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  posted on 6/2/2020 at 08:34 PM
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Correct, it is part of the Constitution when that is the act one is involved in. Are starting fires, looting and committing mayhem protected?


Of course not. As a libertarian, how do you reconcile brutality unleashed on the peaceful protesters? Iíd think that whole liberty thing would be important to ya.

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And you conveniently avoided the big question here.....What about the spread of the Killer virus in these crowds? Why are not these crowds being dispersed in the name of everyone's health?.. What happened to "Stay at home"?..What happened to "social distancing"?


I work for a hospital. I really donít care at this point who wears a mask or who doesnít when Iím not at work. You can head on down to the nearest emergency room and lick the walls if it makes you feel vindicated. You get sick with COVID or anything else and need to be in the hospital, itís my job to make sure you get taken care of no matter what your politics are.

As to comparing what going on in the streets to the risk of being infected with a microbe, thatís hardly an argument worth having.


Is it a highly contagious killer that warranted the wearing of masks, social distancing, staying at home, the shutting down of the economy, the closing of all businesses not deemed essential, the arrests of people who defied the Governor's orders, the deaths of over 100,000 people here in the States and on and on...

Yes or No?


It's a highly contagious killer, and as to the rest of it, I have no idea, and neither do you. The pandemic isn't over. Why are you asking me as if I'm responsible for all that?

I'll save you some keystrokes. I have no political lens to place on a microbe. A virus doesn't care who we voted for, what county we live in, what we had for breakfast. If you're looking for a partisan argument over a microscopic entity, look elsewhere.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2020 at 08:46 PM
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C'mon man, I've made it so clear the "Peaceful" protesting is not the issue here. Violence is.


Excellent Nixonian response. Did you do the quote thing on purpose, maybe think about it before you typed them?

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So you of all people either embrace the argument that the thought of our health care system being over run with covid cases was numero uno....

Or you do not.


You're right, Vince, You are so right. The thought of our health care system being overrun is just idiotic. We need to cancel the disaster drills and mass casualty drills. We need to not rebuild a pandemic supply, and when emergency rooms go on diversion this summer, we'll tell those folks to just get over whatever it is that's wrong with them.

Hell, come 4th of July, we'll just tell those folks who just hadta lose a finger to a firework that they was sacrificin' their digits for freedom, and they'll be seen in a few hours!

But as far as what I thought? I had no control over it. I know that our healthcare system isn't designed to to be bumrushed by the thousands, and if I was concerned that there might not be enough beds to take care of sick people, then excuse the **** outta me.


 

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  posted on 6/2/2020 at 09:03 PM
Itís true that a virus knows no politics
Many blamed Trump for the spread of this one however
So it became political football, w/all the typical finger pointing etc
My answer would be, yes, to a large degree we went overboard w/closing down all trace of commerce/trade in response to it - contagious & all, despite what the experts said, shutting down to enforce social distancing etc was an overreaction that hurt far more than helped - state parks? & other outdoor places? Give me a break

[Edited on 6/3/2020 by Stephen]

 

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C'mon man, I've made it so clear the "Peaceful" protesting is not the issue here. Violence is.


Excellent Nixonian response. Did you do the quote thing on purpose, maybe think about it before you typed them?

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So you of all people either embrace the argument that the thought of our health care system being over run with covid cases was numero uno....

Or you do not.


You're right, Vince, You are so right. The thought of our health care system being overrun is just idiotic. We need to cancel the disaster drills and mass casualty drills. We need to not rebuild a pandemic supply, and when emergency rooms go on diversion this summer, we'll tell those folks to just get over whatever it is that's wrong with them.

Hell, come 4th of July, we'll just tell those folks who just hadta lose a finger to a firework that they was sacrificin' their digits for freedom, and they'll be seen in a few hours!

But as far as what I thought? I had no control over it. I know that our healthcare system isn't designed to to be bumrushed by the thousands, and if I was concerned that there might not be enough beds to take care of sick people, then excuse the **** outta me.


Either this virus was going to over tax the hospitals, or it is not. If if is, or will, like we have been led to believe, then social distancing and masks are a good idea. This is NOT being practiced at the protests where thousands are showing up, it has nothing to do with politics, zero.

A true liberal dilemma, stand up for wearing masks and distancing or allow people to congregate by the thousands in a march. But you can't go to a stadium, a concert and only half capacity in restaurants......

Do I have the right to do these things?

 

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C'mon man, I've made it so clear the "Peaceful" protesting is not the issue here. Violence is.


Excellent Nixonian response. Did you do the quote thing on purpose, maybe think about it before you typed them?

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So you of all people either embrace the argument that the thought of our health care system being over run with covid cases was numero uno....

Or you do not.


You're right, Vince, You are so right. The thought of our health care system being overrun is just idiotic. We need to cancel the disaster drills and mass casualty drills. We need to not rebuild a pandemic supply, and when emergency rooms go on diversion this summer, we'll tell those folks to just get over whatever it is that's wrong with them.

Hell, come 4th of July, we'll just tell those folks who just hadta lose a finger to a firework that they was sacrificin' their digits for freedom, and they'll be seen in a few hours!

But as far as what I thought? I had no control over it. I know that our healthcare system isn't designed to to be bumrushed by the thousands, and if I was concerned that there might not be enough beds to take care of sick people, then excuse the **** outta me.


Either this virus was going to over tax the hospitals, or it is not. If if is, or will, like we have been led to believe, then social distancing and masks are a good idea. This is NOT being practiced at the protests where thousands are showing up, it has nothing to do with politics, zero.

A true liberal dilemma, stand up for wearing masks and distancing or allow people to congregate by the thousands in a march. But you can't go to a stadium, a concert and only half capacity in restaurants......

Do I have the right to do these things?


Believe it or not, I know several people who would have joined the protests if it weren't for COVID-19. I'm not the kind of person who goes to protests, but there was a peaceful protest about a mile from me and I might have considered going if it weren't for COVID-19. So yes, some people are staying home. Pictures of the one near my house showed almost everyone wearing a mask, although admittedly most were close together while crowded onto sidewalks. I was not too happy with my brother who attended one of the right-wing "open everything up" protests and then visiting my elderly mom, and I wouldn't be too happy with anyone in my family going to one of the BLM protests and then visiting her. So, does this make me a hypocrite? I don't think so, but if it does I don't care.

Hey, while on the subject of hypocrites, did you see that Pat Robertson, the man who once said that if you are against Trump you are against God, slammed Trump on his opposition to the protests?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/06/02/pat-robertson-trump-isnt -cool-protests/

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 04:50 AM
At the protest I drove by Monday might, pretty much everyone was wearing masks. The new and social media warned to wear a mask if you went out, and if you couldnít maintain 6 ft at least stay near people you know. Iím sure not everyone did that, buy it there were ample warnings in my neck of the woods and also on CNN. There were also interviews/columns that health experts are concerned about another bump in cases because if protests

So no, the virus was not ignored. I didnít see the hypocrisy of the so called liberal media ( liberal defined as anything but Fox)

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 07:36 AM
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Either this virus was going to over tax the hospitals, or it is not. If if is, or will, like we have been led to believe, then social distancing and masks are a good idea. This is NOT being practiced at the protests where thousands are showing up, it has nothing to do with politics, zero.

A true liberal dilemma, stand up for wearing masks and distancing or allow people to congregate by the thousands in a march. But you can't go to a stadium, a concert and only half capacity in restaurants......

Do I have the right to do these things?

It DID tax hospitals! Have you had your your head in the Sedona sand? Medical professionals in many major metropolitan areas were overworked and some were so exhausted they committed suicide. If you didn't see increases in your area hopefully that means that the precautions taken helped curb the spread into less densely populated areas. And we don't know what the increase will be after the protests because symptoms aren't immediate (a college football player reported he tested positive after protesting).

It again goes to PRIORITIES. The vast majority of people are still at home. Even though you see lots of people on the streets on your TV screen, it's really not a large portion of the population. No one wants protests but after THREE incendiary racist incidents, two in which murder would have gone uncharged had it not been recorded, some people were more pissed off about injustice than they were about social distancing (however, many still wore masks and stood at a distance). Some places are back on curfew and cops have been spraying crowds with rubber bullets to get them to disperse. However, if they are peaceful and safe, cops are allowing the protests to proceed.

Speaking of hypocrites, you had no problem when white people raided capitol building and yelled at cops in the middle of the pandemic, but now it's a "liberal dilemma"? This really isn't that complicated, unless you are only paying attention to what you want.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 07:51 AM
Again - not intending to be a total Melvin or anything, but how smart is it to bring your baby to a protest? Yes, she's a little cutie-pie-babydoll and all that, but how well do you think those tiny lungs can process pepper spray? Not as bad as the looters, but also bad-protest practice.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 08:08 AM
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Again - not intending to be a total Melvin or anything, but how smart is it to bring your baby to a protest? Yes, she's a little cutie-pie-babydoll and all that, but how well do you think those tiny lungs can process pepper spray? Not as bad as the looters, but also bad-protest practice.


The watermark on that photo states it is from Pasadena, where they had a small, peaceful vigil.

https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2020/06/02/first-of-two-george-floyd-inspi red-protests-underway-in-pasadena/

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 08:17 AM
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Again - not intending to be a total Melvin or anything, but how smart is it to bring your baby to a protest? Yes, she's a little cutie-pie-babydoll and all that, but how well do you think those tiny lungs can process pepper spray? Not as bad as the looters, but also bad-protest practice.


The watermark on that photo states it is from Pasadena, where they had a small, peaceful vigil.

https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2020/06/02/first-of-two-george-floyd-inspi red-protests-underway-in-pasadena/


Isn't that how they all start out? Are there "matinee protests" for families?

 

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Again - not intending to be a total Melvin or anything, but how smart is it to bring your baby to a protest? Yes, she's a little cutie-pie-babydoll and all that, but how well do you think those tiny lungs can process pepper spray? Not as bad as the looters, but also bad-protest practice.


The watermark on that photo states it is from Pasadena, where they had a small, peaceful vigil.

https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2020/06/02/first-of-two-george-floyd-inspi red-protests-underway-in-pasadena/

Isn't that how they all start out? Are there "matinee protests" for families?

I'm not saying I would do the same. Just giving context that this wasn't on a Minneapolis freeway. The vigil was peaceful, as the vast majority of vigils and small-scale gatherings have been across the country. The vandals are the lead on the 6 o'clock news, they close the half hour with the peaceful events. Nothing happened here, and that's good.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 02:30 PM
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Again - not intending to be a total Melvin or anything, but how smart is it to bring your baby to a protest? Yes, she's a little cutie-pie-babydoll and all that, but how well do you think those tiny lungs can process pepper spray? Not as bad as the looters, but also bad-protest practice.





Also, NO MASK, thousands of people; Covid 19 is a killer!

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 02:49 PM
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Also, NO MASK, thousands of people; Covid 19 is a killer!

It does kill, mostly the elderly and infirm. About 100,000 people nationwide, thus far. Rarely affects children. Stay informed!

But also killers: Minnesota cops, Georgia father & son, Kentucky cops...

But you don't care because you are overloaded with 2 different issues at the same time and confusing that for some form of hypocrisy.

Reminds me of what Norm MacDonald regarding Bill Cosby:
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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 02:54 PM
Starting to smell like old lady farts in the desert in this thread.
 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 02:58 PM
The cop that snuffed Floyd wasn't masked. Where is the outrage.


 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 05:31 PM
Once again, this has zero to do with the right to protest. We all stayed at home, practice social distancing and have been asked to wear masks. Marching and congregating mere inches from the throngs next to you can not be good....

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 05:35 PM
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Assembling for the purpose of committing criminal mischief like looting is not a protected activity.


Then why are people who are assembling peacefully getting sprayed, gassed and shot with rubber bullets anyway?


Pissed off cops who are hell bent on control.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 05:41 PM
Hopefully outrage wonít break out at the memorial service tmrw in Minneapolis
W/Chauvinís 3 accomplices now being charged
& w/isolated pockets of the law enforcement community showing understanding for peopleís outrage by taking a knee

...it should help to calm whatever raw feelings there might be lingering among those attending

ďI am no better
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We are the same in whatever we do
Love me, hate me.......
Makes no difference what group Iím in....Ē

Sly had such great songs about this stuff
Thatís why Everybody dug Sly - everyday people

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 05:42 PM
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Some BLM protesters are taking the all lives matter approach, but they say black lives are threatened.

All lives matters mantra was an attempt by some to either minimize the BLM movement intentionally or to say that genuinely that all lives matter, why single out a specific race - these people miss the point of BLM and what minorities have to live with.

I like seeing BLM take up that line that all lives matter and then they can emphasize the urgency of what they are talking about related to the black community.


I understand they feel marginalized and relegated to 2nd citizenry but the misuse of power and abuse by cops is not limited to just black people. Everyone has felt it's wrath. My friend is white lived in Park Slope Brooklyn and was abused by the 77th precinct. There are at least two issues one is race motivating Officer Chauvin to apply the techniques that killed George Floyd, and the other that the techniques are on the books at all.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 05:57 PM
5,000 protesters in NYC held on the Manhattan Bridge between Brooklyn and Manhattan before being told to go back home to Brooklyn. More looting in Manhattan. There is still a COVID-19 quarantine being ignored by the protesters.

Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384513/new-york-city-cracks-dark- 280-arrested-breaking-8pm-curfew.html


In Houston things were different. 60,000 protesters came out to support BLM protests for George Floyd.

Http://yahoo.com/news/just-george-floyd-family-stunned-004416680.html


Other places things not peaceful.
Https://www.yahoo.com/move-die-freightened-truck-drivers-183813944.html



[Edited on 6/3/2020 by gina]

 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 06:16 PM
Case updates:

Https://www.startribune.com/chauvin-charged-with-2nd-degree-murder-3-others -also charged/570984872/

Attorney General Keith Ellison, a black Progressive Congressman and Civil Rights attorney is taking over the case from Prosecutor Mike Freeman after Governor Walz reassigned the case. The charges were upgraded to 2nd degree murder after reported consultation with Mr. Floyd's family. CNN has a tape contradicting Derek Chauvin's assertion that Floyd was resisting arrest when subdued with his knee.

Additionally the other three officers are/going to be charged with aiding and abetting a murder.

Officer Thao who turned his back at the car has been investigated 6 other times because of complaints and has one case pending .

Officer Chauvin had 17 internal affairs investigations on him over the years including one in Aug. 2007 where he pulled a woman out of her car after stopping her for a speeding ticket, young ten miles per hour over the limit.

In 2006 he shot and killed a suspect with a hun.

In 2008 he shot a domestic violence assault suspect.

In 2011 he fired at a man running from a shooting.

Chauvin was a military police officer with the US Army
Sept 1996 to Feb 1997
Sept 1999 to May 2000

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/officer-involved-george-floyds-killing-203357728 .html


 

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  posted on 6/3/2020 at 08:23 PM
No social distancing happening in these demonstrations. Covid-19 continues.

Today 1045 New cases for NY

525 new cases for NJ

429 new cases MASS

512 new cases PA

807 new cases MARYLAND

666 new cases VIRGINIA

130 new cases DC

 

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Also, NO MASK, thousands of people; Covid 19 is a killer!


And the autopsy revealed that George Floyd had COVID19.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2020 at 09:41 AM
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It again goes to PRIORITIES. The vast majority of people are still at home. Even though you see lots of people on the streets on your TV screen, it's really not a large portion of the population.



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And the same people seemed to think "Liberty" means "I get to do absolutely whatever I want", as if they had never seen a closed public park


Both of these are your quotes. Let's arrest a woman for going to a playground with the intent being "THE PARK IS CLOSED FOR HEALTH REASONS" and the possible endangerment of others and the concern of spreading Covid 19 to others including children. But when THOUSANDS show up in crowds with NO DISTANCING and with a good percentage not wearing masks, it's " really not a large portion of the population"

Now go ahead and claim the social unrest is an adequate reason to turn a blind eye to a killer virus, then state that it's a small percentage of the population..

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I think a good analogy is a seat belt. Sure, it increases your chances of surviving a crash which is great for you, but it also keeps your body from flying into someone else's wind shield or ending up in a hospital ER.


"I think a good analogy is a seat belt"....Unless you are attending a protest with THOUSANDS where the seatbelt/mask comparison does not apply.

Another gem below that is evidently not applicable to large crowds because "it's really not a large portion of the population" but go to a playground!!!!!

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Is playing in parks while people suffer and die really the hill you want to die on, BIGV?


Are people still suffering from this virus PK Bob? Where do you think this virus is more likely to be spread?..In a playground?...Or on the streets where THOUSANDS are tightly packed together?..But oh yeah .."it's really not a large portion of the population"

And my favorite PorkChopBob!

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Restaurants pretty much every where are doing take out and delivery (including NYC) The issue is places where people congregate - bars, churches, parks, stadiums, theaters, etc. California had a lock down after they got hit hard with COVID cases before they even knew it. Other areas less densely populated are trying to be preventative so they don't have to be as aggressive in their response. It's really not that much to ask that you stay away from a park. Most people aren't taking their kids out of the house if they don't have to, these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers). Because if everyone ignored them and went to the beach or the park, then you have an issue.


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The issue is places where people congregate


Tell us bob, are people "Congregating" in the streets at these protests? But oh yeah .."it's really not a large portion of the population"

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Most people aren't taking their kids out of the house if they don't have to, these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers)


There is a photo in this thread of a protester holding up a child with NO MASK and one of the first comments was a concern with the child being exposed to pepper spray

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these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers)


Or self-centered protesters who feel their right to protest supersedes the importance of this virus not returning?

Now go ahead and call me a racist and while you are at it, tell us this again!! "Sure, there's a disparity in the degree to which some areas are affected, but that's merely a luxury of time".

 

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  posted on 6/4/2020 at 10:44 AM
At least Anti Vaxx mom didn't have to get her face ground into the pavement for a minor offense.
 
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