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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 09:49 AM
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Regarding Glynn County (Golden Isles) and 2 new cases and a death after opening, due to the incubation period and time leading to getting tested I'd be willing to bet those people were infected several days to a week or two before the opening. ...


Correct as rain, I'm sure you are. Just pointing out that this fire is far from extinguished.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 11:22 AM
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I’m on the front lines of a state with a GOP Governor and we don’t have enough tests. In fact, we have the least per capital in all of NE. We can’t get the supplies.

There isn’t enough testing done. We have the desire and mechanics to do it. There are not enough materials

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@stormy, forgive me, but I'm confused on testing. Are there 2 types of tests - 1 for diagnosis & 1 for antibodies?

When you & the other experts say not enough tests, you mean diagnostic? They exist but they're not being made fast enough or distributed? They're supplied to the hospitals directly from the manufacturer? or are they rationed by the state?

I read that hold-ups were due to a lack of cotton for nasal swabs and the wrong size vial for the sample. That seems insane.

You & your wife stay safe!

There are 2 types of tests
The diagnostic test - swab, is to tell if you ARE infected
the antibody testtells if you had the disease and recovered

Both are important. The scary thing is that people can be infectious before symptoms develop or without even ever having them

The antibody test is still new and not widely available. There are many unapproved tests people are doing but I wouldn't trust them.

The diagnostic test, which is what I was referring to, as I believe was Fauci and the Governors, is available but there are not enough so we can't test enough people.
There are shortages of swabs and cartridges, depending upon where you live. We are getting our cartridges from FEMA but there aren't enough to give everyone all they need. They are giving priority to states with more cases, which is understandable but still a problem.

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 12:05 PM
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The antibody test is still new and not widely available. There are many unapproved tests people are doing but I wouldn't trust them.

The diagnostic test, which is what I was referring to, as I believe was Fauci and the Governors, is available but there are not enough so we can't test enough people. There are shortages of swabs and cartridges, depending upon where you live. We are getting our cartridges from FEMA but there aren't enough to give everyone all they need. They are giving priority to states with more cases, which is understandable but still a problem.


Got it, thanks. States are thinking about opening up even though they don't have enough diagnostic tests to determine if people - asymptomatic or not - have it. Makes no sense.

My confusion came from Cuomo's announcement of an antibody test developed in NY & tested on grocery store shoppers throughout the state that really isn't useful yet.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 12:15 PM
They are ramping up testing in Illinois, opening 4 sites for people to sit in line in their cars and get tested. Supposed to be for first responders, 65 and older, people showing symptoms and people under 65 with pre-existing conditions. They eventually will be able to do about 2900 per day total at these sites. The state capacity for processing the tests is around 10,000 per day... which they haven't hit yet.

Now that they are doing more testing, our number of positive for covid have been going up a lot - from 1000 per day to over 2000 per day....

 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 03:51 PM
Ohio today said that with Thermo Fisher being approved by the FDA to make reagent and a Cleveland dental product manufacturer will make swabs...Ohio will go from almost 4000 a day testing ability to 22,000 by May 27th. That must be what Governor Dewine meant earlier in saying "significant" increase in testing.

He also said that Ohio has a plan for contact tracing that will involve 1750 existing health care workers, volunteers and med school students.

Monday he is announcing plans for allowing some businesses to open. I will be very curious to hear both the justifications and the guidelines. Businesses not following guidelines can be reported to the department of health, as in if an employee or customer does not feel safe, the business will have to comply or will not be allowed to stay open.

Ohio case count appears to have peaked on 4/19 at 1380 (driven by large prison population tests) (4/19 was exactly when IHME had predicted we would peak in early April although the case count at the peak was way off). Since the peak our new case count this week has been 1317, 806, 392, 577 and 475. Hospitalizations are down a little, but more of a sustained plateau. 79% of Ohio's deaths are white, 17% are black. 47% of Ohio's deaths are 80 and older, 28% are aged 70-79. Ohio reports probable deaths as well as confirmed deaths in the total.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 10:22 AM
Another example of Captain Sh!t Bag doing all he can to make sure and get his donors (err I mean small public businesses) all the monies that were meant for them??............joe

One Trump Donor's Hotel Companies Got $96. 1 Million Meant for Small Businesses

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 11:41 AM
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Another example of Captain Sh!t Bag doing all he can to make sure and get his donors (err I mean small public businesses) all the monies that were meant for them??............joe

One Trump Donor's Hotel Companies Got $96. 1 Million Meant for Small Businesses

https://flip.it/PbZj9F



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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 12:47 PM
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I don't know ABBGMTTB, just don't seem like an upstanding and honest guy to me?


ABBGMTTBMuleman1994 certainly is not helping his side or his cause - he is an embarrassment to his team. I have never seen one conservative poster here acknowledge his presence. I certainly would not want a snake in the grass like that in my company.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 04:25 PM
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I don't give a sh!t what you think.


Then why are you so bent on brainwashing us?

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 04:33 PM
^ Escalating
 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 04:55 PM
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Top 10 States/Governors slowest to test for coronavirus:

New York Cuomo – (D)
New Jersey Murphy – (D)
Washington Inslee – (D)
California Newsom – (D)
Oregon Brown – (D)
Illinois Pritzker (D)
Michigan Whitmer (D)
Louisiana Edwards (D)
Minnesota Walz – (D)
Maryland Hogan – (R)

Top 9 of 10 failure Governors are Democrats.



"Slowest"? How is that quantified? Especially considering many of those states were hit early and hardest, this doesn't really qualify as a legit stat.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 05:36 PM
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"brainwashing" idiots is a waste of time.
It implies an intellect which is obviously absent.


If you are not trying to brainwash us idiots, then who are you talking to here?

The logical answer is you are not talking to anyone here but are using this board to jam the web with disinfo that will come up in Google searches.


[Edited on 4/27/2020 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 06:31 PM
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Top 10 States/Governors slowest to test for coronavirus:

New York Cuomo – (D)
New Jersey Murphy – (D)
Washington Inslee – (D)
California Newsom – (D)
Oregon Brown – (D)
Illinois Pritzker (D)
Michigan Whitmer (D)
Louisiana Edwards (D)
Minnesota Walz – (D)
Maryland Hogan – (R)

Top 9 of 10 failure Governors are Democrats.



There are exceptions. Here in RI, governor Raimondo has an 86% approval rating for her handling of this situation and RI is, comparatively and per capita, doing better than most states.

Democrat.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 06:34 PM
Oregon is doing great too - this thing hit the PacNW first, we are surfin the curl, we got this.
 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 07:40 PM
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Top 10 States/Governors slowest to test for coronavirus:

New York Cuomo – (D)
New Jersey Murphy – (D)
Washington Inslee – (D)
California Newsom – (D)
Oregon Brown – (D)
Illinois Pritzker (D)
Michigan Whitmer (D)
Louisiana Edwards (D)
Minnesota Walz – (D)
Maryland Hogan – (R)

Top 9 of 10 failure Governors are Democrats.



"Slowest"? How is that quantified? Especially considering many of those states were hit early and hardest, this doesn't really qualify as a legit stat.


I'd like to see how that is quantified as well.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 09:30 PM
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"brainwashing" idiots is a waste of time.
It implies an intellect which is obviously absent.


If you are not trying to brainwash us idiots, then who are you talking to here?

The logical answer is you are not talking to anyone here but are using this board to jam the web with disinfo that will come up in Google searches.


[Edited on 4/27/2020 by BrerRabbit]


If there were more of us that liked to talk about stuff it would be easier to ignore those who do not want constructive conversation. But when you have 6-10 people (if that many) who engage and a couple trouble makers, the trouble makers unfortunately are going to have influence on the threads.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 09:45 PM
I have a good feeling about Ohio's guidelines released today.

First, Ohio has laid out how testing is going to triple over the next month. They have a plan for almost 1800 contract tracers. And Ohio has hospital capacity, plenty of it. PPE is not ideal, but good enough to allow non-overnight elective surgery. Businesses will be required to have employees where masks. General public strongly encouraged to do so, governor says they have no legal authority to mandate population wears masks. Phased in approach May 1, May 5 and then on so on with evaluation.

Ohio does have a good downward trajectory of cases, although not 14 days yet, we are at a week. Governor looks at 5 day average comparing daily totals to the 5 day average. Hospitalizations still flat.

I think it is time in Ohio. The opening is going to be slow unlike some other states. And Ohio has evidence of declining case count, unlike other states. Ohio has also identified companies within the state that are FDA approved to produce swabs and reagent to greatly expand testing over this upcoming month. Many people are not happy, some people, some Republicans want it all open now. Governor has compromised, taking a 'conservative' approach. He's going slow and cautious still. I think it is right.

There will be increase in cases. A relatively small percentage will seek medical care. There will be new testing and contact tracing. Businesses have a strict guidance or health department or when applicable law enforcement can be called to enforce.

We need to stop hiding from the virus and start dealing with it. I have worn a mask 4 times and gloves once out in public. People need to be responsible. We have to figure it out, it is still all uncharted territory. Be smart, be safe, even if you don't have it act like you do to protect everyone you encounter.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 10:08 PM
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We need to stop hiding from the virus and start dealing with it.


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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 09:14 AM
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We need to stop hiding from the virus and start dealing with it.


Just what are you saying here?

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 09:41 AM
I've posed this question before in regard to jump-starting the economy, but now Trump is pushing school re-opening seemingly for its own sake. I don't have kids so am not directly affected. I just keep wondering what re-opening the schools at this late date accomplishes. Public schools have 4-6 more weeks at most after a re-open plan is devised. Re-opening requires a massive undertaking re staggering schedules, distancing, cleaning & disinfecting daily, & questions about cafeterias, auditoriums, etc. Students are probably going to be at all stages of learning, some having kept up w/online classes & some not & some in between. For seniors, some have already been told they've met requirements for graduation so further classroom instruction isn't needed. The big question is why expose these kids, teachers, administrators, & staff to each other who in turn, may expose their families.

Is this just optics? "Hey, look, the schools are open; we're back to normal" when we know testing isn't available for everyone in every state. How many households are going to depend on an 8 yr old's social distancing skills? Teachers can't police every kid every minute.

Is there some benefit that I'm missing (other than freeing up parents to possibly return to work)?

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 10:26 AM
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I've posed this question before in regard to jump-starting the economy, but now Trump is pushing school re-opening seemingly for its own sake. I don't have kids so am not directly affected. I just keep wondering what re-opening the schools at this late date accomplishes. Public schools have 4-6 more weeks at most after a re-open plan is devised. Re-opening requires a massive undertaking re staggering schedules, distancing, cleaning & disinfecting daily, & questions about cafeterias, auditoriums, etc. Students are probably going to be at all stages of learning, some having kept up w/online classes & some not & some in between. For seniors, some have already been told they've met requirements for graduation so further classroom instruction isn't needed. The big question is why expose these kids, teachers, administrators, & staff to each other who in turn, may expose their families.

Is this just optics? "Hey, look, the schools are open; we're back to normal" when we know testing isn't available for everyone in every state. How many households are going to depend on an 8 yr old's social distancing skills? Teachers can't police every kid every minute.

Is there some benefit that I'm missing (other than freeing up parents to possibly return to work)?


I think your question is the answer. Is there any doubt that almost everything Trump says or does is about optics for one person - himself? The safety factors and practical implications you listed are spot on. Returning kids to schools this late in the year is impractical and dangerous.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 10:32 AM
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We need to stop hiding from the virus and start dealing with it.


Just what are you saying here?


Dealing was a bad word choice. I should've said living or adapting with it.

This virus is going to be with us this summer, this fall, next winter. Maybe there will be a vaccine, maybe there won't be. Antivirals, therapeutics, secondary uses of existing medicines...whatever they come up with until the medical researchers figure out how to treat this virus, we can't continue to hide from it and just wait it out.

There are lots of different things going on in lots of different states. I'm in Ohio. As I've said, I think some of these states are moving too fast and going too far off the bat. But I don't know all of their detail and data. I was a little worried when our Governor Mike Dewine said over a week ago that we would start opening up May 1 because the data at that time didn't support it. Since that time, our daily case count, and our rolling 5 day average case count is better. By and large Ohioans have done what was asked of us for 6 weeks. We've made progress great in limiting spread, building up resources and learned what precautions to take. I think for us, now is the right to time start trying to live with the threat of infection. There are parts of the Ohio economy that never stopped, construction for instance and welders/fabricators...3 of my good friends in these fields have been going to work every day, honestly they say their Monday - Friday lives aren't any different yet so many others are told to stay away, stay home, don't see anyone. It's time to loose it up for more activity in a responsible way.

Still limit gatherings, wear face coverings, no dining in restaurants, no bowling...this stuff is going to be gradual. You have to walk before you run. It's time to start walking a little. Like when you get injured, maybe you broke your ankle or something, you have to stay off it a while, then you can start on therapy. Maybe this is the therapy phase. There can be set backs, but the goal is to walk normally again. It takes a while to do that.

Other states may vary. But clearly, whether some states or some countries are ready for this or not, it is happening in one form or another. We need to adapt to living with this virus rather than avoiding any and all potential contact with society and life.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 10:50 AM
Thanks for clarifying that with your first sentence. Had "dealing" remained, there are, as I'm sure you and everyone else here know, many messed up ways some people are "dealing" with this. Some are pretty sad.
Prior to the post from you that I quoted, I read about that nurse from NY Presbyterian Hospital in Manhattan, Lorna Breen, head of emergency department. Absolutely broke my heart. She couldn't deal with it...or live with it.

[Edited on 4/28/2020 by piacere]

[Edited on 4/28/2020 by piacere]

 

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As previously mentioned, I run Procurement for a major health system. I’ve never experienced anything like I have in my life like the last 6-8 weeks. I’d love to get a good night’s sleep sometime soon. It’s been one thing to read the news and another thing to be in the middle of it. The actual behind the scenes truth in regards to the involvement of states vs Feds has been fascinating and extremely frustrating.

Open back up? Sure. Give it a shot. Hope cases don’t skyrocket. The point of the lockdowns was to keep the burden off the healthcare system, a system that is in no way designed to handle a 1,000 sick people going to the ED at the same time.

In the end it doesn’t matter. Americans won’t listen anyway. There’s always going to be people ignoring the advice and if there’s a vaccine developed, there will be plenty that will refuse it.

I’ll say one thing for myself throughout all this...my view of the political paradigm has been permanently altered.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 11:35 AM
Meanwhile, we lose a Doctor in New York. This brave and dedicated Doctor not only treated many patients, she suffered the disease herself. We whine about not being able to go to the park, we bitch because an upcoming show was cancelled ... pretty small stuff, wouldn't you say?

This poor woman had obviously just exceeded her personal stress limits by many miles. Suicide or not, she IS a hero in this mess. I've heard some real heart-breaking stories throughout all this ... but this one just about sinks my spirit.

 

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