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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 01:36 PM
And I see the cop now arrested. It is a start.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-mpd-officer-derek-chauvin-in-custo dy-charged-with-murder-in-george-floyds-death/ar-BB14LZHO?li=BBnb7Kz

 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 01:39 PM

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No I do not know what I am up to beyond making a simple point.


^ Ok, my bad, I thought you knew what you were doing. If you feel my nonsense does not apply to you, then don't take it personally - I posted a general comment, did not point you out.

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 01:43 PM
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^ Ok, my bad, I thought you knew what you were doing. If you feel my nonsense does not apply to you, then don't take it personally - I posted a general comment, did not point you out.


I am trying to understand the point you were trying to make. I know you have had extensive arguments with others on the whipping post here but we have not. I have a felling you think I have some hidden agenda.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 01:51 PM
Cool response, good work -

I don't think you have a hidden agenda - you strike me as honestly concerned, with a lot of good points and arguments.

What I am riffin on is how you and others here often deploy the "where is the outrage" red herring distraction. I suppose it is just a way of trying to make sense of it all, same as we are all doing. So I post riddles to illustrate approaches and attitudes because I don't want to get into direct accusing and fights.

e.g. Huge social catastrophe in Minneapolis, then this side argument on "where is the outrage" that looters aren't social distancing. Strikes me as deflection.

Forget it. Peace.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 02:05 PM
Fair enough. We don't know each other so unless we discuss something we are not going to guess where the other is coming from. We have been in the same threads that I have shared some of my discontent as a life long liberal with what I believe is too much group think currently on the left. Not applying this to you but using this to make a point. My sister puts today on her facebook one of those memes that speak to the well you probably hated players taking a knee. Which I think is ingrained a little ( maybe I am wrong about this intent ) in this thread. But I supported Kasepernick and believe he was blackballed from the league and I hate that. But that does not mean that I agree with his reaction to this event.

Too much now in my opinion everything is seen as some binary choice about Trump. I remain generally on the left even though I entirely disagree with the left reaction and solutions to covid 19. Hopefully that helps a little seeing where I am coming from.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 02:51 PM
Gotta agree man. Groupthink is a problem, made a lot worse by intstant mass communication. And agree on the Trump focus - we might as well call this the Whipping Trump by now. It is really bad how Trump has become this black hole pulling all frequencies into and through him like a distorted lens. He loves it, acts like he is all pissed off but everyone right and left is playing into his me me me thing.


 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 02:54 PM
Glad to see an arrest made, I have to wonder if this would have happened as quick without the backlash and hundreds of thousands calls flooding official's offices. I'm not saying burning and looting helps anything in the short or long term, but peaceful protests may not have yielded this arrest that fast.

The problem though is this clown should have been fired or at the very least reprimanded one of the first two times he shot somebody. He killed a man in 2006 when he shot and killed an allegedly armed man, and then he shot an unnamed man allegedly going for his gun, both instances had dubious facts and little or no evidence suggesting deadly force was needed.

Officer Tou was at the heart of a lawsuit when the city had to pay a 25g settlement out over his sadistic beating of an unnarmed man with no arrest warrant or probable cause. As cyclone mentioned he also threw away the mans hospital discharge papers and pain medication. He has NEVER been disciplined or discouraged by the dept.

This goes against my usually pacifist leanings and the concept of an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind but I do not believe officers Chauvin or Tou even deserve a trial. Use their own archaic tactics against them both seeing as both men have acted this way for over 10 years completely unchecked. They have already proven themselves guilty time and time again in the eyes of that community. No trial necessary, just throw em to the wolves.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 03:04 PM
The whole thing is really discouraging - then the other stuff coming up with the fusillade on Breonna Taylor's apartment in Louisville - I just don't think busting these couple cops is going to slow this down. It's gone Locomotive Breath by now
 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 03:13 PM
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The whole thing is really discouraging - then the other stuff coming up with the fusillade on Breonna Taylor's apartment in Louisville - I just don't think busting these couple cops is going to slow this down. It's gone Locomotive Breath by now


I need to check for updates, but Breonna's killers have not been arrested. They dropped rhe charges against her boyfriend who fired on the cops in self defense but unless I missed something all those Dirty Harry's are still free men.
One fact from that case that is very telling, the police were so indiscriminate and reckless in this unlawful drug raid at the wrong address, discharged rounds were found in at least three other units in her building.

 

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One fact from that case that is very telling, the police were so indiscriminate and reckless in this unlawful drug raid at the wrong address, discharged rounds were found in at least three other units in her building.


Saw that too, bullet holes in neighboring residences. Totally out of control. Turning a petty drug raid into a full on combat assault, looks to me like they are trying to provoke reactions so they can justify clampdown.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 04:15 PM
I think most of us agree we have a real and significant problem in this country with how blacks are treated by police and the courts. I do think we have to remember that while far too slowly we have made progress if one looks back and remembers from where we came. Thinking of MLK and the Birmingham movement and the freedom riders and Bull Connor and attack dogs openly used on protesters and Lester Maddux and George Wallace and such.

Having said that it is shameful that we still have so far to go in this matter. I believe I have mentioned before I have a brother who is a decorated retired police officer and he is quite frustrated with where law enforcement is these days and he said to me what is obvious in that that there is no police training anywhere that would justify how George Ford was handled. And the Arbery case as well shows we are not as far from the 60s events referenced above that we would wish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghqjBwZTiE

 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 04:28 PM
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https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5263960002

Forgery is now punishable by death without due process.


White people armed to to the teeth storming state capitols and protesting that their right to being socially irresponsible, entitled jagoffs is being violated is ok though.

Nasty scenes in 2020.



You know what Luke, the cop Derek Chauvin, who killed George Floyd, has a wife who was charged for writing a bad check for $42 to Mega Pick 'N Save West in Wisconsin in 2005. She was married to someone else at that time, Kujay Xiong. He died and she met Derek later. She's a beauty queen. No knee on her neck.

Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367283/wife-white-cop-kneeled-Geo rge-Floyds-neck-wrote-bad-check.html

Derek Chauvin the cop, and George Floyd also both worked as security guards at the same nightclub. The cop worked outside. George Floyd worked inside at El Nuevo Rodeo Bar and Restaurant on Lake Street. Club owner Maya Santamaria told local station KSTP. NY Post reports.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 04:37 PM
This is an example (of which I unfortunately have firsthand knowledge) of how there are truly two different justice systems.

About eight years ago a fifteen year old kid took his parents' car and picked up two of his friends for a joyride. A police officer tried to pull him over for speeding, and he floored it (100+ mph). He came around a curve and lost control and went straight into a telephone pole at the edge of the property where my wife and I were living at the time. The car burst into flames. He crawled out, but his two friends were dead instantly.

He was white and from a relatively wealthy area and family. He was sentenced to probation until he was 21 and could not get a driver's license until he was 21.

What would the cops and courts have done to a black kid in that scenario? Probably tried as an adult and convicted of two counts of reckless homicide.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 04:48 PM
The Chicago Tribune and Houston Chronicle have background info. On George Floyd. He is survived by two daughters [different Mothers], a six year old Gianna Floyd, her Mom, Roxie Washington in Houston. He moved to Minneapolis when his long time friend, Christopher Harris told him to come there that there were jobs. He lost his job in Houston because of the Covid-19 shutdown. He worked two jobs most the time once he arrived, security at the Salvation Army, driving trucks, as a bouncer at a Conga Latin Bistro where the owner had only flattering things to say like he was always cheerful, had a good attitude, was a Gentle Giant.

Https://www.chron.com/news/Houston-texas/houston/article/George-Floyd-polic e-brutality-minneapolis-dead-vid-15296192.php

Was he an angel? Well he did have an arrest for armed robbery in a home invasion in Texas in 2007. He got 5 years on a plea deal.

Other than that one incident there is nothing else except someone trying to work hard help support two children. He should not be dead like this. He was already handcuffed there was no need to keep him on the ground and cut off his airway. We have seen the videos.

The policeman had 18 previous complaints against him 12 of which were for police brutality. The nature and substance of those complaints and dispositions are not known at this time.





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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 04:55 PM
Sh!tload of great posts here!!! Stay on it People...............and stay away from other Peoples........joe
 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 05:05 PM
Furthermore was the arrest of Omar Jimenez, CNN Reporter and his team. He identified himself and was still arrested while live television coverage was rolling.

Https://www.Twitter.com/OmarJimenez

Https://www.cnn.it/2M8PJA5

He needs a PRESS vest like they wear while on assignment in places like Afghanistan. In a riot area a bulletproof vest would be nice but at least something like the vests used by Marathon runners to identify them from a distance. There are those who may dislike CNN, so just have PRESS on it usually it is dark blue with white lettering so they are easily identified.

He could have been shot. This is very serious. Even Mahmoud Ahmadinejad former head of Iran commented on the killing of George Floyd.

Violence needs to stop, but I do understand when people feel like they have no choice they will use anything they have, like their bodies in Palestine to protest. Someone recently said we need to think about this because what cop in broad daylight would do this where there were witnesses? Why would he risk losing his pension? Christopher Harris was one of the guys with George Floyd. He was wearing the red pants and white shirt and was getting arrested for no real reason. What happened to him?












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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 07:37 PM
Https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/US/Minneapolis-protests-George-Floyd-dea th.html

Protests in NYC had 72 arrested yesterday. Protests continued today. Erroll Garner's Mom attended. Al Sharpton is heading to Minneapolis. The National Guard there instituted an 8 pm curfew. The White House, the Trump White House was put on lockdown by Secret Service, protests there too at Lafayette Park and Pennsylvania Avenue. Reporters not allowed to leave. They are in the Press Briefing room. There is a CNN reporter in there, sure hope Jim Acosta is not stuck there too. LOCKDOWN LIFTED.

Other officers identified at the scene of the murder of George Floyd are Thomas Lane, Tou Thao, and J. Alexander Keung.

How go they explain a handcuffed man being held down on the ground ?

And why was he pulled out of the squad car in the first place?



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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 07:58 PM
The Floyd family has asked for an independent autopsy. Dr. Michael Baden who examined Eric Garner [the man killed in a police chokehold whose plea of I Can't Breathe galvanized a nation], arrives in Minneapolis tomorrow Saturday per Attorney, Benjamin Crump.

Https://www.foxnews.com/US/George-Floyd-family-enlists-Dr-Michael-Baden-to- perform-second-autopsy

The Minneapolis Police Handbook allows the use of knee on the neck restraint someone if they've been properly trained. After 2 minutes Mr. Floyd said no more and was either unconscious or dead yet that knee remained pushing on his neck for more than 7 more minutes.

The use of holding someone down with a knee on their neck should be stopped and revoked immediately as a permissible policy because either the cop in question did not know how to do it without harming someone or he just did it till he felt satisfied with the results. If he was not properly trained the police department is responsible.

Either way this cannot happen again. It must not.


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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 09:38 PM
What is being allowed to happen in Minneapolis is outrageous. What in the world are the Governor and Mayor doing ? This is crazy.
 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 10:27 PM
Don't look now tbomike, cause if You do, You gonna see severely pissed off People all over this country............joe
 

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  posted on 5/29/2020 at 10:30 PM
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Don't look now tbomike, cause if You do, You gonna see severely pissed off People all over this country............joe


I have seen it. I hope you are not one thinking burning cars and buildings and causing destruction is a worthy way to get results. More innocent people will be getting hurt.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2020 at 07:39 AM
Https://news.yahoo.com/surveillance-video-moments-leading-george-170328026. html

New video NBC obtained clearly show George Floyd was handcuffed before being taken across the street to the police car of Derek Chauvin where he was pinned on the ground and died.

What was the reason to put him on the ground?

Derek Chauvin's wife just filed for divorce.

Https://www.nypost.com/2020/05/30/wife-of-ex-cop-derek-chauvin-reportedly-f iling-for-divorce

She us represented by Sekula Law Offices and filed on the day he was arrested. Statement from law firm:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8371633/wife-minneapolis-cop-derek -chauvin-files-divorce-day-hes-charged-george-floyds-murder.html







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Https://www.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-puts-military-police-alert-051546322.ht ml

"Insurrection, 1807?"



 

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  posted on 5/30/2020 at 07:48 AM
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What was the reason to put him on the ground?



To satisfy officer Chauvin's sadistic bloodlust most likely. I saw a news bit about Floyd and Chauvin working security at the same night club like you pointed out. Floyd would have been working inside as a bouncer and Chauvin was an off duty cop working security outside at the door so it's possible they never really crossed paths or worked side by side, but both were indeed working the same club in the same time frame.

The club's owner expressed she was often creeped out by Chauvin, she said he had a very short fuse and was very quick to go for his pepper spray in situations she did not think called for it. Surprise surprise

 

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Don't look now tbomike, cause if You do, You gonna see severely pissed off People all over this country............joe

I have seen it. I hope you are not one thinking burning cars and buildings and causing destruction is a worthy way to get results. More innocent people will be getting hurt.


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