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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 02:55 PM
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Some moron set the National Civil War Naval Museum in Columbus, Ga. on fire destroying a sh*tload of history. Where is the line drawn as to where history is deemed offensive?

Can't answer that question, but for all we know it was the name Columbus that triggered the arson.

There was a time when even elementary students knew that museums preserved & protected the art & artifacts of a culture. It was a safe place where scholars & curious citizens came to enjoy or learn or expand their points of view. I don't think people recognize that now. People see a buzz word - Confederate - & charge ahead w/o consideration or deliberation.

This thread focuses on statues of no intrinsic value that were deliberately placed in high visibility locations to remind blacks of their subservient position to white men. Evidence provided by those who erected them note that there is nothing honorable about them; their purpose is purely intimidation.

Some of those statutes - like the ones in Atlanta - are already in cemeteries for Confederate soldiers and/or have plans to be removed to museums where they'll serve an educational purpose.

Apparently, the most valuable pieces in the naval collection weren't affected. There's a reward for information leading to the arsonist who caused damage to the outbuilding of the museum & 2 ships.

https://www.wrbl.com/news/crime/reward-being-offered-in-arson-case-at-natio nal-civil-war-naval-museum/


 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 03:48 PM
A statue of an abolitionist was defaced and jerked down too. Some of these people just want to burn and destroy anything. Why burn down the Wendy's in Atlanta were Mr. Brooks was shot and killed by Atlanta police? Now 36 people don't have a job because their restaurant was destroyed. Atlanta Police is trying to identify the arsonists and arrest them. The people destroying these statues need to be arrested too. In Virginia the Governor is having them removed by professionals safely. A protester was seriously injured by a statue being toppled. They are heavy.

Check Wikipedia to see how many things are named for Robert E. Lee in this country. I was astonished. In Virginia there is Washington and Lee University. Named for George Washington originally and Lee's name was added in the 1800's.

Columbus, Georgia going to change its name? Columbus, Ohio?, Columbia, South Carolina?, Washington, District of Columbia?, British Columbia?, Columbia River?, Columbia Pictures?, Columbia University?, CBS Columbia Broadcasting System.

NONE of these will be changed. Columbus Circle in Manhattan and the big statue of Christopher Columbus in the middle isn't going anywhere!!! New York mayor Bill de Blasio was open to removing it and changing the name of the circle which was erected by New York Italians in 1892 on the 400th anniversary of Columbus's voyage. But city Italians hit the ceiling. De Blasio was uninvited to their annual Manhattan parade and informed they would no longer support him. De Blasio and Governor Cuomo agreed Columbus is going nowhere in New York City. The Italian's won't stand for it. De Blasio was prodded to remove Columbus by some Latian American people but the Italian people yelled louder and that was that. Columbus Circle isn't going anywhere. Columbus was financed by Spain but was an Italian as you know.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 03:57 PM
"Once you carve it in stone, it is written forever"
- Constantine the Great

Well, I made that up. But you get the point.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 04:04 PM
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Some of these people just want to burn and destroy anything. Why burn down the Wendy's in Atlanta were Mr. Brooks was shot and killed by Atlanta police? Now 36 people don't have a job because their restaurant was destroyed.

I understand the frustration re the monuments, but it is dangerous. As one person in England said - "enough debate; time for action." When 4 monuments were beheaded in Portsmouth VA last weekend, a falling piece of the monument hit a bystander who is in critical condition in the hospital w/a head injury. The next day, the mayor of the neighboring city Norfolk had crews out at 7 am removing their monument. Statutes in both Louisville & DeKalb were/are being removed ASAP for public safety reasons.

Some of these statues are enormous which is why I include height & weight where it's available. The one in Dallas was 65 feet tall!!!!!

There are more than 700 of these statues throughout the US w/only 3 states w/none - OR, AK, MT. I'm only posting about Confederate monuments because they're immediately relevant now. They were erected specifically to intimidate blacks.

Columbus is a whole other matter I don't know enough about to even mention although I understand there have been incidents involving statues to him & other western "conquerors" in southwestern states. I think it's a mistake to lump Confederate & Columbus together.

[Edited on 6/17/2020 by cyclone88]

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 05:27 PM

WEAK! If an executor finds a new owner for you, it was indeed yours on paper. Whether you wanted it or not it was willed to you, it was yours.


NOPE, did that in caps so you would see it.
Have you never heard of disclaiming an inheritance? If not, look it up.


 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 06:46 PM
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Some of these people just want to burn and destroy anything. Why burn down the Wendy's in Atlanta were Mr. Brooks was shot and killed by Atlanta police? Now 36 people don't have a job because their restaurant was destroyed.

I understand the frustration re the monuments, but it is dangerous. As one person in England said - "enough debate; time for action." When 4 monuments were beheaded in Portsmouth VA last weekend, a falling piece of the monument hit a bystander who is in critical condition in the hospital w/a head injury. The next day, the mayor of the neighboring city Norfolk had crews out at 7 am removing their monument. Statutes in both Louisville & DeKalb were/are being removed ASAP for public safety reasons.

Some of these statues are enormous which is why I include height & weight where it's available. The one in Dallas was 65 feet tall!!!!!

There are more than 700 of these statues throughout the US w/only 3 states w/none - OR, AK, MT. I'm only posting about Confederate monuments because they're immediately relevant now. They were erected specifically to intimidate blacks.

Columbus is a whole other matter I don't know enough about to even mention although I understand there have been incidents involving statues to him & other western "conquerors" in southwestern states. I think it's a mistake to lump Confederate & Columbus together.

[Edited on 6/17/2020 by cyclone88]


Maybe the ones that haven't been destroyed can be moved to Mar A Lago. Seems like a good fit.

 

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[Edited on 6/17/2020 by cyclone88]


Maybe the ones that haven't been destroyed can be moved to Mar A Lago. Seems like a good fit.


To MartinD28, I see no problem if the monuments are moved to private property with the property owners, or local organizations, responsible for the upkeep.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 10:03 PM
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Why did Mr. Lee petition to keep them as slaves rather than setting them free?


Crickets. I guess you missed that part since it wasnít all caps, but please continue to give us all your justifications of why you get all crotchety every time a monument to White Supremacy falls. I get it, your family didnít own slaves, the Civil War wasnít about slavery for all enlisted partyís it was perceived self preservation, but to continue to deny that for the elites of the South there was any one issue more important than continuing the practice of chattel slavery falls into the category of whitewashed history.

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 03:17 PM
Once Lincoln remarked after hearing a southern politition speak to a group of men about the benefits of slavery. "My dear man. If slavery affords such benefits, then submit to being a slave yourself then report to us".

Revelation 3:20 " I am at the door knocking. If anyone opens, I will go in and dine with them and they with me".

Some scholars doubt Jesus even existed as a historical character. Many more reject many New Testament claims about him. I don't know whether they are right or wrong. But whoever wrote these words attributed to Jesus 2,000 years ago ignored secterian concerns and racial or sexual superiority. It is agreed the words were originally written in Greek. In the Greek the word translated "anyone" or some translations "man" means MANKIND. Male, female, red, yellow, black or white.

Thus the character Jesus, made up or historical, human or divine, knocks on my door, your door in this story wanting to dine with us and be our friend no matter male, female, or what color or race. 2,000 years later how many have that kind of heart? Maybe Jaimoe would be one.

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 06:17 PM
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Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio said yesterday COLUMBUS CIRCLE AND THE STATUE OF CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS WILL NOT BE REMOVED!!!!!! The circle and statue have been in Manhattan since 1892, the 400th anniversary of Columbus' first voyage by ITALIANS living in New York City.



I donít know blackey - the statue in front of city hall in his namesake city of Columbus, (the capitol of) Ohio is coming down tomorrow & going into storage

Wonder if pressure from the PC crowd, coupled w/political expediency, will cause an about-face by the mayor & governor

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I donít know blackey - the statue in front of city hall in his namesake city of Columbus, (the capitol of) Ohio is coming down tomorrow & going into storage
Wonder if pressure from the PC crowd, coupled w/political expediency, will cause an about-face by the mayor & governor


Hey Stephen. BrerRabbit has started a Columbus thread so as not to commingle current Confederate protests and Columbus debates & activism. He's quite knowledgeable on the topic.


 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 06:39 PM
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NONE of these will be changed. Columbus Circle in Manhattan and the big statue of Christopher Columbus in the middle isn't going anywhere!!! New York mayor Bill de Blasio was open to removing it and changing the name of the circle which was erected by New York Italians in 1892 on the 400th anniversary of Columbus's voyage. But city Italians hit the ceiling. De Blasio was uninvited to their annual Manhattan parade and informed they would no longer support him. De Blasio and Governor Cuomo agreed Columbus is going nowhere in New York City. The Italian's won't stand for it. De Blasio was prodded to remove Columbus by some Latian American people but the Italian people yelled louder and that was that. Columbus Circle isn't going anywhere. Columbus was financed by Spain but was an Italian as you know.


Hey blackey. BrerRabbit just started a thread on Columbus. He's much more equipped to discuss it. All I know is that I pass the one at Columbus Circle on a daily basis & it's been a contentious issue for at least 30 years.

 

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  posted on 6/18/2020 at 10:13 PM
2 Confederate statues were removed yesterday from Houston's city parks ahead of the Juneteenth celebrations. Both will be put in storage although there's a bizarre suggestion that one be put in Houston's Museum of African American Culture over the objection of the state NAACP Director.

The University of Mississippi got approval today to remove its Confederate statue from its entrance to the university's cemetery at some as yet to be determined date. It was erected in 1906 & dedicated by a political candidate for governor wearing a Confederate uniform. In 1906. Gubernatorial candidate in a Confederate uniform.

In both Houston & Oxford, the reasons for removing the statues was public safety.

[Edited on 6/19/2020 by cyclone88]

 

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  posted on 6/20/2020 at 10:29 AM
Seems like a good place to stop.

The Robert E Lee statue which the governor planned to remove is now being litigated in 3 cases - homeowners along the avenue are worried about losing the prestigious Monument Avenue luster & more importantly, favorable tax treatment. Concrete barriers have been installed around the statue but this morning, an armed man at the monument was taken into custody.

By the end of Juneteenth night, a statue in DC had been toppled as well as one outside the Raleigh capitol building.

There's definitely support that the monuments now are a threat to public safety. Thanks for indulging my interest.

 

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  posted on 6/23/2020 at 05:17 PM
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I donít know blackey - the statue in front of city hall in his namesake city of Columbus, (the capitol of) Ohio is coming down tomorrow & going into storage

Sign the petition! Get Involved, Internet: Help rename Columbus, Ohio "Flavortown"

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