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Author: Subject: Valid I.D. to vote?..Yes or No?

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  posted on 6/23/2020 at 09:06 PM
Straightforward question.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 08:03 AM
yes

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 08:11 AM
I consider myself an independent voter. I'm fed up with both major parties. Hard for me to name a politician that I even respect - much less one that I love.

Having said this, I'll relate an instance that I once saw.

Years ago, I was scheduled for an out of town biz trip on a presidential election day. I went through the procedure to get an early absentee ballot. There was no provision to mail in the vote. I had to go to a polling place and pull levers in the booth.

While there, I could not help but notice a group of activists bringing van loads of people in to vote. Voter ID? A piece of mail - preferably a utility bill was all that was required. Many of these voters could've passed for alley winos. Just an observation on my part (fire away).

It is quite possible that all of this was on the up and up. But it started the wheels rolling in my brain: if I knew exactly who was in the hospital, retirement homes or bedridden - I could snatch a telephone bill from their mailbox and steal their vote!

It leads to a discussion about voter theft and fraud - which always leads to a bunch of defenders decrying that if such theft DID exist, it would be on such a small scale that no difference in the outcome could be achieved. And they're probably correct.

My own opinion is that my vote is one of the most powerful tools that I own (I can tell myself this!). If buying an airline ticket or cashing a check requires showing a picture ID - why shouldn't voting? So, personally I have no qualms with requiring an ID to vote. I know - I'm an @$$hole.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 08:34 AM
I'm fine with some form of verification, but there should be a broad range of acceptable forms. A utility bill should still be acceptable as proof of residency and no one is stealing electric bills or bank statements - I get mine in my email. If you vote by mail, you don't need to show an ID. More people are doing that these days anyways, it keeps lines to a minimum at the polls.

Voting should be easy and accessible, ID laws should not be narrow. In 2016 my wife was actually turned away at the polls here in FL, she still had a NY state DL even though she had her FL voter registration on hand. She had a second form that was listed as acceptable (just in case) but the poll clerk denied it on some arbitrary technicality. A NY license is good enough to get on a plane, but not vote. We had to go home and get her passport and a piece of mail. How many people just don't bother to go back? That's the issue, not proving you are you, but that it shouldn't be more difficult than getting on a plane.

[Edited on 6/24/2020 by porkchopbob]

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 09:43 AM
A utility bill?

Picture i.d., yes.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 10:46 AM
Oregon's fine with voting by mail. May be more an issue where you live, or swing states. Votng by mail is a real blessing for folks like me for whom getting out for simple errands is sometimes impossible. I am sure a lot of other shut-ins feel the same.
 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 11:14 AM
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I could not help but notice a group of activists bringing van loads of people in to vote. Voter ID? A piece of mail - preferably a utility bill was all that was required. Many of these voters could've passed for alley winos.


They most likely were alley winos. Homeless advocacy organizations help folks with registering and transport to the polls. Alley winos have as much a right to vote as craft beer afficionados in nice condos.

A quick glance at this homeless assistance site offers a better explanation than vanloads of dirty infiltrators:

https://nationalhomeless.org/campaigns/voting/

I think these are excellent efforts, I can personally sympathize as someone who can't get to the polls myself.

[Edited on 6/24/2020 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 11:52 AM
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I could not help but notice a group of activists bringing van loads of people in to vote. Voter ID? A piece of mail - preferably a utility bill was all that was required. Many of these voters could've passed for alley winos.


They most likely were alley winos. Homeless advocacy organizations help folks with registering and transport to the polls. Alley winos have as much a right to vote as craft beer afficionados in nice condos.

A quick glance at this homeless assistance site offers a better explanation than vanloads of dirty infiltrators:

https://nationalhomeless.org/campaigns/voting/

As most always, you are 100% correct. Everybody deserves a voice and a ride to the polls - even alley winos with sketchy identification who never bother to update their voter credentials. You are absolutely correct.

[Edited on 6/24/2020 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 12:01 PM
I'm sure there are many articles to be found to explain why a picture ID is easy to get if you live in a suburban area like I do. It is much different for elderly, poor, and minorities in many states. Alabama is a prime example - closing DMV offices in minority areas and making it almost impossible to get to the closest office 60 miles away during limited hours. Also, the requirements for these id's require things like birth certificates, which for many poor and elderly may be hard to find or get, and costs money.

In Illinois, some areas have early voting for about 3 weeks before an election. As a retiree, I take full advantage of this. You must show an ID for early voting. You must also sign the book at the polling place, and they check your signature against the one they have on file. My township has an early voting site, very convenient. If you wait until election day to vote, you vote at your precinct, and no ID is required, but you do have to provide a signature that is checked.

If it were easy and fair for everybody to get an ID, I'd be all for it. Unfortunately, that is still not the case everywhere in the country, and other types of voter suppression (see Wisconsin and Kentucky, for example) seem to always happen in the poor and minority areas.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 12:29 PM
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. . . alley winos with sketchy identification who never bother to update their voter credentials.


The homeless advocacy groups who transport folks to the polls help them get current with registration. They don't just cruise the bridges and look behind dumpsters, pile em into vans, hand them all stolen utility bills and say go for it and a twenty $ blll bonus if you vote Democrat.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 12:37 PM
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. . . alley winos with sketchy identification who never bother to update their voter credentials.


The homeless advocacy groups who transport folks to the polls help them get current with registration. They don't just cruise the bridges and look behind dumpsters, pile em into vans, hand them all stolen utility bills and say go for it and a twenty $ blll bonus if you vote Democrat.


$20 bills to vote Democrat? Who said anything like that?

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 12:43 PM
^ It was just a reference to voter fraud paranoia - I said it, nobody else. We might as well get used to vans full of homeless voters, their numbers are growing exponentially, many fine folks whose incomes are shot.
 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 12:54 PM
How about we simply do automatic voter registration when you turn 18 via the social security system and the voter provides or verifies the number when at the polling site or when voting with an absentee ballot?

Your SS number is after all a form of ID...One the govít and your township and/or polling site already has.....

This automatic registration should NOT include party affiliation initially but may be changed later by the voter....It's one way to simplify voting and weaken the power of political parties.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 12:57 PM
I'm sure this was an acceptable tactic to round up voters no matter who they cast their ballot for.

You'd never know it (I certainly wouldn't), but I guess I've led a sheltered life. Utility bills for identification ... I'm sorry, but this is where it starts to sound sketchy. FYI - you can get a photo ID - basically a DL with a "non-driver" stamp on it - at "satellite courthouses" located out in the boonies in most every state. Takes about the same effort to get to one of these places as it does to get to a polling place. My mom had one of these - as does my 82 year-old aunt right now.

Lastly, I didn't mean to come off sounding insensitive to those without transportation. It's what I get for going essay on a yes/no question.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 01:06 PM
Essay on Rusty! Way better dialogue than Archie Bunker one liners and pitbull knotted rope lockjaw arguments and interrogation tactics.

What I would like to hear ideas on is how come it is always conservatives firing up the voter fraud angle?

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 01:12 PM
Wait a few, it'll get there...
 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 01:25 PM
Is the WP down to how many now? We are getting to be like the Supreme Court of HTW now.
 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 01:32 PM
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Is the WP down to how many now? We are getting to be like the Supreme Court of HTW now.

with or without Boynton Bro's alter-egos?

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 01:49 PM
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Utility bills for identification ... I'm sorry, but this is where it starts to sound sketchy.


Agreed. Can I show my utility bill to a Police officer when I am pulled over for a traffic violation?

How about when I am cashing my paycheck?

Can I get a drug prescription refilled with this?

Shall I go on?

 

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Is the WP down to how many now? We are getting to be like the Supreme Court of HTW now.

with or without Boynton Bro's alter-egos?


Counting those? We'd be like the Senate.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 03:20 PM
sounds like a no brainer

but some states find a way to make it hard for minorities and elderly to vote
before my mom died, she probably did not have a valid drivers license, so, depending on how easy or difficult it was to get some sort of non driving photo ID she may not have been able to vote

Vote by mail should be allowed - what is the ID form for that?

voter suppresion in the US is a real thing.

not a simple question.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 04:53 PM
Who cares? Voting is for liberal sheeple!

ZIEG TRUMP


 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 05:43 PM
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sounds like a no brainer

but some states find a way to make it hard for minorities and elderly to vote
before my mom died, she probably did not have a valid drivers license, so, depending on how easy or difficult it was to get some sort of non driving photo ID she may not have been able to vote

Vote by mail should be allowed - what is the ID form for that?

voter suppresion in the US is a real thing.

not a simple question.


Fair enough. But the question remains.."If you can get to the Polling Booth, can you not find a way to get to the DMV & The Post Office"?

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 06:38 PM
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sounds like a no brainer

but some states find a way to make it hard for minorities and elderly to vote
before my mom died, she probably did not have a valid drivers license, so, depending on how easy or difficult it was to get some sort of non driving photo ID she may not have been able to vote

Vote by mail should be allowed - what is the ID form for that?

voter suppresion in the US is a real thing.

not a simple question.


Fair enough. But the question remains.."If you can get to the Polling Booth, can you not find a way to get to the DMV & The Post Office"?
Voting in the USA should be easy, mail in ballots should be expanded, especially in the time of a pandemic. republicans and especially trump dont want it to be easy for black, Brown, Poor or Elderly to vote, because they [republicans] would be out of a job.

[Edited on 6/25/2020 by pops42]

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 07:01 PM
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sounds like a no brainer

but some states find a way to make it hard for minorities and elderly to vote
before my mom died, she probably did not have a valid drivers license, so, depending on how easy or difficult it was to get some sort of non driving photo ID she may not have been able to vote

Vote by mail should be allowed - what is the ID form for that?

voter suppresion in the US is a real thing.

not a simple question.
.

Fair enough. But the question remains.."If you can get to the Polling Booth, can you not find a way to get to the DMV & The Post Office"?


The US Mail Service still will pick up, as well as deliver to the same home mailbox, this solves the problem for countless thousands of house bound old folks to still participate?...........joe

 
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