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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 04:55 PM
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Top 10 States/Governors slowest to test for coronavirus:

New York Cuomo – (D)
New Jersey Murphy – (D)
Washington Inslee – (D)
California Newsom – (D)
Oregon Brown – (D)
Illinois Pritzker (D)
Michigan Whitmer (D)
Louisiana Edwards (D)
Minnesota Walz – (D)
Maryland Hogan – (R)

Top 9 of 10 failure Governors are Democrats.



"Slowest"? How is that quantified? Especially considering many of those states were hit early and hardest, this doesn't really qualify as a legit stat.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 06:31 PM
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Top 10 States/Governors slowest to test for coronavirus:

New York Cuomo – (D)
New Jersey Murphy – (D)
Washington Inslee – (D)
California Newsom – (D)
Oregon Brown – (D)
Illinois Pritzker (D)
Michigan Whitmer (D)
Louisiana Edwards (D)
Minnesota Walz – (D)
Maryland Hogan – (R)

Top 9 of 10 failure Governors are Democrats.



There are exceptions. Here in RI, governor Raimondo has an 86% approval rating for her handling of this situation and RI is, comparatively and per capita, doing better than most states.

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 07:40 PM
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Top 10 States/Governors slowest to test for coronavirus:

New York Cuomo – (D)
New Jersey Murphy – (D)
Washington Inslee – (D)
California Newsom – (D)
Oregon Brown – (D)
Illinois Pritzker (D)
Michigan Whitmer (D)
Louisiana Edwards (D)
Minnesota Walz – (D)
Maryland Hogan – (R)

Top 9 of 10 failure Governors are Democrats.



"Slowest"? How is that quantified? Especially considering many of those states were hit early and hardest, this doesn't really qualify as a legit stat.


I'd like to see how that is quantified as well.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 09:30 PM
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"brainwashing" idiots is a waste of time.
It implies an intellect which is obviously absent.


If you are not trying to brainwash us idiots, then who are you talking to here?

The logical answer is you are not talking to anyone here but are using this board to jam the web with disinfo that will come up in Google searches.


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If there were more of us that liked to talk about stuff it would be easier to ignore those who do not want constructive conversation. But when you have 6-10 people (if that many) who engage and a couple trouble makers, the trouble makers unfortunately are going to have influence on the threads.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 09:45 PM
I have a good feeling about Ohio's guidelines released today.

First, Ohio has laid out how testing is going to triple over the next month. They have a plan for almost 1800 contract tracers. And Ohio has hospital capacity, plenty of it. PPE is not ideal, but good enough to allow non-overnight elective surgery. Businesses will be required to have employees where masks. General public strongly encouraged to do so, governor says they have no legal authority to mandate population wears masks. Phased in approach May 1, May 5 and then on so on with evaluation.

Ohio does have a good downward trajectory of cases, although not 14 days yet, we are at a week. Governor looks at 5 day average comparing daily totals to the 5 day average. Hospitalizations still flat.

I think it is time in Ohio. The opening is going to be slow unlike some other states. And Ohio has evidence of declining case count, unlike other states. Ohio has also identified companies within the state that are FDA approved to produce swabs and reagent to greatly expand testing over this upcoming month. Many people are not happy, some people, some Republicans want it all open now. Governor has compromised, taking a 'conservative' approach. He's going slow and cautious still. I think it is right.

There will be increase in cases. A relatively small percentage will seek medical care. There will be new testing and contact tracing. Businesses have a strict guidance or health department or when applicable law enforcement can be called to enforce.

We need to stop hiding from the virus and start dealing with it. I have worn a mask 4 times and gloves once out in public. People need to be responsible. We have to figure it out, it is still all uncharted territory. Be smart, be safe, even if you don't have it act like you do to protect everyone you encounter.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2020 at 10:08 PM
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We need to stop hiding from the virus and start dealing with it.


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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 09:14 AM
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We need to stop hiding from the virus and start dealing with it.


Just what are you saying here?

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 09:41 AM
I've posed this question before in regard to jump-starting the economy, but now Trump is pushing school re-opening seemingly for its own sake. I don't have kids so am not directly affected. I just keep wondering what re-opening the schools at this late date accomplishes. Public schools have 4-6 more weeks at most after a re-open plan is devised. Re-opening requires a massive undertaking re staggering schedules, distancing, cleaning & disinfecting daily, & questions about cafeterias, auditoriums, etc. Students are probably going to be at all stages of learning, some having kept up w/online classes & some not & some in between. For seniors, some have already been told they've met requirements for graduation so further classroom instruction isn't needed. The big question is why expose these kids, teachers, administrators, & staff to each other who in turn, may expose their families.

Is this just optics? "Hey, look, the schools are open; we're back to normal" when we know testing isn't available for everyone in every state. How many households are going to depend on an 8 yr old's social distancing skills? Teachers can't police every kid every minute.

Is there some benefit that I'm missing (other than freeing up parents to possibly return to work)?

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 10:26 AM
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I've posed this question before in regard to jump-starting the economy, but now Trump is pushing school re-opening seemingly for its own sake. I don't have kids so am not directly affected. I just keep wondering what re-opening the schools at this late date accomplishes. Public schools have 4-6 more weeks at most after a re-open plan is devised. Re-opening requires a massive undertaking re staggering schedules, distancing, cleaning & disinfecting daily, & questions about cafeterias, auditoriums, etc. Students are probably going to be at all stages of learning, some having kept up w/online classes & some not & some in between. For seniors, some have already been told they've met requirements for graduation so further classroom instruction isn't needed. The big question is why expose these kids, teachers, administrators, & staff to each other who in turn, may expose their families.

Is this just optics? "Hey, look, the schools are open; we're back to normal" when we know testing isn't available for everyone in every state. How many households are going to depend on an 8 yr old's social distancing skills? Teachers can't police every kid every minute.

Is there some benefit that I'm missing (other than freeing up parents to possibly return to work)?


I think your question is the answer. Is there any doubt that almost everything Trump says or does is about optics for one person - himself? The safety factors and practical implications you listed are spot on. Returning kids to schools this late in the year is impractical and dangerous.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 10:32 AM
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We need to stop hiding from the virus and start dealing with it.


Just what are you saying here?


Dealing was a bad word choice. I should've said living or adapting with it.

This virus is going to be with us this summer, this fall, next winter. Maybe there will be a vaccine, maybe there won't be. Antivirals, therapeutics, secondary uses of existing medicines...whatever they come up with until the medical researchers figure out how to treat this virus, we can't continue to hide from it and just wait it out.

There are lots of different things going on in lots of different states. I'm in Ohio. As I've said, I think some of these states are moving too fast and going too far off the bat. But I don't know all of their detail and data. I was a little worried when our Governor Mike Dewine said over a week ago that we would start opening up May 1 because the data at that time didn't support it. Since that time, our daily case count, and our rolling 5 day average case count is better. By and large Ohioans have done what was asked of us for 6 weeks. We've made progress great in limiting spread, building up resources and learned what precautions to take. I think for us, now is the right to time start trying to live with the threat of infection. There are parts of the Ohio economy that never stopped, construction for instance and welders/fabricators...3 of my good friends in these fields have been going to work every day, honestly they say their Monday - Friday lives aren't any different yet so many others are told to stay away, stay home, don't see anyone. It's time to loose it up for more activity in a responsible way.

Still limit gatherings, wear face coverings, no dining in restaurants, no bowling...this stuff is going to be gradual. You have to walk before you run. It's time to start walking a little. Like when you get injured, maybe you broke your ankle or something, you have to stay off it a while, then you can start on therapy. Maybe this is the therapy phase. There can be set backs, but the goal is to walk normally again. It takes a while to do that.

Other states may vary. But clearly, whether some states or some countries are ready for this or not, it is happening in one form or another. We need to adapt to living with this virus rather than avoiding any and all potential contact with society and life.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 10:50 AM
Thanks for clarifying that with your first sentence. Had "dealing" remained, there are, as I'm sure you and everyone else here know, many messed up ways some people are "dealing" with this. Some are pretty sad.
Prior to the post from you that I quoted, I read about that nurse from NY Presbyterian Hospital in Manhattan, Lorna Breen, head of emergency department. Absolutely broke my heart. She couldn't deal with it...or live with it.

[Edited on 4/28/2020 by piacere]

[Edited on 4/28/2020 by piacere]

 

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As previously mentioned, I run Procurement for a major health system. I’ve never experienced anything like I have in my life like the last 6-8 weeks. I’d love to get a good night’s sleep sometime soon. It’s been one thing to read the news and another thing to be in the middle of it. The actual behind the scenes truth in regards to the involvement of states vs Feds has been fascinating and extremely frustrating.

Open back up? Sure. Give it a shot. Hope cases don’t skyrocket. The point of the lockdowns was to keep the burden off the healthcare system, a system that is in no way designed to handle a 1,000 sick people going to the ED at the same time.

In the end it doesn’t matter. Americans won’t listen anyway. There’s always going to be people ignoring the advice and if there’s a vaccine developed, there will be plenty that will refuse it.

I’ll say one thing for myself throughout all this...my view of the political paradigm has been permanently altered.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 11:35 AM
Meanwhile, we lose a Doctor in New York. This brave and dedicated Doctor not only treated many patients, she suffered the disease herself. We whine about not being able to go to the park, we bitch because an upcoming show was cancelled ... pretty small stuff, wouldn't you say?

This poor woman had obviously just exceeded her personal stress limits by many miles. Suicide or not, she IS a hero in this mess. I've heard some real heart-breaking stories throughout all this ... but this one just about sinks my spirit.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 12:04 PM
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Thanks for clarifying that with your first sentence. Had "dealing" remained, there are, as I'm sure you and everyone else here know, many messed up ways some people are "dealing" with this. Some are pretty sad.
Prior to the post from you that I quoted, I read about that nurse from NY Presbyterian Hospital in Manhattan, Lorna Breen, head of emergency department. Absolutely broke my heart. She couldn't deal with it...or live with it.

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[Edited on 4/28/2020 by piacere]


Yes, I do understand how that may've come across and that was not how I intended it.

Dr Lorna Breen is just so tragic. It is like war, health care employees and doctors are on the front lines. And many are and will experience PTSD, some forever unfortunately.

There are friends in health care among our forum. Some have friends or family that are doctors or nurses or aids, administrators. My sister-in-law is a nurse. I haven't had much chance to talk to her. Just normal people asked to do extraordinary things - and many places are just pressure packed, no relief, they take it home with them.

To Bhawk's point, the stay at home was to not exceed or overwhelm hospitals and in most places it has worked. Still has been a personal cost and burden for those who have had to help those who are sick. It is also why you can't just throw it all open now without precautions because that would negate the work that has been done and continue to wear on those that have already been stretched thin or exceed their ability to keep dealing with it all.

I see people on the beaches in California or Florida and it makes me mad. Everyone has a responsibility, but not everyone sees it that way. You can't get everyone to think the same. Maybe these local authorities that control the public beaches need to restrict access. There are parking lots and beach access that could be monitored, maybe you close parking lots, implement a shuttle program, do a head count for those entering the beach and close it when a certain number is listed. I don't know, our state doesn't have that problem.

If we do it right, we can relax some of our restrictions, open some businesses and still not overwhelm the hospitals. There certainly is going to still be a demand on those facilities and those people to treat new cases. I think it is about trying to manage the new cases all while relaxing restrictions. It is a balance. Since so many people never agree on how to do things I'm sure we'll probably fvck it up and make things worse. But really, it doesn't have to be that way. I'll do my part, what other people is out of my control. Governors and authorities can't be expected to keep a lid on this forever, or even much longer. More and more people are going to disobey after so long. If they can relax now there's a chance to still get people to listen. If people are just kept shuttered in longer and longer I see people just starting to do whatever they want when they want. This is just my point of view, the people I know are still willing to follow guidelines, but we can't keep doing everything we've been doing. If my state were still at peak or increasing cases, I would agree the timing is wrong. Eventually you get to a point where you have to try it, some will make the right call and some might make the wrong ones. You can't always know what is right or wrong until after you do it.


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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 12:41 PM
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Meanwhile, we lose a Doctor in New York. This brave and dedicated Doctor not only treated many patients, she suffered the disease herself. We whine about not being able to go to the park, we bitch because an upcoming show was cancelled ... pretty small stuff, wouldn't you say?

This poor woman had obviously just exceeded her personal stress limits by many miles. Suicide or not, she IS a hero in this mess. I've heard some real heart-breaking stories throughout all this ... but this one just about sinks my spirit.




100% on point!

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 01:32 PM
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Meanwhile, we lose a Doctor in New York. This brave and dedicated Doctor not only treated many patients, she suffered the disease herself. We whine about not being able to go to the park, we bitch because an upcoming show was cancelled ... pretty small stuff, wouldn't you say?

This poor woman had obviously just exceeded her personal stress limits by many miles. Suicide or not, she IS a hero in this mess. I've heard some real heart-breaking stories throughout all this ... but this one just about sinks my spirit.




Yeah. I sometimes wonder if, because we're bombarded with numbers, we get desensitized and numb to the story behind the numbers. Occasionally one grabs you by the throat, Sandy Hook for example, that one hurt us all but generally, let's face it, we've got things to do (sarcasm intended). This woman though, this one knocked the stuffing out of me. Like you said, the park? the beach? a concert? You gotta be kidding me.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 04:49 PM
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Meanwhile, we lose a Doctor in New York. This brave and dedicated Doctor not only treated many patients, she suffered the disease herself. We whine about not being able to go to the park, we bitch because an upcoming show was cancelled ... pretty small stuff, wouldn't you say?

This poor woman had obviously just exceeded her personal stress limits by many miles. Suicide or not, she IS a hero in this mess. I've heard some real heart-breaking stories throughout all this ... but this one just about sinks my spirit.




It's a war time stress level situation. She reportedly told her family patients would die in the ambulances before they even got into the E.R. Doctors like everyone else have certain expectations, they want to help people and save people, when they can't the result is stress and conflict. In a war zone there's no time to deal with your emotions, you just have to function. It's sad and tragic what happened to her.

Anyone else in a situation like that should walk away. Quit the job. Get sleep, eat right and look at other options for work.

I worked in the 168th Street hospital for 5 years. Management changes, budget cuts because of federal Medicaid cuts, layoffs, 1199 contract crises, capital budget expenditures freezes when o.r. equipment was needed etc.etc. Two years after I was on the verge of 3 new ulcers, I left. It was a beautiful day, I felt good and I knew if I remained there I would be over-extended trying to fix a program that needed fixing or help with a new program startup. I finally realized I did enough and I was not sacrificing my health anymore for any programs or people. I did work in another hospital for 2 years and then left to pursue private sector work.

People can get so caught up in their jobs, it can be bad for them. You have to work to live, but living making work the most important thing in your life is not right. Doctors are God's hands but they are not God. He decides who lives and who dies and when and how. When Doctors see patients recover they get a sense that they saved them. In a crisis when so many die, this takes a heavy toll on them.

The hospitals need to stop demanding crisis ridden Doctors and Nurses work too many hours. An average nurse is working 12 hrs. On. I know one who works 3 twelve hour days back to back on a covid unit. If I were running it I would say no more than 9 hours five days a week and they must take a lunch break. Hospitals have to stop treating their Doctors and Nurses like horses in a race, just whip them and they'll do more.

There will be more waves of Covid-19. One researcher said 3 more waves. In a 24 hour day there should be 3 Doctors and 3 nurses for a 24 shift. Start there, then work on the rest of it. I cannot even imagine what the resident- Doctors are going thru.









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  posted on 4/28/2020 at 05:30 PM
Doctors in places like New York City ... and Albany, GA are basically attempting to make "human levees" of themselves - trying to hold back billions and billions of gallons of rushing flood waters in the form of coronavirus patients. The current situation makes the military war-time madness (depicted in films like MASH) seem like a tea party at times.

Gina - good on you for years of service towards others! Walking away seems like a plan. I'll never second-guess any medical professional who says that they feel stress.

 

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Meanwhile, we lose a Doctor in New York. This brave and dedicated Doctor not only treated many patients, she suffered the disease herself. We whine about not being able to go to the park, we bitch because an upcoming show was cancelled ... pretty small stuff, wouldn't you say?

This poor woman had obviously just exceeded her personal stress limits by many miles. Suicide or not, she IS a hero in this mess. I've heard some real heart-breaking stories throughout all this ... but this one just about sinks my spirit.


100% on point!


Meanwhile, Pence is wandering around Mayo without a mask even though it's his administration's guidelines & Mayo's hospital policy - talking to doctors & elbow bumping a patient giving plasma. Why isn't he distancing & wearing a mask? Because he's the VP & gets tested regularly. Huh? What's the downside of wearing one? What about lead by example? What if he contracted the virus after his last test? Mayo offered him one & he said no, thanks.


 

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Pence wearing a mask would've been an example of LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE. Something neither he nor his boss is very big on. Of course, Pence obviously opts for a mask that covers the entire face - including eyes. I suppose it would've been difficult for folks to be inspired if they couldn't see his face.

 

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Pence wearing a mask would've been an example of LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE.


For an administration focused on optics, this was a chance for the VP/COVID19 Task Force Director to wear a mask according to the administration's own guidelines plus the hospital's policy & practice distancing. There's no downside at all. It's not like they couldn't use some good PR about now.

 

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Pence wearing a mask would've been an example of LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE.


For an administration focused on optics, this was a chance for the VP/COVID19 Task Force Director to wear a mask according to the administration's own guidelines plus the hospital's policy & practice distancing. There's no downside at all. It's not like they couldn't use some good PR about now.


Its no different from Obama visiting the Gulf beaches swept clean of tar balls during the BP Oil spill crisis. Its about optics. Obama's gang wanted the public to believe that things weren't so bad. I guess the same applies here. instead of tar balls its covid patients.

 

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Meanwhile, we lose a Doctor in New York. This brave and dedicated Doctor not only treated many patients, she suffered the disease herself. We whine about not being able to go to the park, we bitch because an upcoming show was cancelled ... pretty small stuff, wouldn't you say?

This poor woman had obviously just exceeded her personal stress limits by many miles. Suicide or not, she IS a hero in this mess. I've heard some real heart-breaking stories throughout all this ... but this one just about sinks my spirit.




My son is an EMT in Syracuse.

He left yesterday morning for a three week assignment in NYC.

I hope he survives this and doesn't get a case of PTSD like his disabled veteran sister.

 

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Pence wearing a mask would've been an example of LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE.


For an administration focused on optics, this was a chance for the VP/COVID19 Task Force Director to wear a mask according to the administration's own guidelines plus the hospital's policy & practice distancing. There's no downside at all. It's not like they couldn't use some good PR about now.


Its no different from Obama visiting the Gulf beaches swept clean of tar balls during the BP Oil spill crisis. Its about optics. Obama's gang wanted the public to believe that things weren't so bad. I guess the same applies here. instead of tar balls its covid patients.


But Obama.

Classic.

 

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  posted on 4/29/2020 at 11:43 AM
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But Obama.

Classic.


And hilarious!..Simply because it is no different than the little club here that takes every opportunity and then some to turn everything into a "But Trump" response.

But still classic.

 

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