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  posted on 4/22/2020 at 05:56 PM
Pence just said something to the effect "the best thing you can do to reopen America is to keep doing what you are doing". And he's right. A bunch of states are close and getting close. It's what Trump should've been saying.
 

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  posted on 4/22/2020 at 06:18 PM
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It's not crap, it is the IHME model right? That is the model the White House and it's task force team often cites and uses. And the IHME model has been the most reliable in offering some estimates and guidance.

I linked the IHME model projected dates in my post. They were last updated yesterday.

Trump just said that he told the GA governor that he strongly disagreed w/his decision to open certain facilities, which are in violation of the phase one guidelines based in part on the IHME model. "It's just too soon. I think it's too soon."

 

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  posted on 4/22/2020 at 06:27 PM
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It's not crap, it is the IHME model right? That is the model the White House and it's task force team often cites and uses. And the IHME model has been the most reliable in offering some estimates and guidance.

I linked the IHME model projected dates in my post. They were last updated yesterday.

Trump just said that he told the GA governor that he strongly disagreed w/his decision to open certain facilities, which are in violation of the phase one guidelines based in part on the IHME model. "It's just too soon. I think it's too soon."



Yes and thank you. Rule of thumb, never listen to ABBGMTTB.

Would be nice option if members here who start a thread could moderate their own thread and remove trolling posts.

Trump hinted that yesterday he was going to be speaking the Georgia governor. That is a fairly big step for Trump to reprimand a fellow Republican Governor. Have to think some members of the team got to him on that. The task force team tries to keep Trump centered, sometimes it works.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2020 at 07:18 PM
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It's not crap, it is the IHME model right? That is the model the White House and it's task force team often cites and uses. And the IHME model has been the most reliable in offering some estimates and guidance.

I linked the IHME model projected dates in my post. They were last updated yesterday.

Trump just said that he told the GA governor that he strongly disagreed w/his decision to open certain facilities, which are in violation of the phase one guidelines based in part on the IHME model. "It's just too soon. I think it's too soon."



Yes and thank you. Rule of thumb, never listen to ABBGMTTB.

Would be nice option if members here who start a thread could moderate their own thread and remove trolling posts.

Trump hinted that yesterday he was going to be speaking the Georgia governor. That is a fairly big step for Trump to reprimand a fellow Republican Governor. Have to think some members of the team got to him on that. The task force team tries to keep Trump centered, sometimes it works.


You beat me to it. You are correct. No doubt that Fauci or others probably got through to MAGA guy. Have no doubt that left to his own, Trump would have green lighted Kemp in GA for reopening. He's been toutiing the gov in last few days for all the good things the gov does...in usual Trump dialog. Reality set in, and the light bulb went off that if things go badly & Trump's been backing this effort, then it makes Trump look bad or worse than he already looks.

Think about this. MAGA prez has done nothing to dissuade those red hats protesting at state capitals. He's even given them cover. Even said they are practicing social distancing which pictures, in many instance show to be false. So how does Trump balance supporting protests but now advising Gov Kemp not to move forward? MAGA prez wants it both ways.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2020 at 07:25 PM
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Trump hinted that yesterday he was going to be speaking the Georgia governor. That is a fairly big step for Trump to reprimand a fellow Republican Governor. Have to think some members of the team got to him on that. The task force team tries to keep Trump centered, sometimes it works.


Yes, it works sometimes. Sometimes, it doesn't. Now that controlled studies of chloroquine have progressed to the point where some have been halted due to cardiac problems in patients as well as inefficacy, Trump, Fox, & Dr. Oz have been silent on that "miracle drug" about which Trump had a great "feeling." Of course, that didn't stop the administration from firing the doctor responsible for drug allocation yesterday for not making the unproven chloroquine widely available. He announced he'll be firing a whistleblower complaint this week.

The man simply can't stand to be proven wrong. If he'd just not spew nonsense that can easily be contradicted, he'd be better off - we all would be. It's incredible to see such misplaced vindictiveness & vengeance in an adult man much less POTUS.






 

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  posted on 4/22/2020 at 08:08 PM
Meanwhile, in the state of Georgia ... Lindsey Graham and even Donald Trump start to sound like the voice of reason. It's early, but when they make the movie - I say that Will Ferrell plays Brian Kemp. But only because Don Knotts is deceased.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2020 at 10:34 PM
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I say that Will Ferrell plays Brian Kemp.


That made me laugh just picturing it!

 

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  posted on 4/23/2020 at 07:52 AM
In NH, there was a daily increase of about 50 documented cases per day
Late last week there were protests at the state Capitol to re open the state (we have a Republican Governor, fwiw)
From the photos, people were NOT adhering to distancing recomendations

Today we had 98 new cases, almost double the prior daily average.

maybe it's a coincidence, maybe not

regardless, too soon to relax restrictions

 

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  posted on 4/23/2020 at 08:33 PM
Chain mentioned NY's random antibody test a few posts back, here's a story:


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One in five who were tested for antibodies in New York City had them.

About 21 percent of about 1,300 people in New York City who were screened for virus antibodies tested positive, Governor Andrew M. Cuomo said on Thursday.

The results come from a state program that randomly tested 3,000 supermarket customers across New York State this week. Nearly 14 percent of those tests came back positive, he said.

If those numbers translate to the true incidence of the virus, they would mean that more than 1.7 million people in New York City, and more than 2.4 million people statewide, have already been infected. These numbers are far greater than the 250,000 confirmed cases of the virus itself that the state has recorded.

Hours before Mr. Cuomoís presentation, a top New York City health official cautioned against making too much of the usefulness of the test results in making critical decisions about social distancing and reopening the economy, particularly in identifying immunity. The official said the tests ďmay produce false negative or false positive results,Ē pointing to ďsignificant voidsĒ in using the science to pinpoint immunity.

Mr. Cuomo declined to speculate further on what the preliminary data might mean. He said its main use would to provide a baseline for tracking changes in the infection rate. (Supermarket customers do not constitute a random sample of the population.)

By the time New York City confirmed its first case on March 1, thousands of infections were already silently spreading through the city, according to a model of the disease by researchers at Northeastern University.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/us/coronavirus-live-news-coverage.html#l ink-5ac27645



Hard to make too much of this, in fact we are warned not to make too much of it. If the tests were accurate it certainly sheds new light on how many people may've already been touched by this virus which then does effect all the other metrics on death and hospitalization ratios.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2020 at 10:51 PM
Yet you just bang the same tiresome drum ... with lies, of course
 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 06:13 AM
Both GOP and Dem governors have said there isnít enough testing
Iím on the front lines of a state with a GOP Governor and we donít have enough tests. In fact, we have the least per capital in all of NE. We canít get the supplies.

Fauci said we donít have enough tests

There isnít enough testing done. We have the desire and mechanics to do it. There are not enough materials

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[Edited on 4/24/2020 by stormyrider]

 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 07:42 AM
Alright! So, here in Georgia you can finally get that tattoo, haircut and even a massage before heading out to bowl or watch a movie! I'm thinking about hitting a few of these establishments today, as I have never seen 6' long scissors or tattoo needles ... or a masseuse with 6' long arms! Thank you, Governor Simp!

 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 07:44 AM
In Tennessee:

https://www.wate.com/news/tennessee/list-which-tennessee-state-parks-will-r eopen-april-24/

https://www.wate.com/news/blount-county-restaurant-owners-anticipate-reopen ing-half-capacity-after-covid-19-restrictions/

Too soon?

In Blount County, where the article references, there have been 2 new cases since the 9th. (one new one each of the last two days) The State Parks all being closed was extreme to begin with. The Great Smokies have been closed to all access since March 23.

Yesterday the total for all cases, including recovered, was 8,266 with highest concentrations being around the metropolitan areas of Nashville and Memphis. Knox County has had 206 cases with 29 cases currently active. There are 95 counties in Tennessee.

I think that certain areas can have restrictions eased. I realize that one shelter-in-place orders are lifted, people will start to travel and visit other areas. Being quarantined for a month or more will make you restless.

Myself, I would like to go out to dinner and go caveman on a table full of Mexican food, but I'll probably be somewhat on the "wait and see" side...

 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 07:48 AM
I hear ya, Alan. For purposes of perspective - the day after our governor made these decisions to reopen, Glynn County (home of the "Golden Isles") added 2 new CV cases and suffered its first death. Come on in! The water's fine! I'll point out that we were clean as a whistle before the annual Spring Break pilgrimage. If anybody needs me, I'll be indoors all summer.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 08:09 AM
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Iím on the front lines of a state with a GOP Governor and we donít have enough tests. In fact, we have the least per capital in all of NE. We canít get the supplies.

There isnít enough testing done. We have the desire and mechanics to do it. There are not enough materials

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@stormy, forgive me, but I'm confused on testing. Are there 2 types of tests - 1 for diagnosis & 1 for antibodies?

When you & the other experts say not enough tests, you mean diagnostic? They exist but they're not being made fast enough or distributed? They're supplied to the hospitals directly from the manufacturer? or are they rationed by the state?

I read that hold-ups were due to a lack of cotton for nasal swabs and the wrong size vial for the sample. That seems insane.

You & your wife stay safe!

 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 09:21 AM
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ďWeíre also going to be switching over to plastic silverware and plates, so that we donít have to touch the dirty dishes as often, we donít have to wash their dishes, we just throw everything straight in the trash. Wipe down all the tables with sanitizer and bleach, make sure everything is cleaned after every guest, that way we can ensure a clean meal as possible for everybody,Ē Roberts said.


I think it's helpful our friends here post little glimpse inside their states. I know a little about some other states, but only pay close attention to Ohio. I know a little more about Colorado because I live vicariously through a few friends I have living there (great state!).

The above quote is from Alan's link. I had thought how restaurants might handle their glasses...when you get a draft beer afterwards sometimes you just see them dunk it in a tub of soapy water, dunk it in a tub of clean water before putting it drying it in a machine. Maybe the high heat of the drying machine kills virus, but would people feel comfortable this stuff is clean enough. So I can see going to more disposable plates, glasses, fork, knife and spoons. Good on one hand, not so good on another hand.

 

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Regarding Glynn County (Golden Isles) and 2 new cases and a death after opening, due to the incubation period and time leading to getting tested I'd be willing to bet those people were infected several days to a week or two before the opening.

There are going to be new cases when states relax and try to reopen. There are going go to be new cases if states did not relax and reopen. We have had a few grocery store employees here get infected. There is some level of business operation and activity now before opening.

The key thing is going to be with any new infections, is there a capacity in the healthcare system to accommodate new hospitalizations? 20-25% of people infected will need hospitalization. So the governors and health professionals are going to have to know what is available and monitor cases and behavior to see what is happening.

When we get reports of new cases after relaxing and opening of new cases, that alone should not dictate whether or not relaxed status and partial openings get suspended or withdrawn. It depends the point which those new infections reach that will determine what happens next. People are going to have to be responsible and careful when they go out and do things, take precautions and limit exposure to the best extent possible and be respectful others around you and your friends and family at home.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 09:48 AM
Ohio tests are still limited, but apparently we do have enough to expand the criteria of who gets tests. Here is Ohio's priority for testing. Priority 3 is a new category they can now begin to test people from.



The availability and number of tests is only going to get better as time goes on. This week our Governor said he expects "significant" increases in testing in the coming weeks. There isn't much of antibody testing here yet, some businesses have some agencies, but there are still warnings about reliability and accuracy of the antibody tests.

The Governor had said a couple times he would release Ohio's plan for opening and guidelines for businesses yesterday. Then yesterday he said he didn't recall saying it would be yesterday and instead will be announced on Monday. Last week he said businesses should prepare for some limited opening and relaxing May 1st, but has yet to offer any details beyond that.

Ohio does have about a week's worth of declining cases and hospitalization rate is slowing. Our recent spikes are due to larger testing of prison populations.

 

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Regarding Glynn County (Golden Isles) and 2 new cases and a death after opening, due to the incubation period and time leading to getting tested I'd be willing to bet those people were infected several days to a week or two before the opening. ...


Correct as rain, I'm sure you are. Just pointing out that this fire is far from extinguished.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 11:22 AM
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Iím on the front lines of a state with a GOP Governor and we donít have enough tests. In fact, we have the least per capital in all of NE. We canít get the supplies.

There isnít enough testing done. We have the desire and mechanics to do it. There are not enough materials

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@stormy, forgive me, but I'm confused on testing. Are there 2 types of tests - 1 for diagnosis & 1 for antibodies?

When you & the other experts say not enough tests, you mean diagnostic? They exist but they're not being made fast enough or distributed? They're supplied to the hospitals directly from the manufacturer? or are they rationed by the state?

I read that hold-ups were due to a lack of cotton for nasal swabs and the wrong size vial for the sample. That seems insane.

You & your wife stay safe!

There are 2 types of tests
The diagnostic test - swab, is to tell if you ARE infected
the antibody testtells if you had the disease and recovered

Both are important. The scary thing is that people can be infectious before symptoms develop or without even ever having them

The antibody test is still new and not widely available. There are many unapproved tests people are doing but I wouldn't trust them.

The diagnostic test, which is what I was referring to, as I believe was Fauci and the Governors, is available but there are not enough so we can't test enough people.
There are shortages of swabs and cartridges, depending upon where you live. We are getting our cartridges from FEMA but there aren't enough to give everyone all they need. They are giving priority to states with more cases, which is understandable but still a problem.

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  posted on 4/24/2020 at 12:05 PM
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The antibody test is still new and not widely available. There are many unapproved tests people are doing but I wouldn't trust them.

The diagnostic test, which is what I was referring to, as I believe was Fauci and the Governors, is available but there are not enough so we can't test enough people. There are shortages of swabs and cartridges, depending upon where you live. We are getting our cartridges from FEMA but there aren't enough to give everyone all they need. They are giving priority to states with more cases, which is understandable but still a problem.


Got it, thanks. States are thinking about opening up even though they don't have enough diagnostic tests to determine if people - asymptomatic or not - have it. Makes no sense.

My confusion came from Cuomo's announcement of an antibody test developed in NY & tested on grocery store shoppers throughout the state that really isn't useful yet.

 

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They are ramping up testing in Illinois, opening 4 sites for people to sit in line in their cars and get tested. Supposed to be for first responders, 65 and older, people showing symptoms and people under 65 with pre-existing conditions. They eventually will be able to do about 2900 per day total at these sites. The state capacity for processing the tests is around 10,000 per day... which they haven't hit yet.

Now that they are doing more testing, our number of positive for covid have been going up a lot - from 1000 per day to over 2000 per day....

 

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Ohio today said that with Thermo Fisher being approved by the FDA to make reagent and a Cleveland dental product manufacturer will make swabs...Ohio will go from almost 4000 a day testing ability to 22,000 by May 27th. That must be what Governor Dewine meant earlier in saying "significant" increase in testing.

He also said that Ohio has a plan for contact tracing that will involve 1750 existing health care workers, volunteers and med school students.

Monday he is announcing plans for allowing some businesses to open. I will be very curious to hear both the justifications and the guidelines. Businesses not following guidelines can be reported to the department of health, as in if an employee or customer does not feel safe, the business will have to comply or will not be allowed to stay open.

Ohio case count appears to have peaked on 4/19 at 1380 (driven by large prison population tests) (4/19 was exactly when IHME had predicted we would peak in early April although the case count at the peak was way off). Since the peak our new case count this week has been 1317, 806, 392, 577 and 475. Hospitalizations are down a little, but more of a sustained plateau. 79% of Ohio's deaths are white, 17% are black. 47% of Ohio's deaths are 80 and older, 28% are aged 70-79. Ohio reports probable deaths as well as confirmed deaths in the total.

 

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Another example of Captain Sh!t Bag doing all he can to make sure and get his donors (err I mean small public businesses) all the monies that were meant for them??............joe

One Trump Donor's Hotel Companies Got $96. 1 Million Meant for Small Businesses

https://flip.it/PbZj9F

 

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Another example of Captain Sh!t Bag doing all he can to make sure and get his donors (err I mean small public businesses) all the monies that were meant for them??............joe

One Trump Donor's Hotel Companies Got $96. 1 Million Meant for Small Businesses

https://flip.it/PbZj9F



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I don't know ABBGMTTB, just don't seem like an upstanding and honest guy to me? I don't trust him, as he doesn't seem trustworthy, I read a little piece that explained why folks who still support Trump are even more mentally misguided and unstable than Trump himself!?? Obama/ Clinton Nov. 2020!!!.............Peace........joe

 
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