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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 02:45 PM
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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 07:41 AM
That was fun to watch pops42. When I think of Warren and Woody being in the band, I imagine Gregg, Dickey. Butch and Jaimoe being much older than they were in the original band but they are still relatively young men here.

I listened to that Jimmy Carter show from Providence in 1975 a couple of nights ago. With all due respect to Johnny Neel, the difference between him and Chuck Leavell is just striking. Like comparing Liberace to Gregg Allman.

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 08:13 AM
Johnny Neel is a great keyboard player, but he fits more of a Col Bruce-type band than the Allman Brothers. His sensibilities are less melodic, more out there which didn't fit the Brothers' more traditional approach on pieces like "Liz Reed" or "Jessica". Johnny should play what he wants to play, but you also have to know the temperature of the room - you can't rewrite the piano solo on "Jessica". Just not the right fit, and it turns out this lineup didn't need another keyboard player full-time, their sound was plenty full.

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 10:23 AM
Yeah I agree with that. I saw the Dickey Betts Band Pattern Disruptive tour. Two shows I think and it was Dickey, Waren, Matt on drums and Johnny on keys and harmonica and that band was hot and tight.

So I understand why Dickey chose him for the ABB when Chuck decided to stay as a sideman for the Rolling Stones. But in Gr022eggs book, Johnny wasn't liked by Gregg who felt strongly he shouldn't be in the ABB. Butch Trucks had a similar view. So when Warren, Allen and Johnny's contracts expired in 1990, they only renewed Warren and Allen. I imagine Warren was disappointed as he and Johnny were close friends before they joined Dickey's band in 1988


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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 10:42 AM
that dickey lick at 9 - 9:60 is just killer. he started that in 73, but this added a new little flair to it. not sure how he does that. anyone???

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 10:52 AM
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Yeah I agree with that. I saw the Dickey Betts Band Pattern Disruptive tour. Two shows I think and it was Dickey, Waren, Matt on drums and Johnny on keys and harmonica and that band was hot and tight.

So I understand why Dickey chose him for the ABB when Chuck decided to stay as a sideman for the Rolling Stones. But in Gr022eggs book, Johnny wasn't liked by Gregg who felt strongly he shouldn't be in the ABB. Butch Trucks had a similar view. So when Warren, Allen and Johnny's contracts expired in 1990, they only renewed Warren and Allen. I imagine Warren was disappointed as he and Johnny were close friends before they joined Dickey's band in 1988


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Here's a Johnny story from 2018 https://www.facebook.com/johnnyneel/posts/i-guess-there-are-some-rumors-out -there-that-i-almost-died-on-the-southern-rock-/1465002753625177/

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 10:56 AM
Super cool ---- who's #%@! do you have to suck to get into that room?

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 12:44 PM
Interesting, was Chuck invited to rejoin the band but chose to remain with the Stones? It was never clear to me if he felt welcomed back or not. I always loved what he added to the band, but confess to have missed the two guitar approach when he joined.
 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 01:05 PM
Yes I remember reading in 1989 that Chuck was asked and said not if the Toler Brothers were part of it. Dickey is said to have told Chuck that Jaimoe and Butch we're on drums and Warren Haynes is on slide and Lead. But after considering it Chuck decided to keep his gig with the Rolling Stones.

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 03:19 PM
Without pulling out the Midnight Riders book, which covered the 1989 reunion in detail, this is how I remember it went down. Chuck was interested and glad Warren was who they intended to ask to be second guitarist, but Chuck then was not invited to Dickey's place in FL to plan/discuss the reunion and felt left out.

Chuck had been out on tour with the Stones for the 1982 European tour but, they had not toured in 7 years by 1989. The Stones had released albums in 1983 and 1986 and Chuck played some on both (not positive how many tracks), but they didn't tour those records. Many thought the Stones were done. Mick & Keith had success with solo albums (Chuck played on a couple tracks on Mick's first one in 1985, but not the 1987 follow up; he also played on a track on Keith's Talk is Cheap).....so Chuck didn't know if he had worked with the Stones for the last time.

While the ABB were planning their 1989 tour to almost certainly include Chuck, Keith called Chuck to go on the road with them. It was the only guaranteed offer and it was the Stones. Hard to pass up. He's been basically a steady employee since their 1994 Steel Wheels tour. Anything on their calendar the last 20 years trumps anything he has.

I had always wished it had worked out for Chuck to be a part of the 1989 reunion & beyond, but it's worked out pretty amazing for him since.

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 03:32 PM
Yes Chuck has. But I clearly, without spending time to find the quote, remember reading Chuck saying that he would consider rejoining the Allman Brothers if the Toler Brothers were not in it. And Dickey told him they would not, that Warren Haynes is the other lead guitar so Dickey wouldn't have to play slide and Jaimoe was on drums with Butch.

Whether Chuck was formally asked to join...maybe not. But just recently some here also remembered reports that Chuck was asked. And he decided to continue to work for the Stones as a side man.

Also Mick Taylor's stories about the Stones is inline with Chuck not knowing whether the band was even still together. Taylor said they went years without calling him, touring or recording. So he quit. Then suddenly Jagger called saying they would be recording at a certain date and Taylor said he had moved on and Jagger got pissed at him but they are friendly when they see each other now.

I think I remember once after a long inactive stretch Keith Richard even said to a reporter who asked that he wasn't sure the band was still together.

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 03:59 PM
I didn't disagree on whether he had been asked (I believe he had) nor the Toler part of what you said (I said he was happy Warren was being asked)

He wasn't really continuing with the Stones in 1989 as he was not doing anything with them (and hadn't really ever for more than just a couple short things and it was years before). Most assumed they were broken up or no longer a touring band.

The Mick Taylor comparison doesn't make as much sense since the Stones were a busy active band between 1969-1974 with Taylor as an official member. He recorded with them in 1974 and left the band the same year. Not saying that were great at communicating with him or that they didn't take some breaks, but that's much different than Chuck from 1982-1989 and the Stones.

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 07:52 PM
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Yes Chuck has. But I clearly, without spending time to find the quote, remember reading Chuck saying that he would consider rejoining the Allman Brothers if the Toler Brothers were not in it. And Dickey told him they would not, that Warren Haynes is the other lead guitar so Dickey wouldn't have to play slide and Jaimoe was on drums with Butch.

Whether Chuck was formally asked to join...maybe not. But just recently some here also remembered reports that Chuck was asked. And he decided to continue to work for the Stones as a side man.

Also Mick Taylor's stories about the Stones is inline with Chuck not knowing whether the band was even still together. Taylor said they went years without calling him, touring or recording. So he quit. Then suddenly Jagger called saying they would be recording at a certain date and Taylor said he had moved on and Jagger got pissed at him but they are friendly when they see each other now.

I think I remember once after a long inactive stretch Keith Richard even said to a reporter who asked that he wasn't sure the band was still together.

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mick taylor has a bad memory then as the stones toured ever year he was a member and released an album every year too until he quit

 

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  posted on 6/19/2020 at 08:51 AM
Yes Mike Taylor must have a bad memory. But that is what Taylor said. Wasn't sure the band was still together when he quit.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2020 at 12:39 PM
I'm the biggest Mick Taylor fan in the world. But I do believe he quit the stones just weeks before the 1975 tour ("Only Rock and Roll") was to begin.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2020 at 01:07 PM
Mick quit for the same reason Bill Wyman did, they both had a hand in writing classic songs but recieved no credit/ money.
 

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  posted on 6/19/2020 at 03:21 PM
Yep remember reading Taylor was pissed when a certain album came out and felt he should have been credited on a few songs but it was all Jagger, Richards.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2020 at 03:28 PM
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Yep remember reading Taylor was pissed when a certain album came out and felt he should have been credited on a few songs but it was all Jagger, Richards.
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  posted on 6/19/2020 at 03:41 PM
Mick Taylor quit the Stones in December 1974. They were actually ready to record and some of those Dec '74 recordings (without Taylor) appeared on Black & Blue released in 1976.

Their Tour of Americas was planned after his departure and began June 1975. Ron Wood was billed as playing with them for that tour and then made an official RS member December 1975.

Some worthless music trivia for your Friday afternoon....

 

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  posted on 6/20/2020 at 11:17 PM
LOL - I love this site. A video of the ABB turns into a debate about Chuck and into Mick Taylor and Bill Wyman.

On the video - when I first saw that years ago I said the same thing - "Did someone film it all that day? That would be a cool release - Behind The Scenes packaged with something else.


Chuck was being paid all along by The Stones. Free to do his thing but if they say "Tomorrow" then it is tomorrow. Leaving that would be crazy and I doubt he ever gave it much thought. Perhaps worked around it but...it didn't happen

Although it was sad as Woody had died but the Tour that Chuck did with Govt Mule following Woody's passing was unbelievable. I was close enough to Chuck in Boston that I could have played his low notes for him. Amazing to watch him so close all night.

Bill Wyman and Charlie got screwed but even more so Bill. Imagine Sympathy For The Devil minus the bass line.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2020 at 02:39 PM
Hey! Aint that a young Twinkle at 12:00??
 

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  posted on 6/22/2020 at 02:56 PM
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On the video - when I first saw that years ago I said the same thing - "Did someone film it all that day? That would be a cool release - Behind The Scenes packaged with something else.

There's definitely more material.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYWT_xnDNOc

I recall a VH1 promo that used footage from these rehearsals. Plus, some of the footage was used for the "statesboro blues" music video from the Dreams boxed set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUgk_Tsee6s

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 12:04 PM
Thanks Pops

 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 12:44 PM
So sweet to hear Warren sliding away on "Statesboro." Does he always play in standard?
 

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  posted on 6/24/2020 at 01:52 PM
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So sweet to hear Warren sliding away on "Statesboro." Does he always play in standard?


I've only ever heard Warren play slide in standard tuning. In a recent Andy Aledort interview he stated it was because Dickey didn't want to wait for anyone to switch guitars.

 

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