tend to think of Black Sabbath as this monolithic mega-metal force, which admittedly they did become, their early stuff is much more clearly indebted to Cream and Ten Years After.
 

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  posted on 6/28/2020 at 07:59 AM
Black Sabbath is one of my favorite bands and they have said there is quite a bit of unreleased material from the 1970's. Probably will never get released but I did read something positive the other day in a interview with Ozzy, he said Bill Ward called him.

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  posted on 6/28/2020 at 11:24 AM
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Black Sabbath is one of my favorite bands and they have said there is quite a bit of unreleased material from the 1970's. Probably will never get released but I did read something positive the other day in a interview with Ozzy, he said Bill Ward called him.

[Edited on 6/28/2020 by fender31]


where did you hear that about the material? i've heard that there is very little studio material out there thats unreleased . most of what they had was from the first few albums and was released already.

 

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Black Sabbath is one of my favorite bands and they have said there is quite a bit of unreleased material from the 1970's. Probably will never get released but I did read something positive the other day in a interview with Ozzy, he said Bill Ward called him.

[Edited on 6/28/2020 by fender31]


where did you hear that about the material? i've heard that there is very little studio material out there thats unreleased . most of what they had was from the first few albums and was released already.


Bill Ward stated it in a interview before...

 

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  posted on 6/28/2020 at 09:46 PM
I am with Matt here. They have hit what they had and their was a reason the tunes were left off originally.

Bill may have been referring to live stuff. Wouldn't hold your breath on that either.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2020 at 09:51 PM
Sabbath did what Zepp did: re-released their catalogue with bonus tracks etc.

The re-releases did not offer much.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2020 at 10:17 PM
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Black Sabbath is one of my favorite bands and they have said there is quite a bit of unreleased material from the 1970's. Probably will never get released but I did read something positive the other day in a interview with Ozzy, he said Bill Ward called him.

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where did you hear that about the material? i've heard that there is very little studio material out there thats unreleased . most of what they had was from the first few albums and was released already.


Bill Ward stated it in a interview before...


did he list anything specific? the 3 sabbath albums that they've released with bonus material from the ozzy era the non live stuff that was included someone had found on some reels that were in a dumpster or something.

the dio era and mid 80's deluxe sets had some input from tony and still very little extra studio material

 

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  posted on 6/28/2020 at 10:19 PM
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I am with Matt here. They have hit what they had and their was a reason the tunes were left off originally.

Bill may have been referring to live stuff. Wouldn't hold your breath on that either.


there are several pre self titled songs as shown in this thread but the band seems to deem anything prior to the name change to sabbath as something they don't want to look at releasing . i think there are 6-7 songs

 

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  posted on 6/29/2020 at 07:52 PM
It doesn't matter which band it is - people want some long lost Holy Grail song. But if the song was any good - it would not have gotten cut from whatever album it was.

Bands and Labels did not say " Hey that is an amazing song. Bury it - it is too good for ears."

At best they are interesting.

 

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  posted on 6/29/2020 at 08:42 PM
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It doesn't matter which band it is - people want some long lost Holy Grail song. But if the song was any good - it would not have gotten cut from whatever album it was.

Bands and Labels did not say " Hey that is an amazing song. Bury it - it is too good for ears."

At best they are interesting.


from what i gather from tony and ozzy they are like zeppelin and alice cooper. so much touring that they rarely left good ideas unfinished. look at the led zeppelin deluxe sets. alice cooper has stated they were more throw aways from his time as a solo artist than when it was a band because the band was touring non stop. alice cooper has had 2 big boxsets and was dedicated to just the band and look what we got. not counting the stuff recorded as the spiders and the nazz we've gotten
call it evil
tornado warning (desperado with early lyrics)
respect for the sleepers (muscle of love with early lyrics)


everything else is a demo of an already released song or a studio version of a song played live

 

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  posted on 6/30/2020 at 04:27 PM
There are a few artists whose outtakes offer real gold.

Bob Dylan is certainly one. He left arguably his best song in the past 40 years - "Blind Willie McTell" - off his "Infidels" album, and it took years to come out on "The Bootleg Series." At that, many of us prefer the version with Mick Taylor playing slide, which remains an unreleased outtake.

Prince is another artist who is so prolific that he has tons of unreleased material; he is not on my radar, so I cannot vouch for its quality.

As a fan, I relish the outtakes and B-sides from the Who and the Stones. I'm glad that some of that stuff has surfaced in one form or another. "Naked Eye" by the Who and "Through the Lonely Nights" by the Stones are two of my favorite songs by those artists. I'll add "Child of the Moon," "Relay," and "Let's See Action" to the list.

 

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There are a few artists whose outtakes offer real gold.

Bob Dylan is certainly one. He left arguably his best song in the past 40 years - "Blind Willie McTell" - off his "Infidels" album, and it took years to come out on "The Bootleg Series." At that, many of us prefer the version with Mick Taylor playing slide, which remains an unreleased outtake.

Prince is another artist who is so prolific that he has tons of unreleased material; he is not on my radar, so I cannot vouch for its quality.

As a fan, I relish the outtakes and B-sides from the Who and the Stones. I'm glad that some of that stuff has surfaced in one form or another. "Naked Eye" by the Who and "Through the Lonely Nights" by the Stones are two of my favorite songs by those artists. I'll add "Child of the Moon," "Relay," and "Let's See Action" to the list.



yes by there is documented proof that prince, dylan, springsteen, the stones, etc were prolific artists. bootlegs and studio logs show that. nothing floating out there showing sabbath or the alice cooper band were prolific. one of the best best alice cooper sites sick things uk has stated there are 8 known outtakes from the WB era. the titles were all listed. after they finally were officially released they were just already released tunes with different lyrics

 

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  posted on 7/5/2020 at 10:19 AM
Not saying that they shouldn't be released. Just saying that there is a reason that these out takes were left off albums. Then they were not even used on the next album either. With a couple of exceptions, it means the songs were weaker.

While you may like Naked Eye which is obviously cool. It definitely will not replace and of The Who's standards in peoples' minds.

Artists like Prince, recorded so much - doesn't make it good or worthy of release. But they will milk it for eternity if they can.

Hendrix - same thing. All Jimi'sa best stuff - he released. Much of the releases since his death, he would not have released had he not died. At least not in the form that we got them.

 

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  posted on 7/5/2020 at 10:37 AM
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Not saying that they shouldn't be released. Just saying that there is a reason that these out takes were left off albums. Then they were not even used on the next album either. With a couple of exceptions, it means the songs were weaker.

While you may like Naked Eye which is obviously cool. It definitely will not replace and of The Who's standards in peoples' minds.

Artists like Prince, recorded so much - doesn't make it good or worthy of release. But they will milk it for eternity if they can.

Hendrix - same thing. All Jimi'sa best stuff - he released. Much of the releases since his death, he would not have released had he not died. At least not in the form that we got them.


i somewhat agree with this. usually artists picked their best material for the albums. thats why zeppelin and alice cooper don't have a bunch of stuff sitting around. if an idea seemed weak they stopped working on it. alice does after being a solo artist but he stated this was due to professional songwriters submitting sings they wanted him to demo. i think just in the epic era there are 13 known unreleased tunes probably in no more than demo form. thats for 3 album sessions. from 1970-1974 the alice cooper group released 5 albums and only had at max 10 leftover tunes.


prince, neil young and springsteen i don't know if i truly agree with that. they are all 3 artists who wrote so much no way they could get it all released at the time is was written no matter how great the song is. they've all released tons of vault material now and some of them are my favorite songs they ever released. sings or entire albums were shelved due to labels not liking them or songs not fitting a theme the artist was going for at the time. i love homegrown and hitchhiker by neil young. yes a lot of the songs were used on later albums in different versions. heck prince, young and springsteen seemed to use at least 1 old tune for every album from 1990-present and they are usually a great song

 

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  posted on 7/5/2020 at 11:15 PM
Prince has something like 50 f'n albums. Tons of **** material in all of that. Like Zappa who would release things that he knew no one would buy.

Neil Young aside from an abandoned album has never matched his early stuff and songs brought up later - would not have bumped other tunes of his classic albums.

Springsteen has been done since Born In The USA. Released lots of mediocre stuff. If you like it - enjoy but in no way does anything after that even come close to his original batch of albums.

Steve Earle did the same. Got out of jail and released I Feel Alright and El Corozon which are right up there with Copperhead Road - then he released a slew of political tunes that just don't come close. Not every song written should be released.

But again - I feel that if there is demand - release stuff.

The truth is that many of the classic bands waited too long including the ABB. Physical sales are next to nothing now and they won't get even hits in the digital world to make a buck.

And then they come up with a plan to only sell a Duane era show in one place in Macon. LOL - Don't think they want us to hear it.

But 10 to 20 years ago was the gravy train. Some bands figured it out like Deep Purple - many didn't.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2020 at 10:34 AM
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Prince has something like 50 f'n albums. Tons of **** material in all of that. Like Zappa who would release things that he knew no one would buy.

Neil Young aside from an abandoned album has never matched his early stuff and songs brought up later - would not have bumped other tunes of his classic albums.

Springsteen has been done since Born In The USA. Released lots of mediocre stuff. If you like it - enjoy but in no way does anything after that even come close to his original batch of albums.

Steve Earle did the same. Got out of jail and released I Feel Alright and El Corozon which are right up there with Copperhead Road - then he released a slew of political tunes that just don't come close. Not every song written should be released.

But again - I feel that if there is demand - release stuff.

The truth is that many of the classic bands waited too long including the ABB. Physical sales are next to nothing now and they won't get even hits in the digital world to make a buck.

And then they come up with a plan to only sell a Duane era show in one place in Macon. LOL - Don't think they want us to hear it.

But 10 to 20 years ago was the gravy train. Some bands figured it out like Deep Purple - many didn't.



i mean yes if you are releasing 1 album per year for 30+ years the chances of you releasing junk are pretty high. no argument there.

look at neil young though. hitchhiker and homegrown are great albums. everyone is waiting for chrome dreams, dume, oceanside-countryside, toast, the original old ways, and like 2-3 other entire unreleased albums.

springsteen left off thundercrack, the promise, hearts of stone, where the bands are, my love will not let you down, dollhouse, the fever, etc off of albums. amazing songs.


prince left crystal ball, rave un2 the joy fantastic, dream factory, possessed, wonderful ass, moonbeam levels, and many more great tunes off of albums.


sure theres garbage in the vaults. theres garbage on albums they officially released especially prince after 1997, bruce after 1990 and neil young after 1995 but there is still brilliant stuff sitting in the vaults,

 
 


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