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Author: Subject: Warren Haynes Op-Ed: "A Change is Gonna Come- Yes It Will"

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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 03:21 PM
Warren Haynes recently wrote an op-ed for Newsweek magazine that is really inspirational:

https://www.newsweek.com/change-gonna-comeoh-yes-it-will-opinion-1512882

The article also includes a playlist of great songs by great African-American artists.

I was thinking about putting this in the Whipping Post section, but since a lot of us on here don't read that section, I thought I'd put it here for all to read and contemplate. Hope that's OK...

[Edited on 6/25/2020 by peachlovingman]

[Edited on 6/25/2020 by peachlovingman]

 
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  posted on 6/25/2020 at 11:23 PM
^ Neat piece, and list , . timely.
 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 06:18 AM
That was a nice article. Warren is such a class act.

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 06:30 AM
Yes all the artists that got into the blues, ABB, Clapton etc, their heros were black players. And jazz and big band in the 1930's the same.

Buddy Rich, on with Johnny Carson, years ago said the best drummer he ever saw was Chick Webb and his Chick Webb band up in Harlem in New York City was the best. That Benny Goodman admitted that.

https://youtu.be/YMsFkfb6jRg

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 11:29 AM
Very thoughtful and well written piece by Warren.

I first saw the alert for this piece on a Relix email blast. I was stunned, literally floored, and disgusted at all the hateful, racist remarks made in the comments section below the short article, which basically summarized Warren's piece into a couple paragraphs. Doubt many of these internet tough guys even read the whole thing, many personally attacking Warren.

And this was on a site for music enjoyed by heads, supposedly.

Really shameful and a complete distraction from the positive messaging and vibes Warren was putting out. WTF?


 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 12:43 PM
Yes Warren or anyone shouldn't be treated like that. I don't agree with all this viloence and destroying private property. The owner of the Empire State Building was complaining about damage there and rising gun viloence and calls for deminishing the ability of the New York City police department and calls to reimagining policing in New York. That is left wing horse s*** that is going to get a lot of people killed.

They are supposed to topple the Lincoln and the freed slave statue in Washington, D. C. where Fredrick Douglas himself spoke at the dedication in the 1870's.

I admired Martin Luther King and heard him speak in Washington in 1967 or 8. Dr. King would NOT participate in any of this. Dr. King wouldn't throw one brick or spray paint on one statue. Apparently Dr. King's approach is too timid.

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 01:01 PM
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Yes Warren or anyone shouldn't be treated like that. I don't agree with all this viloence and destroying private property. The owner of the Empire State Building was complaining about damage there and rising gun viloence and calls for deminishing the ability of the New York City police department and calls to reimagining policing in New York. That is left wing horse s*** that is going to get a lot of people killed.

They are supposed to topple the Lincoln and the freed slave statue in Washington, D. C. where Fredrick Douglas himself spoke at the dedication in the 1870's.

I admired Martin Luther King and heard him speak in Washington in 1967 or 8. Dr. King would NOT participate in any of this. Dr. King wouldn't throw one brick or spray paint on one statue. Apparently Dr. King's approach is too timid.


It sounds like youíre blaming terrible comments on warrens article, on left wing protesters?

 

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  posted on 6/26/2020 at 02:15 PM
Pdouble. No I would guess those were right wing. Left wing or right wing is nothing but trouble.

The guys protesting with Confederate flags behind the Talladega speedway were right wing and these rioters attacking police officers, destroying private property, getting up in the morning and watching the news on a flat screen TV they stole from Target and ripping down statues are left wing. Far left wing and far right wing. Both sides are extremists and ready for violence and lawlessness.

Dr. King wouldn't be involved in any of this left or right anymore than Billy Graham or Pope Francis would or Warren Haynes. Is there anyone who has ever been in the Allman Brothers attack someone for standing for the national anthem or because they carry a badge like Joe Friday or over a damn statue??? The people on the far right want white supremacy and the far left wing wants socialism and the right to control speech, art, politics etc.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2020 at 01:28 AM
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Yes Warren or anyone shouldn't be treated like that. I don't agree with all this viloence and destroying private property. The owner of the Empire State Building was complaining about damage there and rising gun viloence and calls for deminishing the ability of the New York City police department and calls to reimagining policing in New York. That is left wing horse s*** that is going to get a lot of people killed.

They are supposed to topple the Lincoln and the freed slave statue in Washington, D. C. where Fredrick Douglas himself spoke at the dedication in the 1870's.

I admired Martin Luther King and heard him speak in Washington in 1967 or 8. Dr. King would NOT participate in any of this. Dr. King wouldn't throw one brick or spray paint on one statue. Apparently Dr. King's approach is too timid.


This is not new, MLK clashed with some of his peers who thought peaceful resistance was failing to spark any real change, MLK even disagreed with the methods of some of the sit in perpetrators. Yes he was a fantastic man whoís contributions can not be overstated but he was not and is not the end all be all of the Civil Rights movement. Thatís all I will say about politics on an anything goes thread.
This post does belong here since it is musical in nature, there are plenty of flaming threads on the WP to have this statue debate.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2020 at 06:19 AM
MLK was right, Warren Haynes was right and the people who wanted violence in the 1960's were wrong.

How does smashing out ground floor windows and spray painting the Empire State Building and smashing windows and LOOTING the nearby Macy's Department Store do anything to advance a better relationship between African Americans and the police? There is only ONE WAY to slice it. It is lawless crime. Anthony Malkin President and CEO of the Empire State Building is right when he said "This is nothing but criminal activity. Organized Crime".

How does defunding the New York City Police Department going to keep people and property safe in New York? Reimagining policing?? We can think these gangbangers are going to keep the peace. Mayor de Blasio is ruining New York City.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2020 at 10:39 AM
"In fact, it's a bit ironic that all true forms of American music throughout our history (up until the birth of hip-hop) came out of the South".
This is not true.
Appalachian Traditional Music is where American Bluegrass and American Country Music came from.
The Appalachian Mountains go from Maine to Georgia.
Rioters who burn out small business owners are not "freedom fighters".
Selective use of history to promote a specific politic agenda is a dangerous path to walk.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2020 at 10:51 AM
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MLK was right, Warren Haynes was right and the people who wanted violence in the 1960's were wrong.

How does smashing out ground floor windows and spray painting the Empire State Building and smashing windows and LOOTING the nearby Macy's Department Store do anything to advance a better relationship between African Americans and the police? There is only ONE WAY to slice it. It is lawless crime. Anthony Malkin President and CEO of the Empire State Building is right when he said "This is nothing but criminal activity. Organized Crime".

How does defunding the New York City Police Department going to keep people and property safe in New York? Reimagining policing?? We can think these gangbangers are going to keep the peace. Mayor de Blasio is ruining New York City.


Gangbangers?

Itís the bloods and crips?

 

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  posted on 6/27/2020 at 12:10 PM
on target and very haunting


Geeshie Wiley - Last Kind Words

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKfy2W70Qg

 

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  posted on 6/27/2020 at 12:34 PM
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on target and very haunting


Geeshie Wiley - Last Kind Words

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKfy2W70Qg

"The last kind words I heared my daddy say
Lord, the last kind words I heared my daddy say

If I die, if I die in the German war
I want you to send my body, send it to my mother, lord

If I get killed, if I get killed, please don't bury my soul
I p'fer just leave me out, let the buzzards eat me whole

When you see me comin' look 'cross the rich man's field
If I don't bring you flour I'll bring you bolted meal

(instrumental)

I went to the depot, I looked up at the stars
Cried, some train don't come, there'll be some walkin' done

My mama told me, just before she died
Lord, precious daughter, don't you be so wild

The Mississippi river, you know it's deep and wide
I can stand right here, see my babe from the other side

What you do to me baby it never gets outta me
I may not see you after I cross the deep blue sea"

 

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  posted on 6/27/2020 at 03:04 PM
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They are supposed to topple the Lincoln and the freed slave statue in Washington, D. C. where Fredrick Douglas himself spoke at the dedication in the 1870's.

Douglass criticized the statue itself for the same reason people are criticizing it today, and it's been controversial for 140+ years for the same exact reason. I don't know what should be done with it, but if you're going to mention Douglass, you should probably know where he stood.

I also wouldn't invoke MLK to condemn people who loot or riot since the man himself wouldn't have said anything so lacking in nuance. https://time.com/3838515/baltimore-riots-language-unheard-quote/

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"In fact, it's a bit ironic that all true forms of American music throughout our history (up until the birth of hip-hop) came out of the South".
This is not true.
Appalachian Traditional Music is where American Bluegrass and American Country Music came from.
The Appalachian Mountains go from Maine to Georgia.

Warren grew up listening to that music, so I'm going to say he knows what he's talking about.

[Edited on 6/27/2020 by Marley]

 

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  posted on 6/27/2020 at 04:32 PM
"IN the 1763 Treaty of Paris the French gave up their American land rights to the English, causing the start of a larger expansion through and into the Appalachians from 1775 through 1850. The population explosion in Ireland (from four million in 1780 to seven million in 1821), coupled with a lifting of travel restrictions from that country, increased immigration to the US. Most of the Scots-Irish coming to Pennsylvania came as indentured servants. When their terms of service were over they found local land too expensive and so went south into the mountains. It is generally perceived that this 'lower' class of immigrant resulted in the 'poor white trash' or 'hillbillies' of Deliverance fame, although the truth is that to survive in the Southern Mountains you needed to be resourceful, healthy, and knowledgeable.

By 1790 any good land was taken or too expensive for most. Still, communities were settled rather late; at the time of the Civil War (1860s) most settlements did not average more than three generations back. All this tended to produce communities that were isolated geographically and unstable, at least compared with the higher degree of order, law, and precedent found on the Eastern Seaboard. Frontier life was rigorous and a struggle; people needed to rely upon each other, and anything social, including religion, was highly important, producing a generally deeply religious population. Musical traditions from home were important links to the past and were cherished and passed down to the next generation.


TRADITIONAL Appalachian music is mostly based upon anglo-celtic folk ballads and instrumental dance tunes. "
https://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/appalach.htm

 

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  posted on 6/28/2020 at 08:53 AM
Back to the OP
GREAT piece by Warren. As he and Derek have pointed out, what the ABB did when they did it was amazing. Other guys like Benny Goodman who hired Lionel Hampton were too. Dave Brubeck said it killed him when he came back from the war. In the service he played in racially mixed bands, he couldnít when they got home. We live in a Sick country where this is still an issue
The play list was great too, worth a listen if you havenít.

 
 


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