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  posted on 6/14/2020 at 07:14 AM
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I have no doubt that many cops are too quick to go over the top with aggression and violence. But WHY are they summoned so quickly for trivial matters? A guy asleep in his car in the drive-thru? Why couldn't the manager on duty have walked over, tapped on the driver's side window and asked, #1) "Are you alright?" and then #2) ask him to pull his car over into a parking place until he's finished with his nap?

Same thing with George Floyd's (now missing?) counterfeit Jackson. Could the proprietor not have "counseled" the customer - and then call someone who knows how to identify bogus currency?

So, we're looking at $millions of dollars in damages to buildings and structures, hundreds (thousands) arrested and injured ... over a grand total of about $20.01 in imaginary offenses.

Is this/was this worth it?

 

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  posted on 6/14/2020 at 09:13 AM
You raise an excellent point that doesn't lead directly to #Defund the Police but should at least lead to asking what's the goal here?

In lighter times, a man passed out in his car in the drive-thru lane might've been handled differently. I don't think a $7-8/hr window worker at Wendy's should be the one to address the driver. Apparently, there was no on-site private security. So, the police were called & they killed a man. In lighter times, they might've said "hey man, pull up, park, get an uber, go home." No. They immediately went to DUI/arrest. He resisted, grabbed, a taser & ran. Where exactly was he running while drunk? In Georgia, a taser isn't classified as a lethal weapon yet the cops responded w/deadly force. Another black man is dead at the hands of 2 overzealous cops. The Police Chief resigned. Angry protests ensued.

Counterfeit bills were being passed in the neighborhood stores where George Floyd paid for cigarettes. Someone believed it to be counterfeit & called the police & 4 white officers (2 w/a combined 23+ excessive force complaints plus a 4-day rookie) responded. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've seen people in front of me in a check-out line have a bill checked for authenticity. If it's questionable, the customer is asked to pay another way or see a manager. No one calls the police. Presumably, if a counterfeit ring was being properly investigated by the police, store owners would have a procedure in place that would feed info to the investigators w/o calling the cops on every person who passed a bill.

Common sense seems to have disappeared from the American psyche. The police are getting the spotlight as in both these 2 horrific incidents), but mistakes were made all along the chain of events. Checkout staff are considered essential during this pandemic & they're risking their health & that of their families every time they go to work. They should at least get basic support from their employers beyond a mask & hand sanitizer and the police should respond according to the call reported.


 

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  posted on 6/14/2020 at 09:57 AM
Excellent, excellent posts!!! Covered a lot of very critical points in simple terms that are easy to understand! I ran across this article on how one of America's most poverty stricken and violent cities, Camden, NJ, was able to make some real headway in addressing these problems and reduced major crime by up to 40%. Defunding police forces does not mean having no cops, it means rebuilding and restructuring police forces to reflect the needs of our communities, another real good article here, a little lengthy..............stay safe............joe

From CNN: Opinion: How a new kind of policing saved America's most dangerous city
Opinion: How a new kind of policing saved America's most dangerous city

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/opinions/police-camden-minneapolis-george-fl oyd-milgram/index.html

[Edited on 6/14/2020 by crazyjoe]

[Edited on 6/14/2020 by crazyjoe]

 

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  posted on 6/14/2020 at 10:00 AM
MADD would get mad.

ZERO TOLERANCE

or

Call him an Uber

Hmmmmm

And what's up with 40 mins of questioning this guy for falling asleep in his car?

 

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  posted on 6/14/2020 at 11:27 AM
I would bet 10-1 that the majority of Your rank and file Atlanta Police Officer doesn't give 2 sh!ts about the Police Chief being forced to resign, why? Well, shes a woman..........joe
 

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  posted on 6/14/2020 at 12:01 PM
The Atlanta Police Chief had a 20 year career w/APD coming up the ranks thru patrol, vice, IA, narcotics & plainclothes & had to have been tough being openly gay. She'd been chief for just 3.5 years. She resigned as chief voluntarily w/in one hour of the shooting. It was a smart move to get out of the cluster ASAP if for no reason other than showing that Atlanta is responding quickly. During Floyd protests, she'd walked among the crowds to listen so she's definitely making all the right moves. The shooter was actually fired. A quick response should do something to quell the immediate anger of the city, but this is national. It's got to stop.


 

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  posted on 6/14/2020 at 04:29 PM
Glad to see none of the usual suspects are posting the "he should have complied" crap.

They had his car and his identity.

Could have easily let him run and catch him later.

Zero need to shoot him in the back like a chickensh!t.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 09:26 AM
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Zero need to shoot him in the back like a chickensh!t.

AND from the video I saw, Wendy's was still open w/cars in line. He fired three shots w/o concern for other civilians just buying a meal. I don't think there's a police dept anywhere in the country where shooting around innocent bystanders is protocol.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 11:18 AM
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It's a terrible tragedy all around. That victim did not pose a threat to anyone at all, so there's no reason it should've escalated to anywhere near that point. If those officers were that afraid, that nervous, and panicked that much, they clearly should never have been hired as cops. If local governments are struggling to find quality recruits, then they better get their spending priorities straight. Enough is enough. I just hope we all try to understand the greater problem, and not take the easy way out by calling them "racist thug cops", because it's a much more complicated issue than that. Despite that, they should be charged and banned from being cops ever again, even if they get a not-guilty verdict. They don't have what it takes.


I agree completely.

The cop who murdered Tamir Rice was hired by another police department.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 06:42 PM
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It's a terrible tragedy all around. That victim did not pose a threat to anyone at all, so there's no reason it should've escalated to anywhere near that point. If those officers were that afraid, that nervous, and panicked that much, they clearly should never have been hired as cops. If local governments are struggling to find quality recruits, then they better get their spending priorities straight. Enough is enough. I just hope we all try to understand the greater problem, and not take the easy way out by calling them "racist thug cops", because it's a much more complicated issue than that. Despite that, they should be charged and banned from being cops ever again, even if they get a not-guilty verdict. They don't have what it takes.


I agree completely.

The cop who murdered Tamir Rice was hired by another police department.


I see what you did there, Ron.

Had me worried for a second.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 10:31 PM
^ A mole ! I knew it ! @cyclone this is what I meant when I said I knew who he was - I didnt know exactly who but more what he was up to. Now that was some slick WP shenanigans gotta say.
 

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  posted on 6/16/2020 at 08:02 AM
Here's another thought. The Police "BUSINESS".

You've seen the radar cops on motorcycles and cars near the end of the month. Posted speed limits - ignored all month long until that final week of the month. The cities/municipalities need REVENUE!

So, there's a guy sleeping it off in his car in a fast food parking lot (NOT in the drive-thru line as I had read?). He should've been COMMENDED for not driving in Atlanta traffic while intoxicated. He even requested that he be allowed to walk a couple of blocks to his (sister's?) house but was denied that opportunity.

Why? Because in Atlanta (Georgia, Alabama, Florida and Texas especially) a DUI conviction usually costs somewhere in the vicinity of $10,000 (even more). Too many municipalities use traffic citations as a major source of revenue raising. I'm wondering if these cops (who looked like last week's Boy Scouts in action) actually called the situation in - considered giving the guy a break - but were told to bring him in anyway.

On the counter-side (please read before flaming) - I just can't help but wonder why this guy decided at the last second to resist. NO! This act of resistance did not merit the outcome! I'm thinking that a judge would have dismissed the DUI charge once he/she understood that the guy was actually ASLEEP in a PARKED car. The guy had been very compliant up to that point - including using "yes, sir - no, sir" language. I honestly believe that he was worthy of some slack in this situation.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2020 at 09:44 AM
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Here's another thought. The Police "BUSINESS".

I agree that this was not a DUI case. The Wendy's employee who called 911 told the dispatcher the man was asleep, she'd been unable to rouse him, believed him to be intoxicated not sick, he appeared unarmed, & she need assistance in getting the car moved from blocking part of the drive-thru. She was asked for a description of the car & the man's RACE. Two WHITE officers were dispatched.

As you said, Mr. Brooks got out of his car, described the events of the evening, was polite, estimated having 1.5 drinks, voluntarily took a breathalyzer, & stood & spoke w/the officers for 30 minutes repeatedly saying he'd been to a birthday party & wanted to go home to sleep; he was tired. Suddenly, cuffs were slapped on him as one officer said "you've had too much to drink to drive." Hell, yeah, he'd be surprised. He was threatened to be tasered & we've seen the rest.

This was not a DUI case. He wasn't driving. He was parked on private property. The request was to move the car. Based on the body cams released, the officers didn't call to ask if he should be brought in; it was their decision to escalate.

 

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^ A mole ! I knew it ! @cyclone this is what I meant when I said I knew who he was - I didnt know exactly who but more what he was up to. Now that was some slick WP shenanigans gotta say.

He's still a troll. I don't believe for a second he's a Choate/Harvard boy from Greenwich speeding along in his SLC having fun w/this particular forum out of all the forums on the internet. Slick? Gotta disagree. I'm sticking w/your original term creepy.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2020 at 02:33 PM
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Iíve been fooling around a lot lately with the pro Trump Tom foolery, but this topic is close to my heart and a real problem for our country right now. Iím from an upper class suburb, privileged to attend top schools and universities, and as clean cut as you can get, and Iíve been harassed and ridiculed by cops as I lay cuffed on the ground with my back against a brick wall. Years earlier I was pulled over and told there was a warrant out for my arrest (a clerical error falsely reported I had not paid a ticket, but found the paid ticket the following day). When I asked why, the 22-year old cop put his hand on his gun and started yelling for me to step out of the car.

If they donít hesitate to do this to someone that looks like me, I cannot imagine the pain and suffering these poor black people must go through every day of their entire lives. How incredibly frightening. Itís hard to believe that some people on this board are calling these poor protesters hypocrites, for having to fight for this year after year after year after year after year, even during a dangerous pandemic. What a terrible position they are in every single day of their lives. To ridicule these people is a sign of a severe defective personality.


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  posted on 6/16/2020 at 03:41 PM
agree that it shouldn't have gotten that far

interesting POV here

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/06/16/georgia-sheriff-on-rayshard-brooks -killing-intv-keilar-nr-vpx.cnn

 

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  posted on 6/16/2020 at 03:56 PM
^ Good case
 

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agree that it shouldn't have gotten that far

interesting POV here

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/06/16/georgia-sheriff-on-rayshard-brooks -killing-intv-keilar-nr-vpx.cnn

I get where he is going, but it seems like deadly force was justified with an "if". As the man says, "if a chicken had lips, it could whistle"

This case is in a grey area because he refused arrest, was inebriated, and fired a taser at officers. So "if" the taser hit one of the officers, then the suspect "could have" taken another weapon from the officer.

But he didn't. He did fire a weapon at the cops, a weapon he easily took from the officer (which is probably reason enough to fire the officer) but is a taser a deadly weapon? Can't it only be fired once if it doesn't hit a target? There were two officers there, what is the latitude for how potentially preventative deadly force can be? Brooks made a terrible decision to resist and run, but we expect officers to have more level heads in the heat of the moment. At that moment, was he a deadly threat? Could he have become one during further pursuit? We'll never know.

 

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He did fire a weapon at the cops, a weapon he easily took from the officer (which is probably reason enough to fire the officer) but is a taser a deadly weapon?

I'm repeating myself from earlier posts in this thread, but in GA, a taser is not considered a lethal weapon. The officers were never threatened w/lethal force that required response w/shooting him 3 times in a Wendy's parking lot where civilians were in their cars driving next to them. Cops are trained to never shoot to put a bystander in danger. Where the hell did they think a drunk man was going to go except in circles around the parking lot where there was a line of civilians in cars?

I also said earlier Brooks' decision to run wasn't a surprise. The bodycams released show a 30 minute conversation where Brooks took a breathalyzer, was polite, cooperative & kept repeating that he just wanted to go home to sleep. BAM. The cuffs go on. I'd be shocked, too.

In the 911 tapes from the Wendy's caller, she specifically said the man was asleep, inebriated, unarmed, not hurt, & all she needed was someone to move the car. She was asked the race of the man. This doesn't even rise to a DUI charge.




 

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agree that it shouldn't have gotten that far

interesting POV here

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/06/16/georgia-sheriff-on-rayshard-brooks -killing-intv-keilar-nr-vpx.cnn

I get where he is going, but it seems like deadly force was justified with an "if". As the man says, "if a chicken had lips, it could whistle"

This case is in a grey area because he refused arrest, was inebriated, and fired a taser at officers. So "if" the taser hit one of the officers, then the suspect "could have" taken another weapon from the officer.

But he didn't. He did fire a weapon at the cops, a weapon he easily took from the officer (which is probably reason enough to fire the officer) but is a taser a deadly weapon? Can't it only be fired once if it doesn't hit a target? There were two officers there, what is the latitude for how potentially preventative deadly force can be? Brooks made a terrible decision to resist and run, but we expect officers to have more level heads in the heat of the moment. At that moment, was he a deadly threat? Could he have become one during further pursuit? We'll never know.


I agree with your assessment. Excessive violence wasn't needed here.

There are going to be cases where individuals need to be brought under control. I've got several stories - believe me. I posted somewhere earlier that some countries use different methods including "safety nets". I've read a little about tranquilizer bullets/darts using Ketamine. Think of sedating one of those Lion Kings cats. The drawbacks are that the effects aren't immediate and that some will have reactions - maybe even fatal reactions.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2020 at 05:41 PM
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Brooks made a terrible decision to resist and run, but we expect officers to have more level heads in the heat of the moment. At that moment, was he a deadly threat? Could he have become one during further pursuit? We'll never know.


Absolutely to the core of the issue. The guess is he blew a level into the breathalyzer that indicated he was above the legal limit. Guilty of driving under the influence and he would still be among the living had he just submitted to the arrest. But shooting him in the back? C'mon man...

 

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  posted on 6/16/2020 at 05:55 PM
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Obviously, crime has existed as long as people have walked this Earth, so to suggest itís the core of a current day issue is pretty dull. Unjustified panic, a sad display of fighting ability, severely poor judgment, low quality talent, and firing a bullet into the manís core, from behind, is the core.


You haven't changed a bit, commenting on my every post.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2020 at 08:52 PM
I guarantee you there are moments where I would have been blown away by cops for sneezing, let alone doing what this guy did. Every time, I ended up walking away because I hadn't done anything wrong. But I had the sense to freeze when that shotgun was digging into my back.
 

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^ The shotgun at my back time they came up behind me, I was at a pay phone in Arizona. Then it was "Freeze. Now Hang up the phone slowly and turn around, If you so much as sneeze you are a dead man." Then they searched me and tore up my truck. That was my welcome to Flagstsff Arizona, where I lived for the next 20 years.
 

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Zero need to shoot him in the back like a chickensh!t.

AND from the video I saw, Wendy's was still open w/cars in line. He fired three shots w/o concern for other civilians just buying a meal. I don't think there's a police dept anywhere in the country where shooting around innocent bystanders is protocol.


The killer cop has been charged w/felony murder & other charges, including one for the 3rd bullet that went into a car driven by a civilian "endangering the passengers inside." Felony murder carries the death penalty, life w/o parole, or just life.

The other cop, who still hasn't been fired, flipped & will be appearing as a prosecution witness & has 3 charges.

These 2 are supposed to turn themselves in by Thursday.

Atlanta moved a lot faster than Minneapolis in bringing charges.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/rayshard-brooks-atlanta-shooting-wednesda y/index.html

 
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