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  posted on 6/1/2020 at 09:37 PM
I don't know the answer for media members being targeted by police.

They should probably embed some teams behind the police lines like they do overseas to keep them safe. Anyone on the other side in an area the police are trying to move on and clear need to get out the way. I've seen cameramen directly in front of police lines when they are trying to advance, get out of the damn way!

 

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  posted on 6/1/2020 at 09:41 PM
From tbomike:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/05/31/george-floyd- protest-agitators-mostly-homegrown-not-outsiders/5300362002/

Just goes to show...you can't hardly trust anything coming from anyone.

 

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  posted on 6/1/2020 at 09:42 PM
Last night in Atlanta news crews from all the stations were out in force and broadcasting live from where the protests were taking place.
a little after 9 PM, the main force of protesters left the areas and the stations were broadcasting about how the protests had gone (reasonably peaceful except for a few incidents).
Then the fun began. some "protesters" came out carrying jugs of water and milk, fully masked, some in gas masks, and gloved.
channel 46 broadcast continuous coverage on one group that the reporter described as "playing chicken with the national Guard troops". they would advance and hide, responded directions to disperse with taunts, made any attempt to antagonize the police and troops.
The police advanced on the ATVs and more dispersed, and some decided to keep at their game.
some were arrested as the police and troops rounded up and cleared the area.
Andrew Young came on, I think, WSB and talked about how outsiders were the problem and named white supremacists as the main agitators. Funny as that those you could see their skin color weren't white.

I do agree that outsiders are the main problem, not locals. The locals, except for a few, went home before the curfew fell in place,
Antifa, could be part of the problem, but so could any other group of anarchists or just a bunch of folks gone cabin crazy and decided that this would be a good time to get back at "whoever" the flavor of the month is.

Protest is fine. It's part of why this country was founded. When protest turns to looting, burning, assault on others, and general mayhem like the threats on Walmart shoppers shown in a post above, then it does become domestic terrorism.

 

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  posted on 6/1/2020 at 09:44 PM
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Leave it to you to condone trump's illegal actions.


Illegal actions? Or his reckless suggestions? There is a difference technically.

 

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Last night in Atlanta news crews from all the stations were out in force and broadcasting live from where the protests were taking place.
a little after 9 PM, the main force of protesters left the areas and the stations were broadcasting about how the protests had gone (reasonably peaceful except for a few incidents).
Then the fun began. some "protesters" came out carrying jugs of water and milk, fully masked, some in gas masks, and gloved.
channel 46 broadcast continuous coverage on one group that the reporter described as "playing chicken with the national Guard troops". they would advance and hide, responded directions to disperse with taunts, made any attempt to antagonize the police and troops.
The police advanced on the ATVs and more dispersed, and some decided to keep at their game.
some were arrested as the police and troops rounded up and cleared the area.
Andrew Young came on, I think, WSB and talked about how outsiders were the problem and named white supremacists as the main agitators. Funny as that those you could see their skin color weren't white.

I do agree that outsiders are the main problem, not locals. The locals, except for a few, went home before the curfew fell in place,
Antifa, could be part of the problem, but so could any other group of anarchists or just a bunch of folks gone cabin crazy and decided that this would be a good time to get back at "whoever" the flavor of the month is.

Protest is fine. It's part of why this country was founded. When protest turns to looting, burning, assault on others, and general mayhem like the threats on Walmart shoppers shown in a post above, then it does become domestic terrorism.


Much of the white supremacist speculation comes from online threats.

So much happening and we see so little. But from what I have seen the trouble makers are either black or white hipster looking types. I'm not going to draw any conclusions from that except that a white nationalist stereotype they do not fit. At the same time I am going to completely accept that every and any bad actor in the US ready and willing to instigate civil unrest is playing a role in this.

Bottom line, anyone, regardless of group affiliation, race or sex, if they are breaking the law they need apprehended and charged with applicable crimes. but the police and guard can only be so many places and do so much. Maybe the protesters need to better police themselves. Maybe some of these agitators should get some spray paint in their faces. Maybe some of these arsonists should get trapped in the buildings they are burning. Maybe some of these brick throwers should have their knees taken out.

 

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  posted on 6/1/2020 at 09:55 PM
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This is exactly right, for the last 60 yrs, who has planned, plotted and executed activities designed to bring about the fall and collapse of the U.S. government??? It's not the impoverished minorities, I can tell You that!!! Why it's our idolized fighters for justice, our heroes like Randy Weaver and the Aryan Brotherhood??......joe


Oh come on. yeah...the earth liberation front...WTO protests in Seattle 20 years ago...the Occupy movement was hijacked in a similar way that BLM is seeing now. We've already had one mention of the SDS/Weather Underground.

Sure, there are the Timothy McViegh's the Randy Weavers out there.

Anyone who focuses on one side of the extremist spectrum while ignoring the other has an agenda. Be that members here or in the White House.


Well, I might be behind the times neb, but i am sure You know what i meant, how about the famous Michigan Malitia or the real fine folks seen at Charlottesville? Those type folks are more frightening to me than some folks who are seeking the justice they deserve. Look man, real racism is bad!!!!, it means more than calling someone a bad name, it means not giving a person a job, it means a banker not giving a person a home loan, it may mean not being able to live where You want to, it's all rigged for the systematic oppression of a certain group of our population......joe



 

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  posted on 6/1/2020 at 09:57 PM
In Ga. that could be a solution. Get the actual protesters to self police for trouble makers.
Since Ga is an open carry state, those who wish to high jack the protest could end up with a damaged kneecap.
The actual protester could claim self defense of himself and others.
Could work.

 

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  posted on 6/1/2020 at 10:09 PM
I don't know...comparing the Michigan militia, I've seen armed black persons in Minnesota and honestly I was damn happy to see them. One video showed some guys outside a building with a sign on the door saying 'black owned' and about 4-5 dudes outside armed to the teeth with somebody filming talking some gansta talk. Good for them. Seen other armed black protesters.

I don't have any problem with white people or black people with guns be it they obtain and carry them legally.

The Michigan protesters were within their right to have the guns, but my opinion is it was counterproductive. The people in Minneapolis...the people everywhere really, these business owners getting beaten...wish every city and state allowed their citizens to protect themselves. Easy targets are the ones not allowed to legally defend themselves.

White nationalists in Charlottesville and everywhere should be labeled a domestic terrorist group. So should the same people that show up to these protests...same people anti-war, occupy movement, the 20-30 something skinny white guys and gals in their hipster clothes be they anarchists, anti-government types, anti-white, anti-black, anti-police. Take it out further...anti-abortion...anti-gay...extreme environmental activists...all of them. We'd be so much better without all these people. Can't limit their free speech. But we can arrest them whenever and wherever they unlawfully act out.

 

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  posted on 6/1/2020 at 10:16 PM
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Last night in Atlanta news crews from all the stations were out in force and broadcasting live from where the protests were taking place.
a little after 9 PM, the main force of protesters left the areas and the stations were broadcasting about how the protests had gone (reasonably peaceful except for a few incidents).
Then the fun began. some "protesters" came out carrying jugs of water and milk, fully masked, some in gas masks, and gloved.
channel 46 broadcast continuous coverage on one group that the reporter described as "playing chicken with the national Guard troops". they would advance and hide, responded directions to disperse with taunts, made any attempt to antagonize the police and troops.
The police advanced on the ATVs and more dispersed, and some decided to keep at their game.
some were arrested as the police and troops rounded up and cleared the area.
Andrew Young came on, I think, WSB and talked about how outsiders were the problem and named white supremacists as the main agitators. Funny as that those you could see their skin color weren't white.

I do agree that outsiders are the main problem, not locals. The locals, except for a few, went home before the curfew fell in place,
Antifa, could be part of the problem, but so could any other group of anarchists or just a bunch of folks gone cabin crazy and decided that this would be a good time to get back at "whoever" the flavor of the month is.

Protest is fine. It's part of why this country was founded. When protest turns to looting, burning, assault on others, and general mayhem like the threats on Walmart shoppers shown in a post above, then it does become domestic terrorism.


Well I don't like the term 'domestic terrorist'. But the people provoking violence, looting, riots are something. I saw footage from Philadelphia, whites have taken bats and went to try to stop some of the rioters/looters. On Twitter at phillyriots.

Some people want to make it a Whites vs. Blacks issue. Racism may have played a role in George Floyd's death, violence doesn't change that.

1. The problem of his death rests with the Minnesota police department. Changes in their handbook of permissible techniques for subdual and arrest need to happen. It currently allows knee to the neck. So does Philadelphia. Nationwide that could be changed as well as the chokehold procedures.

2. These changes need to happen on statewide and county levels.

3. The local head of Black Lives Matter Hawk Newsome has a law degree. Rather than these mob protests he could work on the statewide and national levels to effect changes to the laws and procedures instead of being out in the streets with a bullhorn leading protests that become violent.

The focus of change should be fairness for all no matter what color but the movement only focuses on blacks. What about something more inclusive like human lives matter? Justice for all because other people get abused also.











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  posted on 6/1/2020 at 10:24 PM
Some BLM protesters are taking the all lives matter approach, but they say black lives are threatened.

All lives matters mantra was an attempt by some to either minimize the BLM movement intentionally or to say that genuinely that all lives matter, why single out a specific race - these people miss the point of BLM and what minorities have to live with.

I like seeing BLM take up that line that all lives matter and then they can emphasize the urgency of what they are talking about related to the black community.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2020 at 12:19 AM
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Trump fiddles while the U.S. burns.


Would you actually prefer he gave an address?

You wouldn't agree with his words or proposed actions, so then isn't the better alternative is he doesn't address the nation?

Sure, a normal President would do what normal Presidents do. When Trump talks he normally makes things worse...so I suspect you would be happier if he keeps fiddling.


Times like these call for carefully chosen words. That's not the MO of the current occupant of the WH. I agree, anything he says is just going to throw gasoline on the fire. Better that he hide in his bunker and stay quiet.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2020 at 01:41 AM
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Are Black people only ok when they entertain you, bigV?


What in the hell are you referencing here?

 

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  posted on 6/2/2020 at 08:01 AM
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Times like these call for carefully chosen words. That's not the MO of the current occupant of the WH. I agree, anything he says is just going to throw gasoline on the fire. Better that he hide in his bunker and stay quiet.


He really PO'd me last night. He doesn't speak to us as "his fellow Americans" w/a promise that things will get better. He berates & threatens us as though we'e not bright children or deficient employees or inferior beings he's being forced to babysit. Not an ounce of respect for anyone's life. Not a scintilla of true leadership. Just chest pounding & a photo op.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2020 at 08:31 AM
someone will have to explain to me how firing tear gas into a peacefully demonstrating crowd conveys law and order
 

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  posted on 6/2/2020 at 08:32 AM
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Times like these call for carefully chosen words. That's not the MO of the current occupant of the WH. I agree, anything he says is just going to throw gasoline on the fire. Better that he hide in his bunker and stay quiet.


He really PO'd me last night. He doesn't speak to us as "his fellow Americans" w/a promise that things will get better. He berates & threatens us as though we'e not bright children or deficient employees or inferior beings he's being forced to babysit. Not an ounce of respect for anyone's life. Not a scintilla of true leadership. Just chest pounding & a photo op.


Standard Operating Procedure - Another day in the life of "leadership the Trump way". He f'ing used tear gas, rubber bullets, and force on American citizens in a peaceful protest so a path could be cleared for him to walk to St. John's Episcopal Church for a f'ing photo op. Unbelievable. This is what you expect in Turkey or Iran. It was reported that he wanted to show "strength" as he was frustrated as being seen as WEAK on Friday when he was ushered to the WH bunker.

I saw an interview last night with the Bishop of St. John's Episcopal Church, and she was outraged. She said he may have been in the church once before but he doesn't come there. He looked so uncomfortable using the Bible as a prop.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/cnntv-bishop-trump-photo-op/index.h tml

 

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Police officers in many cities taking a knee along with protesters - the Kap way. Must drive Trump & right wingers crazy.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/george-floyd-protests-philadelphia-city-hall- police-take-a-knee-20200601.html

 

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I don't suppose that a president has ever been forcibly removed from office. After some of Trump's recent comments I am honestly thinking that some entity (FBI, CIA) needs to show up ASAP with the butterfly nets and straitjackets.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2020 at 09:17 AM
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Standard Operating Procedure - Another day in the life of "leadership the Trump way". He f'ing used tear gas, rubber bullets, and force on American citizens in a peaceful protest so a path could be cleared for him to walk to St. John's Episcopal Church for a f'ing photo op. Unbelievable. This is what you expect in Turkey or Iran. It was reported that he wanted to show "strength" as he was frustrated as being seen as WEAK on Friday when he was ushered to the WH bunker.

I saw an interview last night with the Bishop of St. John's Episcopal Church, and she was outraged. She said he may have been in the church once before but he doesn't come there. He looked so uncomfortable using the Bible as a prop.


Of course, she was & I think it looked like he was holding the Bible upside down. Could be wrong.

CNN did a split screen that showed the peaceful, distanced, mask-wearing walkers being gradually corralled by riot gear clad officers of some sort & some tear gas thrown while he was speaking in order to clear the path for his "solemn" walk. It was all very reality TV produced. Unless there were unreleased photos, Trump wasn't "seen" going into his bunker. As I said, I don't watch because it's either faked or old news.

 

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Police officers in many cities taking a knee along with protesters - the Kap way. Must drive Trump & right wingers crazy.

To quote a NYPD detective friend, no one hates a bad cop more than a good cop. Why not have a civil conversation, take a knee, give a hug?

 

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Standard Operating Procedure - Another day in the life of "leadership the Trump way". He f'ing used tear gas, rubber bullets, and force on American citizens in a peaceful protest so a path could be cleared for him to walk to St. John's Episcopal Church for a f'ing photo op. Unbelievable.


I think we have to ask ourselves as a country at what point peaceful demonstration and rioting become two separate behaviors, it is brutally clear we the people and the media are incapable of making this distinction. At what point are we finally going to draw the line and ask when is enough is enough? I don't care if they are "outside agitators" or whether they have traveled from one state to another. It matters not to me if they think violence is the answer because peaceful protest has not work, I don't care. I do not want to hear it. Violence and the destruction of property, infrastructure, the looting of businesses, arson, whatever convenient reason or excuse you attach to it, I don't want to hear it. We are better than this. Standing in the middle of a freeway and stopping hard working Americans from conducting their daily lives which includes the travel to and from their places of employment is unacceptable. it is **** . I am not saying people do not have the right to protest, I am asking what has happened to common sense. What has happened to being held responsible for your own actions. What has happened to caring about your neighbor, your fellow human beings. I don't want to hear about people being so angry that this is their only option. **** , you always have a choice.

A "peaceful protest"?....Was not the Church in question SET ON FIRE THE NIGHT BEFORE.....please spare us this one sided, one size fits all, blame Trump for everything bull **** and try a new tack, one where we "blame" and hold accountable people we trust to act like adults and citizens but instead CHOOSE to commit violent acts? This crap is going to put him right back in the White House because the armchair quarterbacks who continue to cast condemnation on the President and anyone who dares show support for him have learned nothing from 2016. Absolutely nothing.

 

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I don't suppose that a president has ever been forcibly removed from office. After some of Trump's recent comments I am honestly thinking that some entity (FBI, CIA) needs to show up ASAP with the butterfly nets and straitjackets.


Recent comments? I've been waiting for that to happen since Day 1 of his term.

 

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I have taken part in more than 1 peaceful protest in my life and witnessed many others - including the one last night on Main St in my town. Not one incident.

Unfortunately, like many things, it takes one or 2 bad apples to ruin it for everyone. I condemn the violence as much as you and anyone else here.
We can't, nor should we, put all of the protesters in 1 boat. Most are not there for violence or looting. Just like we can't blame all cops for the actions of a few, all Muslims for the actions of Al Qeuda, all priests, etc.

No, the violence is not Trump's fault. But he didn't rise to the occasion, the way Presidents have in the recent past. He does not know how to heal and unify. IN Charlottesville, he claimed there "were good people" when they were wearing white hoods and carrying swastikas. Someone died there too. He tries to anger, incite, and divide. That's his MO.

So, the church was burned the night before. That is disgusting, vile and beyond belief. There is no reason a sane, peaceful, law abiding person should do that. The people who lit the fire should be held accountable and put in jail.
The next day, people were standing there with police present and they were being peaceful. Just because they were at the sight of a crime does not make them criminals and does not mean they deserved tear gas.

Just one more way Trump is imitating Putin, Kim Il Jong, and the rest of them. I don't know what he was trying to prove just standing there with a Bible.

[Edited on 6/2/2020 by stormyrider]

 

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I have taken part in more than 1 peaceful protest in my life and witnessed many others - including the one last night on Main St in my town. Not one incident.

Unfortunately, like many things, it takes one or 2 bad apples to ruin it for everyone. I condemn the violence as much as you and anyone else here.
We can't, nor should we, put all of the protesters in 1 boat. Most are not there for violence or looting. Just like we can't blame all cops for the actions of a few, all Muslims for the actions of Al Qeuda, all priests, etc.

No, the violence is not Trump's fault. But he didn't rise to the occasion, the way Presidents have in the recent past. He does not know how to heal and unify. IN Charlottesville, he claimed there "were good people" when they were wearing white hoods and carrying swastikas. Someone died there too. He tries to anger, incite, and divide. That's his MO.

So, the church was burned the night before. That is disgusting, vile and beyond belief. There is no reason a sane, peaceful, law abiding person should do that. The people who lit the fire should be held accountable and put in jail.
The next day, people were standing there with police present and they were being peaceful. Just because they were at the sight of a crime does not make them criminals and does not mean they deserved tear gas.

Just one more way Trump is imitating Putin, Kim Il Jong, and the rest of them. I don't know what he was trying to prove just standing there with a Bible.


Well said. Let's be clear, there are "protesters" and there are "vandals/looters". Let's not combine the two. And criticism of Trump's tone-deaf response to all of this is not the same as blame.

 

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Well said. Let's be clear, there are "protesters" and there are "vandals/looters". Let's not combine the two. And criticism of Trump's tone-deaf response to all of this is not the same as blame.

^This.


 

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I have covered a couple of ORGANIZED protests (videographer).

ORGANIZED: Participants meet up before the "march" and discuss (among other things) responsible demonstration etiquette. Marching rows were organized with responsible types on each. Anybody seen throwing things or generating violence got removed.

Lastly, and to be completely fair: I watched (CNN) last night as Trump was making his "death and destruction" threats and comments. Some of the video was from right up front where the protestors and police came face to face. I could not help but notice that some of the protestors were right up in the officers faces. They seemed to be TRYING to bait the officers into violence. I am completely sympathetic with the movement (BLM - police violence towards people of color, etc.) - but I cannot sympathize with these types. In my opinion, they do nothing to further the cause.

 

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