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  posted on 6/6/2020 at 10:06 AM
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With regard to what is going on with these protests.

1. BLM wants change.


Like Defund Police.

No Minneapolis police department. Wonder how that would work out? Yup, I'm done wondering, it would be disaster. But hey, let them try it and see how they like it. How many people would move out and how many businesses would close?

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Council member Jeremiah Ellison, son of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison — who is leading the case against the officers involved in Floyd’s death — took a more radical approach.

“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department. And when we’re done, we’re not simply gonna glue it back together. We are going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It’s really past due,” Ellison wrote on Twitter Thursday.


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Council President Lisa Bender joined Ellison’s call to dismantle the department.

“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department and replace it with a transformative new model of public safety,” Bender wrote on Twitter Thursday.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/501321-members-of-min neapolis-city-council-vow-to-dismantle-police




From what I read they would have small security forces for different things in the city. Some departments like the schools have cancelled their contracts with the police department, also parks and recreation etc. They have these old 1950's like black and white cars and apparently people really hate them. I watched demonstrations yesterday they just don't look like other forces I have seen.

Check out the Australian NineNews coverage of the protests. Unreal.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2020 at 10:22 AM
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I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.

Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in- solidarity-of-cops

Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.

Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.




I don't like seeing the man get hurt, but what was he doing approaching...with police advancing the wrong thing to do is to advance towards them. Police were doing their job.


He had a card or piece of paper in his hand. Either showing them something or wanting to give them something. They cannot push, shove or throw people to the ground and I have seen such horror in live coverage all over. They just regard people as dirtbags.

They also saw he was bleeding and one cop said he is bleeding from his ear and others saw blood under his head and they just walk away. Where is the Justice For Martin Gugino?




If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do? Walk past him, that defeats the purpose of making a perimeter or expanding it if you let people behind it. He should've been told to move, he didn't move...guess they should've just arrested him in hindsight. You can see the body language and look of the guy who pushed him down, that is not what he wanted to happen. It is an unfortunate result of the man encroaching on police movement.

National Guardsman knelt down to his side and another officer, appeared to be a superior, radioed for medical.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2020 at 10:49 AM
Guess they are just going to have to come up with a more flexible approach.
 

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  posted on 6/6/2020 at 11:53 AM
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Guess they are just going to have to come up with a more flexible approach.


True. That is what it will come to. They charged the officers with assault, so my defense of them is legally wrong.

With the other officers quitting the emergency response tram in protest, I think what if the police just went on strike? Like May Day, one day police officers all stayed home. Think people would miss them much?

 

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  posted on 6/6/2020 at 11:56 AM
Large protest and march in KC last night.

No police around...at all...recipe for disaster?
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No rioting
No property damage
No arrests
Lots of signs and chants
Everyone went home around 11

Hmmmmm.

 

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I want to clarify something regarding carnage in Buffalo.

Https://www.nypost.com/2020/06/05/buffalo-emergency-response-team-quits-in- solidarity-of-cops

Martin Gugino a 75 year old peace activist was was pushed to the ground his skull was fractured, and the cops that pushed him left him there to die. He is in the hospital.

Some reports say the entire 57 members of the Buffalo Emergency Response Team quit. Well fine but the only quit THAT unit. They are still cops on the force including the two who pushed Mr. Gugino down. They were suspended but that's all.




I don't like seeing the man get hurt, but what was he doing approaching...with police advancing the wrong thing to do is to advance towards them. Police were doing their job.


He had a card or piece of paper in his hand. Either showing them something or wanting to give them something. They cannot push, shove or throw people to the ground and I have seen such horror in live coverage all over. They just regard people as dirtbags.

They also saw he was bleeding and one cop said he is bleeding from his ear and others saw blood under his head and they just walk away. Where is the Justice For Martin Gugino?




If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do? Walk past him, that defeats the purpose of making a perimeter or expanding it if you let people behind it. He should've been told to move, he didn't move...guess they should've just arrested him in hindsight. You can see the body language and look of the guy who pushed him down, that is not what he wanted to happen. It is an unfortunate result of the man encroaching on police movement.

National Guardsman knelt down to his side and another officer, appeared to be a superior, radioed for medical.


Totally. Screw that old man. Deserved it.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2020 at 12:18 PM
City of Tucson, AZ just made it a crime to take a video of police.

That’s good. Now all those dangerous protesters chanting and holding cardboard signs can get the s—t knocked out of them without anyone knowing, like it should be.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2020 at 12:26 PM
^ Bad. That is some deep clampdown.
 

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City of Tucson, AZ just made it a crime to take a video of police.

That’s good. Now all those dangerous protesters chanting and holding cardboard signs can get the s—t knocked out of them without anyone knowing, like it should be.


I do not think this is true.

Are you talking about the law they passed in April of this year that requires "first amendment auditors" and the like to stay outside of crime scene boundaries while they video?

I can't find where it is a crime to take video of police.

It is now a crime to enter a crime scene boundary that is marked by tape, physical barriers or expressly communicated that the area has restricted access.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2020 at 10:01 PM
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If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do?


Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2020 at 11:24 AM
^ Muleman.
 

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  posted on 6/8/2020 at 06:28 PM
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Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.


The man was ignoring police orders, and advancing on his own free will TOWARDS the police in riot gear. He then proceeded to extend out his arm towad the officer. The contact was gentle. He fell because he's old, and ignored orders. The officers around him knew there were paramedics on site. This is the exact type of liberal mentality that puts our officers in harms way. #bluelivesmatter


There are paramedics on site, let's bust some senior skull. Got it.


 

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  posted on 6/8/2020 at 07:28 PM
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If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do?


Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.


Hey, we agree 100% on something.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2020 at 07:39 PM
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Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.


The man was ignoring police orders, and advancing on his own free will TOWARDS the police in riot gear. He then proceeded to extend out his arm towad the officer. The contact was gentle. He fell because he's old, and ignored orders. The officers around him knew there were paramedics on site. This is the exact type of liberal mentality that puts our officers in harms way. #bluelivesmatter


No, your excuse is the type of mentality that causes people to riot, which puts other police officers at risk having to deal with the aftermath. There are a lot of ways they could have handled it in an acceptable manner, but instead they chose one of the worst possible ways they could have dealt with it. Hey, I have a lot of respect for police and the difficult and dangerous work police do everyday, but using excessive force is only going to make their job more difficult in the long term.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2020 at 09:15 PM
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There are at least one million people heading to Washington, DC tomorrow for the renaming of a street there that the Mayor has authorized be renamed Black Lives Matter Blvd.

With regard to what is going on with these protests.

1. BLM wants change.


From the Chicago Sun-Times 6/8/2020

"Five people were killed and 30 others were wounded in shootings across Chicago over the weekend."

How many of these people were shot by the Police?

You want change?...Start in your neighborhood.

 

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There are at least one million people heading to Washington, DC tomorrow for the renaming of a street there that the Mayor has authorized be renamed Black Lives Matter Blvd.

With regard to what is going on with these protests.

1. BLM wants change.


From the Chicago Sun-Times 6/8/2020

"Five people were killed and 30 others were wounded in shootings across Chicago over the weekend."

How many of these people were shot by the Police?

You want change?...Start in your neighborhood.





Yes, as always let's compare poverty and gangs to police violence....

Completely different problem...... but let's just bring up "Chicago" again and again..

 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 05:31 AM
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let's bust some senior skull. Got it.


I never said such a thing. If you are saying the officer intentionally tried to push him over, I’d have to disagree.


You said the "contact was gentle". Intentional or not, the guy's in the hospital.

They pushed the wrong guy.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 06:03 AM
Then they stepped over him while he was bleeding as if he was roadkill
 

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Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.

Not according to your President who managed to twist this into victim-blaming, even though the two officers have been charged with second-degree assault.
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The president tweeted on Tuesday about the video footage from protests last week in Buffalo, New York: “Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment.”

He then tagged the conservative news outlet, One America News, and added: “I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-buffalo -antifa-police-protest-black-lives-matter-martin-gugino-twitter-a9556566.ht ml

 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 06:10 PM
I know this makes me look bad with people that I like here, I don't like that, but I have to be honest, I continue to believe that the two Buffalo officers were not wrong to push that man. They are charged, I respect the charges and the legal process, the officers will have the opportunity to defend themselves and we'll see what comes of it. I am on their side, I don't know what the courts will decide, we'll have to live with whatever the results are.

They used force. What constitutes excessive force? If the man had not fallen down, would that be force or excessive force? Since he unfortunately fell and was badly injured that means the force was excessive? So the result of the force, not the intent of the force is determining factor? I'm asking, I really don't know. If they pushed him with the same force and he just stumbles and stays on his feet would we be having this conversation?

Whatever Trump said about the man, I'm not going there. I don't care what Trump said or not. It doesn't make a difference to me who he is. His age, race, sex, political affiliation matters not. I do not think the actions of the police was excessive. Here is a clip from CNN, from the Buffalo Mayor as to why the front line officers did not administer aid:

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Mayor Byron Brown told CNN's Chris Cuomo on Friday night that he was told that emergency response team officers are trained to keep moving forward.

"Embedded with them are medics, officers with first-aid training," he said. "The medics were just behind the first line unit that continued to move forward, and within seconds, the medics rendered first-aid assistance."

 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 07:02 PM
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I read an article today, try to provide link tomorrow. George Floyd was said to become resistant after initially being handcuffed while he in handcuffs and in the police car. They pulled him out. "He had foam at the sides of his mouth" and fell down at the squad car. He was probably having an epileptic seizure which results in jerking movements. They said his "body stiffened up" when he was standing. This was before he was walked across the street and put on the ground with the knee to his neck.

I looked at one of the pictures of him on the ground with the knee on his neck, you can see white stuff in the corner of his mouth.

I think he was not resisting arrest at all, at any time. He had a seizure, made jerky movements including falling down which P.O Chauvin mistook as resistance. The officer had no reason to take him out of the car after P.O. Lane had handcuffed him and out him in the car.

Epileptics can pass out while seizing. Putting a knee on the neck of someone who just had a seizure is deadly.

Https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-cop-derek-chauvin-appears-182845312.html
"Ex cop Derek Chauvin appears in court, gets 1.25 Milion Bail in George Floyd Murder Case".


NY Times video also shows they made an EMS call he was bleeding from the mouth. They called in a "320" to EMS. Before putting him on the ground. They never got off his neck even then after they knew he had been bleeding from the mouth and had foam at the corners of his mouth.

Https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007159353/george-floyd-arrest-death- video.html

Https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-police-bodycam-video-released-fall ing-death-george-floyd-n121666
The park policeman is talking to the two people who were in the car with Floyd after Floyd was taken across the street. He says a "320" was called in. That's for EMS help. This was before Floyd was put on the ground and knee'd to death.

Https://www.fox9.com/video/688157
Three officers try to get Floyd out of the car before he was handcuffed. He was not able to stand on his own.

Https://www.minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/26/george-floyd-man-dies-after-b eing-arrested-by-minneapolis-police-fbi-called-to-investigate
People on the scene even told at least Officer Thou what they were observing which was Floyd bleeding from his nose. Was he having a stroke?

FBI were called [to scrub the evidence?].









[Edited on 6/10/2020 by gina]

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 07:04 PM
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If the police are moving forward trying to secure an area and somebody approaches them what are the police supposed to do?


Well, I'll tell what you should not do, under no circumstances do you push a senior citizen to the ground and walk away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.


Hey, we agree 100% on something.


And I agree with him as well.

muleturd continues to embarrass himself with every moronic post.

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 08:36 PM
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muleturd continues to embarrass himself with every moronic post.


Hilarious new schtick tho - he used to act all John Wayne with the "son" and "junior" macho redneck swagger - now his posts are like when the gentleman pulls up next to you in a Rolls and says, "Grey Poupon?"

Won't last long, he is a seether.

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  posted on 6/10/2020 at 07:57 AM
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but I have to be honest, I continue to believe that the two Buffalo officers were not wrong to push that man.


Agreed. I wouldn’t even call it a push, but people on the left have determined that he “pushed a senior citizen to the ground and walked away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.” Please.




Maybe because ... that's EXACTLY what happened!
How can you not be outraged that police officers pushed (and HELL YES, it was a push!) a 70+ year-old man to the ground and just stepped over him after noticing blood coming from his head? You're really alright with this?

 

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but I have to be honest, I continue to believe that the two Buffalo officers were not wrong to push that man.


Agreed. I wouldn’t even call it a push, but people on the left have determined that he “pushed a senior citizen to the ground and walked away while blood comes out of his ear and spills on the ground.” Please.




And the flush down the fascist toilet continues.


 
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