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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 11:35 AM
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"Stuff" - because you keep asking about a particular LAW regarding wearing masks -as requested and suggested by people like SCIENTISTS, shop owners, fellow human beings ... and stuff. Do you even know how a LAW becomes such? Do you understand the process and the TIME that it takes to get legislation in place? By the time an actual LAW could be enacted, we could lose great numbers of people (taxpayers ... and stuff).

Just sign that ventilator waiver!


Yes, I do understand, thank you! I will wear a mask when I see fit, not because it is a courtesy, not because I've been told, or it has been mandated or requested.

You do you and I will do me.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 11:51 AM
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Cyclone88, thanks for your numerous posts on this.

I didn't intend to be a crusader, but labeling the acts of wearing masks, social distancing, & contact as "left/right" when it's a worldwide health issue is ludicrous. My comments started w/Pence - not in his position as VP but as the leader of the US COVID-19 Task Force - rejecting the policy of the #1 US hospital administration. I don't care what political party he is. Right now, he represents the US response to COVID-19 & he defied the hospital's well thought out policy. Hearing from Mayo that he refused a mask he was given is incredible to me. The refusal to distance & elbow bumping a plasma donor surpass incredulity.

Liberal-shaming people who're complying w/guidelines & policies is counter-productive to mitigating a deadly virus.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 12:40 PM
It all seems like a catch-22, the longer you shelter in place, the longer you need to shelter in place. May not be true, but certainly has that feel to it.
As far as essential workers go, maybe Friday and Saturday nights Bars, Casinos and Stripclubs are open, and grocery stores close? Just a thought. As a great philosopher once said “Unless they are paying your nut, no one has the right to tell you how to make a living”. That philosopher of course, Christopher Moltisanti.
This is a geezer disease, 3 out of 4 fatalities are over the age of 65. If you’re under 40 the odds of dying are extremely small. So, the older you get, the closer you are to dying. Nothing new. Is it wise to shut down the workforce (65 and under), to protect those over 65? Are we doing the senior citizens any favor by slowing the spread? I understand keeping things tightly wrapped until hospital capacity is brought up, but keeping economy wrapped after that? Officials have some ‘splaining to do. Certainly in favor of extra money being spent on nursing homes. But in general, I think us geezers can fend for ourselves. We need the younger generation out there making some bucks so they can pay our social security checks.... We all know how that works, right?

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 01:01 PM
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So we just have to be patient with our slowcoaches. They will tire of being laughed at eventually.


Interesting theory and attempt at making it seem as though it has already been accepted in the annals of time as being the right thing to do.

"The World Health Organization and the CDC have repeatedly said that most people do not need to wear masks unless they are sick and coughing."

I believe this falls under the guise and sheep mentality thought process that "Doing something, is better than doing nothing".....

Have you seen that person, driving in a car by themselves, wearing a mask? I think there are an equal amount of examples of people reacting solely because of the immense amount of time they are spending in front of their TVs reacting to the fear being sold by the media.

Follow the money.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 01:14 PM
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It all seems like a catch-22, the longer you shelter in place, the longer you need to shelter in place. May not be true, but certainly has that feel to it.
As far as essential workers go, maybe Friday and Saturday nights Bars, Casinos and Stripclubs are open, and grocery stores close? Just a thought. As a great philosopher once said “Unless they are paying your nut, no one has the right to tell you how to make a living”. That philosopher of course, Christopher Moltisanti.
This is a geezer disease, 3 out of 4 fatalities are over the age of 65. If you’re under 40 the odds of dying are extremely small. So, the older you get, the closer you are to dying. Nothing new. Is it wise to shut down the workforce (65 and under), to protect those over 65? Are we doing the senior citizens any favor by slowing the spread? I understand keeping things tightly wrapped until hospital capacity is brought up, but keeping economy wrapped after that? Officials have some ‘splaining to do. Certainly in favor of extra money being spent on nursing homes. But in general, I think us geezers can fend for ourselves. We need the younger generation out there making some bucks so they can pay our social security checks.... We all know how that works, right?


One of the most f*cked up posts I've ever wasted 20 seconds of my life on.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 01:17 PM
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Researchers at the Woodstock Institute have reversed an earlier recomndation. Their new stance, “Go ahead and take that brown acid, its worth a try”. Thus a possible end to this global pandemic...


They found out that it's just brown sugar and cinnamon paste.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 01:55 PM
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Interesting theory and attempt at making it seem as though it has already been accepted in the annals of time as being the right thing to do.


Unk say: "Ana wana kava pipi". It took thousands of years for loin covering to be recognized as common sense.


"Common sense" or socially unacceptable?

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 02:17 PM
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Thought experiment: Given your resistance-based outlook, back in the mid-1800s when germ theory was developing, would you have been interested at all or would you have rejected it automatically?

Times change, personality types do not .


Haha! "resistance-based outlook"....

Would all people have worn face masks everywhere in the 1800's?

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 02:36 PM
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Would you have been part of the "drag population" laughing at handwashing in 1867? Surely you know yourself well enough to know which type of reaction you would have experienced in any era given your present mindset.


Am I in direct conflict with wearing a face mask just because everyone else is and the social and media driven pressure to do so with no definitive proof that it is helping. I can not speak to the mores of what people believed in 1867 anymore than you can.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 02:39 PM
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So we just have to be patient with our slowcoaches. They will tire of being laughed at eventually.

I don't care about the slowcoaches's positions. They can do whatever they want & accept the consequences to themselves & others. I think liberal-shaming for adhering to health guidelines in a pandemic is misguided at best & offensive at worst.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 02:50 PM
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So we just have to be patient with our slowcoaches. They will tire of being laughed at eventually.

I don't care about the slowcoaches's positions. They can do whatever they want & accept the consequences to themselves & others. I think liberal-shaming for adhering to health guidelines in a pandemic is misguided at best & offensive at worst.


I am curious as to why you've labeled it as "Liberal shaming"?

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 02:56 PM
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You're asking me?


I was not.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 03:16 PM
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Am I in direct conflict with wearing a face mask just because everyone else is and the social and media driven pressure to do so . . .

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Then who were you asking? Or was it more of a general question to the universe?


It was directed at Cyclone88....Curiosity.."I think liberal-shaming for adhering to health guidelines in a pandemic is misguided at best & offensive at worst." ....What does this mean?

"Liberal shaming"?

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 03:16 PM


I'm guessing this protester is almost out of smoke and not looking forward to resin hits.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 05:40 PM
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One of the most f*cked up posts I've ever wasted 20 seconds of my life on.


Is that how you greet a member we haven't seen for 5 years?

 

True Peach



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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 06:49 PM
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One of the most f*cked up posts I've ever wasted 20 seconds of my life on.


Is that how you greet a member we haven't seen for 5 years?


Is that what a member who hasn't been here for five years posts upon his return?

OK, fine. Welcome back Bruce. My 90+ year old family members, affectionately referred to as "geezers", sure are glad about your return

Better?

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 07:03 PM
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Have you seen that person, driving in a car by themselves, wearing a mask?
Follow the money.


To all y'all, QUIT STARING AT ME.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 07:19 PM
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I am sure it makes their day when you glare and stare in judgement of the sheeple at the red light stop.


Yep, that's what I was doing alright.....Glancing and noticing is now equated with...."Staring in Judgement".....

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So cut the "persecuted minority" act. You are the majority.


In choosing to not wear a mask?...Whad'ya know about that!....LOL, I have never claimed to be part of a "persecuted minority" and just because you have applied a label, does not make it so. Just chuckling over the amount of people who've forgotten how to think for themselves...

 

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Am I in direct conflict with wearing a face mask just because everyone else is and the social and media driven pressure to do so . . .

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Then who were you asking? Or was it more of a general question to the universe?


It was directed at Cyclone88....Curiosity.."I think liberal-shaming for adhering to health guidelines in a pandemic is misguided at best & offensive at worst." ....What does this mean?

"Liberal shaming"?


Bill Maher, YouTube. Liberal shaming. You'll love it.

 

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Am I in direct conflict with wearing a face mask just because everyone else is and the social and media driven pressure to do so . . .

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Then who were you asking? Or was it more of a general question to the universe?


It was directed at Cyclone88....Curiosity.."I think liberal-shaming for adhering to health guidelines in a pandemic is misguided at best & offensive at worst." ....What does this mean?

"Liberal shaming"?


Bill Maher, YouTube. Liberal shaming. You'll love it.


Looked. I see fat shaming and people who are ashamed to be white, but no "Liberal shaming" videos

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 07:38 PM
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. . .chuckling over the amount of people who've forgotten how to think for themselves...


How do you know they are not thinking for themselves?


I don't. Just a guess based on the populace's current skill set at "follow the leader"

 

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  posted on 4/30/2020 at 08:20 PM
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Just a guess based on the populace's current skill set at "follow the leader"


In a word - prejudice.


Your definition not mine and yes... I am getting used to your having to label everything.

 

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  posted on 5/1/2020 at 07:30 AM
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Would all people have worn face masks everywhere in the 1800's?

Well, some doctors in Europe did, though styles have certainly changed.

 

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  posted on 5/1/2020 at 09:54 AM
To wrap up my feelings on the masks, if that is what we should do in order to start coming out of our shells and open businesses then I'm fine with that. All other issues and concerns noted.

Ohio is extending the stay at home order until the end of May. As businesses open, there will be exceptions for activity related to those businesses. Today we have medical facilities and offices, veterinary places and dentists opening. May 4th distribution centers, manufacturing and construction that may've been closed or halted can resume. Same with general office locations. May 12th retail can open. Exceptions will be allowed for those on top of the already allowed exceptions for essential workers and essential needs plus exercise allowance.

I'm fine with a slow approach to reopen businesses with the precautions that are being put into place. But at this point, what does stay home mean now anyway? They want to keep people from congregating in parks and playing sports with close physical contact...that's fine. Hospitals and long term care and prisons are going to restrict visitation regardless of a stay at home order. I feel like those things can, and are addressed on their own without this broad stay at home order all while less and less people are going to be staying at home this month as they open businesses.

It makes me think of a seat belt sign on the airplane. I heard a pilot describe it once like this - you have to take the seat belt sign off occasionally because if you leave it on too long people are going to ignore it and get up and move around with the sign on. So you take it off every now and then and then put it back on and people are more likely to follow it.

There's going to be so many exceptions in it now, really it's going to get where the exception is staying at home.

More and more people have started to tune Dewine out. I guess I'm falling into that camp now. You tell people to stay at home all while activity is going to be increasing in the state this month...really the stay at home order is going to apply to fewer and fewer people in the coming days and weeks. It's run it's course and essentially become meaningless.

 

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  posted on 5/1/2020 at 10:03 AM
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A simple objective observation, no more, no less. Prejudice means to pre-judge. When you assume someone driving with a mask on is a sheeple not thinking for his or her self that is a pre-judgement.

Calling people sheep is bigotry.

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Here we go again, you with your need to label and help others understand what they really mean when they post things you disagree with. Maybe you can once again explain how California is really operating Concentration camps at the border?

Thanks in advance

 

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