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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 10:38 AM
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Speaking of Virginia, Jamestown was settled by the 1st English speakers in 1607


I am directly descended from a settler of Jamestown - Elizabeth Stout. Herstory is the stuff of legend. Kidnapped by Indians as a little child - hidden in a hollow tree - survived on grubs snd whatever she found - was found by another tribe, raised Indian, as a young woman the Jamestown colonists located her - she did not want to return - she came back and during her life was a strong go between negotiator with the Indians. A well written account of her life can be found in the book "Women In A Violent Time" also it has been fictionalized in several novels.

Also my great x ? grandfather was in Washington's Cabinet as the First Postmaster General of the USA .

Way off topic and has nothing to do with anything other than maybe showing that like PattyG I am oldschool Liberal America, love this country, and these mouth breathing White Supremacist trogs who want to whine about statues and grasp at Leif Erickson straws can go sail off the edge of the world for all I care.


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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 10:42 AM
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Funny how the left can conveniently look at the main issue here of Slavery which the DEMOCRATS are responsible for in the 1860's as something from the past and then in the same breath preach that the removal of STATUES commemorating that same period of time "Fixes" everything!

Democrats aren't "responsible" for slavery. It wasn't a partisan issue, the slave trade was international and precedes the founding of the Democratic Party in 1828.

And no one said it fixes "everything". But it helps.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 10:44 AM
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Good luck!!! It would take an act of Congress to rename the nation's capital.

As I've mentioned before, this thread is about the good news that Confederate monuments are coming down.

Columbus has nothing to do w/this thread. If someone wants to start one about him, feel free.

As for Jews of which I am one, you might find an old (1988) book called An Empire of Their Own by Neal Gabler (also Jewish) about how the film industry was theoretically invented by Jews.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 10:59 AM
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I am directly descended from a settler of Jamestown - Elizabeth Stout.

You ARE an interesting commenter. I'll find the book for cont'd lockdown reading.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 11:29 AM
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Funny how the left can conveniently look at the main issue here of Slavery which the DEMOCRATS are responsible for in the 1860's as something from the past and then in the same breath preach that the removal of STATUES commemorating that same period of time "Fixes" everything!




You can repeat over and over that Democrats are responsible for slavery, but political party platforms have changed a bit in the last 150 years. At least today's Democrats seem to know where they stand. Meanwhile the Republicans are still trying to figure out if they are the "Party of Lincoln" or "The defenders of the Confederacy." You literally can't be both, as much as Republicans seem to want to claim both.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 11:41 AM
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Meanwhile the Republicans are still trying to figure out if they are the "Party of Lincoln" or "The defenders of the Confederacy." You literally can't be both, as much as Republicans seem to want to claim both.

Yeah, the Republican Party's platform has changed a little since 1864. In addition to condemning slavery, they referred to the Confederacy as "traitors" - probably not an endorsement for hundreds of statues.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/republican-party-platform-1864

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That foreign immigration, which in the past has added so much to the wealth, development of resources and increase of power to the nation, the asylum of the oppressed of all nations, should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy.

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That the National faith, pledged for the redemption of the public debt, must be kept inviolate, and that for this purpose we recommend economy and rigid responsibility in the public expenditures, and a vigorous and just system of taxation;

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That we approve the position taken by the Government that the people of the United States can never regard with indifference the attempt of any European Power to overthrow by force or to supplant by fraud the institutions of any Republican Government on the Western Continent

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 11:52 AM
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If they think removing statues is going to stop our movement, they can go pound sand. #MAGA!!


OK, instead of all these cryptic hints and thinly veiled allusions, how about telling us what exactly your movement is?

Let's see, to deduce from the statement that removal of Confederate monuments can't stop this mystery movement . . . hmm . . .

What if I said that getting rid of statues of Hitler in Germany after WW2 was not going to stop my movement? What would the simple deduction be? You would think I was a Nazi, correct?

The most obvious conclusion is you are a White Supremacist.



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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 12:06 PM
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Who's going to design the new American flag?

Melania.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 12:39 PM
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Who's going to design the new American flag?

Melania.


I hope that turns out better than her cyber bullying initiative.


 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 01:30 PM
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Decided not to do the "modern example" since it might (might hell, would) cause some decidedly vile remarks thrown my way about comparing blacks to*********.


I was enjoying the thread and hoping to hear you continue. I wouldn't censor your knowledge of history because a few people might find it objectionable.


Appreciate the thought BMack9911.

Still, there are some here that can't understand that if you don't take, or refuse, possession of something willed to you, you don't own it.
So here is a modern example:
You are willed a dump truck by a well meaning relative. You don't want it, or need it. You tell the executor you don't want it. The executor finds some one who will take possession of the truck.
Now, did you ever own the truck?

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 01:35 PM
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CSA President1 aka Jefferson Davis's statue in the KY capitol rotunda was removed this morning. A special meeting was held Friday to vote to remove the 12' 5 ton statue that has been an issue for years, but the killing of Briona Taylor in Louisville as well as the protests following the killing of George Floyd caused the governor to act quickly.

An empty bottle of Glenmore Kentucky straight bourbon was found in the base of the monument. Other "artifacts" include a note inside the bottle as well as a newspaper from the day of placement.

Interesting how years of court battles, preservation rulings, & stalled debates are quickly usurped by the danger that protesters are going to do the work themselves or current politicians are made to look out-of-touch & racist if these monuments aren't removed ASAP.




I wonder why there was a statue of Jefferson Davis in the Kentucky Capitol. While Kentucky was a slave state, it was also a Union state and was never in the C.S A.

Which kinda counteracts the theme "The war was fought to free slaves."

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 02:29 PM
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I wonder why there was a statue of Jefferson Davis in the Kentucky Capitol. While Kentucky was a slave state, it was also a Union state and was never in the C.S A.


Davis was born in Fairview KY. The statue was placed in the Rotunda in 1936 by the UDC to "reaffirm white supremacy amid threats of lynchings and segregation that were prevalent at the time," according to the Historic Properties Advisory Committee. Although he requested to be buried in his native Kentucky, his widow accepted Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond VA's offer to bury him along w/28 Confederate generals.


 

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I wonder why there was a statue of Jefferson Davis in the Kentucky Capitol. While Kentucky was a slave state, it was also a Union state and was never in the C.S A.


Davis was born in Fairview KY. The statue was placed in the Rotunda in 1936 by the UDC to "reaffirm white supremacy amid threats of lynchings and segregation that were prevalent at the time," according to the Historic Properties Advisory Committee. Although he requested to be buried in his native Kentucky, his widow accepted Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond VA's offer to bury him along w/28 Confederate generals.




I had forgotten he was born there since he spent most of hid life around Mississippi and Louisiana.
What I remember about his burials was that his wife didn't want him buried on their plantation due to frequent flooding, he was first buried in Metier at New Orleans.
She later took petitions from places that wanted him buried there, and Macon was one of those places.

Interesting note for those who care: Davis was captured on one of the family farms close to where I was born.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 05:41 PM
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I had forgotten he was born there since he spent most of hid life around Mississippi and Louisiana.
Interesting note for those who care: Davis was captured on one of the family farms close to where I was born.


It's interesting that he was captured near where you were born. Although he went to Congress from Mississippi, he seemed to have wanderlust both before & after the war - ranging from Montreal, Liverpool, Memphis to Cuba & lots of places in between. He expressed in writing several times that he wanted to be buried on his family's plantation near Vicksburg, but as you say, it was out of the question due to flooding (& estate litigation). His second choice was KY - either Louisville or next to a church that he'd dedicated built on the site of his birthplace. Apparently, he was ruined financially & his widow would only accept charity through a trust that preferred Richmond given its status as capitol of the Confederacy. So, his body was moved from Metarie LA to Richmond. Interesting that he was pardoned for treason by Pres Andrew Johnson but didn't have his US citizenship restored until 1978 through an act of Congress signed by Carter.

 

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Did you ever watch a History series called "Curse of Civil War Gold"?
The episode where they searched a field close to where Davis was captured (actually across the road from there)
belongs to one of my 3rd or 4th cousins, my Dad and I did a lot of Quail hunting there.
I've wanted so many times to e-mail the show and tell them the legend of the gold never leaving Macon, but hidden in a cave close to the river.

 

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Did you ever watch a History series called "Curse of Civil War Gold"?
The episode where they searched a field close to where Davis was captured (actually across the road from there)
belongs to one of my 3rd or 4th cousins, my Dad and I did a lot of Quail hunting there.
I've wanted so many times to e-mail the show and tell them the legend of the gold never leaving Macon, but hidden in a cave close to the river.


I'll add it to my Covid Viewing list. Thanks.
Definitely write the producer/director if there's more to the story.

 

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Decided not to do the "modern example" since it might (might hell, would) cause some decidedly vile remarks thrown my way about comparing blacks to*********.


I was enjoying the thread and hoping to hear you continue. I wouldn't censor your knowledge of history because a few people might find it objectionable.


Appreciate the thought BMack9911.

Still, there are some here that can't understand that if you don't take, or refuse, possession of something willed to you, you don't own it.
So here is a modern example:
You are willed a dump truck by a well meaning relative. You don't want it, or need it. You tell the executor you don't want it. The executor finds some one who will take possession of the truck.
Now, did you ever own the truck?


WEAK! If an executor finds a new owner for you, it was indeed yours on paper. Whether you wanted it or not it was willed to you, it was yours.

You're really grasping at straws anyway with that argument but what of the slaves included in the estate Mr. Lee was the executor of? Why did Mr. Lee petition to keep them as slaves rather than setting them free?

That modern example doesn't make you racist, if someone wanted to call you out on that they would point out that you think its ok to use the N word because Al Sharpton said it.....that and you go a diatribe of whitewashed history anytime the Confederate monument subject comes up.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2020 at 10:44 PM
It makes no difference if Robert E. Lee was bloody Ghandi, uniting all in peace and simplicity - the statues are a symbol, they generate certain reactions as the world changes, and now they are toast. They mean nothing. Let's face it, statues are kinda dumb anyway.

After Trump and your Neo-CSA win Civil War ll you can have a White Lives Matter thing and tear down MLK's statue, sound fair? Gotta be an MLK statue someplace, that's strange, I just realized I have no idea where a monument to a famous black peacemaker is - see? I am a frekin racist, I should know that!


 

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  posted on 6/16/2020 at 07:26 AM
BrerRabbit. There is a big statue of Dr. King in my hometown. There are buttons one can push and hear excerpts from sermons.
It is at one end of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Pedestrian Bridge. The bridge isn't very wide but it use to carry traffic over 5 or 6 railroad tracks one way and was built in 1891 as the Henry Street bridge for Patrick Henry. The street that now stops where the bridge begins is still called Henry Street. There is also Jefferson St, Franklin Rd, Washington Ave and King George Ave. These names date back to the 1800's for these streets.

cyclone88. Yes Jewish men started the motion picture industry. All 4 Warner Brothers, Samuel Goldwyn, Marques Lowe, Louie B. Mayer, Harry Cohn ( Columbia Pictures), Adolph Zucker ( Paramount) etc were all Jews.

As a teen I work in the local theaters in my hometown changing signs, movie posters and ushering and the 4 I was with were owned by Elmore Hines who was Jewish and a great guy. He was a baseball player when he was young. He also had pool halls, a bowling alley and 2 cigar stores with soda fountains and drugs.

 

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cyclone88. Yes Jewish men started the motion picture industry. All 4 Warner Brothers, Samuel Goldwyn, Marques Lowe, Louie B. Mayer, Harry Cohn ( Columbia Pictures), Adolph Zucker ( Paramount) etc were all Jews.


Just thought you'd find the book interesting. The major industries on the East Coast were dominated by WASPs. The combination of sunny California & the brand new field of making movies led to what was referred to as a Jewish Empire in the early 20th century.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 09:29 AM
No confederate pulldowns in Atlanta despite the killing of Rayshard Brooks. On Friday, however, a DeKalb County (which includes some part of Atlanta) judge ordered the removal of its Confederate obelisk by no later than 6/26. Seems public safety is the winning argument for circumventing various ordinances, preservation status, & other obstacles to get rid of these monuments.

The city commissioned a report about how to deal w/monuments & street names in 2017 after Charlottesville. Streets have been renamed. Many of the statues are already in cemeteries w/Confederate soldiers which was deemed acceptable. No action has been taken on Jim Crow & Civil Rights era monuments.




 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 01:08 PM
Some moron set the National Civil War Naval Museum in Columbus, Ga. on fire destroying a sh*tload of history.

Where is the line drawn as to where history is deemed offensive?

 

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Some moron set the National Civil War Naval Museum in Columbus, Ga. on fire destroying a sh*tload of history.

Well that's just dumb and ignorant of him. Statues and public displays are how we honor those we revere. Museums are how we preserve our history, warts and all.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2020 at 01:32 PM
Meanwhile, Santa Fe military cosplayers incite a dumpster fire.

https://www.santafenewmexican.com/ap/man-arrested-in-shooting-during-albuqu erque-statue-protest/article_38c5c2c0-03e0-5946-9036-9f9611fefeae.html

 

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Brother BIGV, donít insinuate that the criminalís line is the same as anyone elseís, otherwise it will give those libs ammunition to use against us. We canít let our guard down and make stupid mistakes like this. Just follow my lead brother.


Thanks Boynton Brother!....

I'll be sure to let the Administrators know you have returned!

 

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