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  posted on 5/11/2020 at 07:31 PM
Thought this deserved its own thread - spinoff from a post in the Enemy Behind Wire thread.

Of course all the mindless sheeple wont see Obamagate for the national disgrace it is. But we superior intelligent few remaining with the ability to think - WE KNOW. WE KNOW ALL ABOUT OBAMAGATE. TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPENED!!!!

From the post in other thread:

Trump Accuses Obama Of A Crime In White House Press Briefing

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/05/11/trump-accuses-obama- of-a-crime-in-white-house-press-briefing/#c1d70e663e8e

Here are 2 paragraphs of the article. Trump is the personification of leadership.

"Referring to his tweet on Sunday accusing Obama of “the biggest political crime in American history, by far,” Washington Post reporter Philip Rucker asked Trump, “What crime exactly are you accusing President Obama of committing and do you believe the Justice Department should prosecute him?”

Trump replied, “Obamagate. it’s been going on for a long time. It’s a disgrace that it happened. And if you look at what’s gone on and if you look at now all of this information that’s being released, and from what I understand that’s only the beginning, some terrible things happened.”

[Edited on 5/12/2020 by BrerRabbit]

 
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  posted on 5/11/2020 at 08:33 PM
Not my cup of tea but some others might play.

I listened to the press conference today.

One would think that if a charge is going to be levied against a former President, that the person asserting the charge could explain maybe a little bit about what he is talking about. But not in Trump world. Trump's not good at explaining things.

 

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  posted on 5/11/2020 at 09:07 PM
What part of "biggest crime in political history by far" requires explanation? It is a bold and valiant declaration, but of course all the mealymouth backbiting liberal wishywashers will pick it apart. Heeminy heeminy wah wah waaah whine snivel lower lip quiver.

btw I move we start capitalizing the letter 'H' in 'He' when referring to Trump.


 

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  posted on 5/11/2020 at 11:23 PM
I'm still waiting for Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to arrest Hillary for reasons.
 

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  posted on 5/12/2020 at 01:41 PM
Obamagate will go down in history as the biggest national disgrace this country has ever seen.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2020 at 06:27 PM

Let your line out, little by little. Every once in a while give your wrist a little twitch. Reel up slowly, then speed up.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2020 at 06:51 PM
Damn, Redhats just aint bitin today

 

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  posted on 5/12/2020 at 08:01 PM
In 2015, Obama and Biden went to Obama's birthplace in Kenya. There, they met a member of the Deep State. They gave him Flynn's picture and said Go Get Him!

Then, they went to a local Ebola cave. The picked up a colony of bats. They took this colony to Wuhan, China. For a large sum of money, they told the Chinese to create supervirus and release it late in Trump's 1st term, just in time to derail Trumps bid for re election. They then shorted stock in clorox, lysol, toilet paper, chloroquine, remdesevir, and all of the known makers of N 95s, ventilators, and funeral homes. In this way, they would derail Trump and make billions of dollars.

Edit - please do not copy and paste this onto FB or other social media
1)I want the movie rights
2)I'm truly afraid someone will read it, believe it, and send it to Fox News. Then Sean Hannity will do an expose piece conjuring up evidence and Trump will tweet about it.



[Edited on 5/13/2020 by stormyrider]

 

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  posted on 5/12/2020 at 08:20 PM
Holy crap man you are the new Bob Woodward! This story is a bombshell!
 

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  posted on 5/13/2020 at 07:23 AM
OK, jeez, I'll chum the water:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/graham-calls-on-grenell-flynn-unmasking-names

 

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  posted on 5/13/2020 at 09:11 AM
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OK, jeez, I'll chum the water:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/graham-calls-on-grenell-flynn-unmasking-names


That's it? No wonder Trump couldn't list any crime Obama was involved in. That's some weak sauce there.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2020 at 09:31 AM
^ "biggest crime in political history by far" is NOT weak sauce. Scoff now, just you wait til this thing blows wide open, Redhats a-gonna be line-dancin on liberal graves to the tune of Cat Scratch Fever!
 

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  posted on 5/13/2020 at 04:02 PM
My hatred for the stubby-fingered, draft-dodging, orange-tub-of-lard is reaching unhealthy levels.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2020 at 07:52 PM
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My hatred for the stubby-fingered, draft-dodging, orange-tub-of-lard is reaching unhealthy levels.


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  posted on 5/13/2020 at 09:17 PM
The right is very fired up about this today.

Can anyone tell me, I'm feeling a little tired tonight, have the transcripts of these Flynn conversations in which he was unmasked ever been released?

That is my immediate inquiry...were these conversations so alarming that a number of people felt it necessary to learn who the American on the other end was.

The fact he was unmasked and by who the right thinks is all political enemy motivated. But I'd rather first know, what exactly were the conversations, or is that still classified?

The leaking of Flynn's name is serious, but we still don't (and probably never will) know who leaked it to the press.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2020 at 11:18 AM
I don't know all the answers (or any)
Here is what I know

requests for unmasking are common. There have been progressively more requests made by the Trump admin, more than the Obama admin

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That is my immediate inquiry...were these conversations so alarming that a number of people felt it necessary to learn who the American on the other end was.


requests for unmasking are prompted when someone has contact with a foreigner who is under suspicion, and the reader of the report thinks it's important to know who that person is. As Cheney said - if you aren't calling any terrorists we won't be checking your phone records

requests for unmasking are made by saying "who is person 1?" They couldn't have known it was Flynn or anyone associated with Trump when they asked. If they did know that, they wouldn't have to ask. It couldn't have been politically motivated because they didn't know who it was

There is a procedure for these requests which were supposedly followed.

[Edited on 5/14/2020 by stormyrider]

 

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  posted on 5/14/2020 at 01:25 PM
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They then shorted stock in clorox, lysol, toilet paper, chloroquine, remdesevir, and all of the known makers of N 95s, ventilators, and funeral homes. In this way, they would derail Trump and make billions of dollars.


And yet this portion of your screenplay seems to be true in that Richard Burr has stepped down as Chair, Senate Intelligence Committee pending the DOJ/SEC investigation for insider trading - selling stocks based on nonpublic knowledge re COVID-19 while Trump was still saying it was nothing & before the market tanked.

I suppose this begs the question - aside from is anyone in this administration NOT crooked - is whether Trump will have Barr intervene in this investigation or whether he made an after-the-fact intervention for Flynn.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2020 at 04:54 PM
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They then shorted stock in clorox, lysol, toilet paper, chloroquine, remdesevir, and all of the known makers of N 95s, ventilators, and funeral homes. In this way, they would derail Trump and make billions of dollars.


And yet this portion of your screenplay seems to be true in that Richard Burr has stepped down as Chair, Senate Intelligence Committee pending the DOJ/SEC investigation for insider trading - selling stocks based on nonpublic knowledge re COVID-19 while Trump was still saying it was nothing & before the market tanked.

I suppose this begs the question - aside from is anyone in this administration NOT crooked - is whether Trump will have Barr intervene in this investigation or whether he made an after-the-fact intervention for Flynn.


Is it not apparent how crooked and desparate Trump is? We can't say that he has become desparate because the signs of this have been since day 1, but he's finally met his match in a pandemic that is defeating him in spite of his blaming evertone and everthing & taking zero responsibility. His criticism of Dr. Faucii who holds more than 30 pct approval rating over Trump, political actions and statements in the last several months and especially the last few weeks and days (such as Flynn, unmasking and wanting the GOP Senate to have Obama testify on Russia probe & surveillance). Trump is so desparate to change the narrative from his failures on pandemic response, and the closer he gets to election worrying that he may lose that who knows what he will do tomorrow. Does anyone honestly think he projects a steady hand and the leadership that is needed at times like this? He is a dangerous man corrupting the government and running away from pandemic and massive deaths.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2020 at 06:53 PM
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Does anyone honestly think he projects a steady hand and the leadership that is needed at times like this? He is a dangerous man corrupting the government and running away from pandemic and massive deaths.

You're right. He's desperate to change a narrative that simply can't be changed. He's coming up w/increasingly bizarre accusations & deflections yet COVID-19 isn't beaten. In fact, it's expanding to children - previously thought to be an untouched group. His head may explode if public schools aren't open for classes in the fall.

The one thing he underestimates is the will of people. He can declare a win, but he can't force anyone to return to business as usual. Not surprisingly, the three largest private office space users in Manhattan have evaluated the situation & decided having employees at home works fine for them. They're prepared to reduce their footprint by massive square footage even if they incur penalties for breaking a lease. This is great for the efficiency of the organization & its shareholders - not so great for real estate owners, mortgage holders, & municipal tax revenue. No doubt employers throughout the country will come to the same conclusion.

Small business owners, too, may decide that operating at 10-50% capacity for an undetermined time (until there's a vaccine? contact tracing? what?) isn't going to keep them in the black & close. It's one thing to allow opening; it's another for it to happen. He's banking on if we re-open it, they will come. I'm not so sure.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2020 at 08:06 PM
I agree with you
And yet
A large proportion of republicans think he is doing a good
job. Fox is helping to brainwash people

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he gets soundly beaten in the popular but wins the electoral

 

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  posted on 5/14/2020 at 08:24 PM
I looked it up today. The transcripts between Flynn and Kisylak have never been released. Grassley and Feinstein co-signed a letter requesting the transcripts Feb 2017. To this day they do not have them.

I think that would fill in a huge blank. I'm not ready to say that any unmasking was evidence of wrong-doing...even though several of the people who asked for the unmasking couldn't remember doing so when they testified before Congress (Clapper did remember unmasking 'somebody', but said he couldn't discuss).

Flynn may've been set-up in entrapment without any evidence against him. Barr says what he lied about wasn't material to any charges. What did he lie about "did you order pizza last night"? If Barr and Grenell are releasing things, they should release the transcripts to tell the whole story.

One thing is for sure, with coronavirus around us, Flynn once again should be masked.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2020 at 08:25 PM
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I agree with you
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A large proportion of republicans think he is doing a good
job. Fox is helping to brainwash people

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he gets soundly beaten in the popular but wins the electoral


It's still a long way until election time, and a lot can happen, but if the election happened today I think he loses, and loses big. The only swing states that are looking decent for him are Wisconsin and Ohio. If you believe the polls, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, North Carolina all look like losers for Trump. Florida isn't looking good for Trump either (I imagine talks of cuts of social security and Medicare aren't sitting well with the retirees down there). Even Texas looks competitive. Yeah, I know, here comes the talk of polls not being accurate in 2016, but the National polls showed Clinton up by 2 points, and she won the national vote by that margin. National polls show Biden up by 6 at the moment.

By the way, there is an interesting discussion on fivethirtyeight.com on why so many people think Trump is going to win despite being behind in the polls. It's an interesting read.

[Edited on 5/15/2020 by 2112]

 

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  posted on 5/20/2020 at 12:35 PM
The right thinks they have their new smoking gun, a fully declassified Susan Rice email to herself documenting a conversation between President Obama and James Comey regarding Michael Flynn.



I really do not see the big deal here either.

Off the bat it might seem odd that Susan Rice would email herself...almost as if she is trying to document something in a scripted way so if it is later discovered it can be pointed to as all being "by the book". I'll agree that might be suspicious, although I sometimes email myself on things I want to remember.

This new declassification doesn't in any way further the President's or the right's gotta on Obamagate. If so how?

We need the actual transcripts released between Kislyak and Flynn. The fact we are getting all this other stuff declassified and not that is rather telling. Probably because their conversations were of things that raised concerns in the intelligence community and administration. If that is truly the case Trump would never green light that to be declassified because it would provide justification for the unmaksing and the suspicion of Flynn's intent and actions.

What am I missing here? Where are our right-wing friends when we need to to expose everything?


 

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  posted on 5/20/2020 at 12:59 PM
How come I have a feeling Trump is going to end up giving Flynn the Presidential Medal of Freedom and Putin is going to give him Russia's equivalent?
 
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