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  posted on 6/8/2020 at 11:58 AM
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  posted on 6/8/2020 at 12:05 PM
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2 years of unemployment, plus $600 per week is a lot of money for these folks.


 

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  posted on 6/8/2020 at 03:09 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html
 

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  posted on 6/8/2020 at 05:53 PM
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2 years of unemployment, plus $600 per week is a lot of money for these folks.


Perhaps a further explanation is in order for some of our more "jump to conclusions" participants.

Does the term "these folks" in anyway allude solely to the color of anyone's skin? Or is it a reference to anyone collecting un-employment?

 

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  posted on 6/8/2020 at 11:53 PM
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Perhaps a further explanation is in order for some of our more "jump to conclusions" participants.

Does the term "these folks" in anyway allude solely to the color of anyone's skin? Or is it a reference to anyone collecting un-employment?


Not at all. I was referring to everyone who has lost their job because of this pandemic. If Iím not mistaken, state unemployment is about $300-$600 per week, plus an extra $600 per week from Mr. Trump, which is $900 a week minimum for people who are out of work. Say what you will about the man, but weíve all been given a very generous monetary gift and arguably better off now than we were 5 years ago.


"Plus an extra $600 per week from Mr. Trump" - Gee, what a generous guy!

I have been given zero monetary gift. I got no stimulus money, and my taxes went up. And in 2025 the tax rates for individuals will expire, but I will no longer be able to take the deductions I used to take, so my tax bill will be even higher yet. Personally, I have no problem paying more for taxes, but not while the top 1% gets all the benefits at my expense.

Doesn't matter, I'm sure Biden will have to work on a tax fix next year. The government has been spending money it doesn't have like a drunken sailer on leave. The deficit was already exploding even before the depression set in. It can't continue as it is.


 

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Doesn't matter, I'm sure Biden will have to work on a tax fix next year.


Working from home he'll be sure to receive unemployment and SS

 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 05:24 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/08/14-states-puerto-rico-hit- their-highest-seven-day-average-new-covid-19-infections-since-

14 states and Puerto Rico hit highest seven-day average of new coronavirus infections

As rates of coronavirus infections ease in places such as New York and Illinois and onetime hot spots move into new phases of reopening, parts of the country that had previously avoided being hit hard by the outbreak are now tallying record-high new infections.
Since the start of June, 14 states and Puerto Rico have recorded their highest-ever seven-day average of new coronavirus cases since the pandemic began, according to data tracked by The Washington Post: : Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Kentucky, New Mexico, North Carolina, Mississippi, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.
If the pandemicís first wave burned through dense metro hubs such as New York City, Chicago and Detroit, the highest percentages of new cases are coming from places with much smaller populations: Lincoln County, Ore., an area of less than 50,000, has averaged 20 new daily cases; the Bear River Health District in northern Utah has averaged 78 new cases a day in the past week, most of them tied to an outbreak at a meat processing plant in the small town of Hyrum.

nbox, every day.
Adding to the disparity in health-care support, residents in states such as Mississippi, Florida and South Carolina are living under only minor-to-moderate restrictions ó even as their average daily infection rate is rising.
The past two weeks of protests against police brutality will be yet another variable in how the virus spreads in the country. Protesters flooded the streets of major cities but gathered in small towns across the country, too. Though the widespread protests are a boon for the movement, health officials have warned about the impact so many people closely packed with one another could have on transmission rates.

As of Monday, at least 109,000 people in the United States have died of covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, with more than 1.95 million cases of the virus reported.

 

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Now the WHO says "asymptomatic spread is very rare", accounting for 6% of spread at most.

WTF.

This is what I'm talking about. Wait a couple weeks and everything you thought you knew will be "updated".

I was in two more businesses yesterday where I was the only person wearing a mask. Ohio requires employers and employees wear masks. This is a theme I have been seeing more and more with fewer people wearing masks.

First place yesterday is a husband and wife outfit, they limit their distance and contact with customers (put money in a box type thing), but two other customers came in with no masks. I went to a lawn power equipment dealer. 4 employees, no masks. 5 customers no masks. Went out to eat last night for the first time. Place was really busy. We went at 4:00 to try and get their before they got busy. Already busy. Large bar, every other seat was occupied. About 1/3 of the tables in the tavern were full and only 2 of 10 tables on outside patio were open when we got there. All the restaurant workers did wear masks. A couple new customers that came in when we were leaving had masks on, otherwise nobody else did. I'll let you know how the restaurant trip went two weeks...as long as they don't change the incubation time guidance by then.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 10:40 AM
1-you canít tell if you are presymptomatic or asymptomatic until itís too late

2-Published this week

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3012

Asymptomatic persons seem to account for approximately 40% to 45% of SARS-CoV-2 infections, and they can transmit the virus to others for an extended period, perhaps longer than 14 days.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 11:18 AM
So where are all those overrun hospitals in Georgia? You know when they opened up so aggresively we were told it would be a disaster. Where are the overrun hospitals in Texas? In Florida? In Ohio? I know Vermont's cases exploded. I mean they went all the way up to ONE covid patient in the entire states system. Of course have not even had more than one for weeks now but who cares.
 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 11:38 AM
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Now the WHO says "asymptomatic spread is very rare", accounting for 6% of spread at most. WTF.
This is what I'm talking about. Wait a couple weeks and everything you thought you knew will be "updated".

They've already withdrawn that statement - "out of context" or "referring to another question" or something like that.

Months ago, we talked about how there was too much information, confusing, hard to keep track, & was making people anxious. Nothing's changed except we don't have hour-long briefings of Trump & his COVID19 team who spent most of their time contradicting what he'd said so as not to confuse the public. Living in NYC, it was hard to avoid being bombarded w/info, but I pretty much listened to Cuomo once/day & read the daily info from the health dept for NYC.

NYC is still not that different than it was in March in terms of openings, distancing, & masks. Basically, it's too expensive for all but the most sought-after retail/restaurants to bother opening especially when laid off workers get unemployment plus the $600 bonus through 7/31. The uber-rich fled the city according to cell phone tracking & other sources. Any time people can avoid public transportation & work from home, they take it so there's not been a rush back to office buildings & the city's 3 largest tenants have released some of their space because they don't want workers to return.

We're all in limbo as to whether new cases are going to spike due to re-openings, protests, & people generally not taking masks/social distancing seriously any longer & what governors are going to do in response. My decisions are pretty easy because nothing I do on a regular basis is open & travel is out because most European countries are still closed to US visitors unless they quarantine for 14 days in a hotel. Brisk walks in the parks are about it for me. Yes, it's getting old, but the same is true for everyone.

Like your reports from OH & Rusty's from coastal GA. I still smile at your astonishment when TJMaxx re-opened to the biggest crowd ever!




 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 11:48 AM
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So where are all those overrun hospitals in Georgia? You know when they opened up so aggresively we were told it would be a disaster. Where are the overrun hospitals in Texas? In Florida? In Ohio? I know Vermont's cases exploded. I mean they went all the way up to ONE covid patient in the entire states system. Of course have not even had more than one for weeks now but who cares.


Good question and one that will most likely be ignored. It must be terribly taxing to defend your original position of fear and what the virus is capable of when on the other hand you are supporting the thousands who've taken to the streets and are not practicing the same social distancing you preached just weeks ago.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 11:51 AM
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Since the start of June, 14 states and Puerto Rico have recorded their highest-ever seven-day average of new coronavirus cases since the pandemic began, according to data tracked by The Washington Post: : Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Kentucky, New Mexico, North Carolina, Mississippi, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.
Adding to the disparity in health-care support, residents in states such as Mississippi, Florida and South Carolina are living under only minor-to-moderate restrictions ó even as their average daily infection rate is rising.


Yet as of yesterday, the RNC indicated that Jacksonville FL & Savannah GA are the frontrunners for the Trump portion of the convention - where there will be no restriction on the # of people who can fill an arena for Trump's acceptance speech. The business of the convention will remain in Charlotte, but Trump wants a state's guarantee that there won't be any capacity cap due to COVID19. Unless a governor just throws caution to the wind, I don't see how any one of them can guarantee today that the number of cases in late August won't require restrictions.

 

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So where are all those overrun hospitals in Georgia? You know when they opened up so aggresively we were told it would be a disaster. Where are the overrun hospitals in Texas? In Florida? In Ohio? I know Vermont's cases exploded. I mean they went all the way up to ONE covid patient in the entire states system. Of course have not even had more than one for weeks now but who cares.

Good question and one that will most likely be ignored. It must be terribly taxing to defend your original position of fear and what the virus is capable of when on the other hand you are supporting the thousands who've taken to the streets and are not practicing the same social distancing you preached just weeks ago.

You are bizarrely ignoring that those concerned about the virus resurging are concerned about unsafe crowds. Also proof you still misunderstand a lot about the virus and prevention.

Here is some info from a health care provider that might be helpful (though I'm sure you know better): https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/west-palm-beach/infect ious-disease-doctor-to-answer-questions-about-increase-in-coronavirus-cases

Meanwhile, as Florida attempts to re-open, cases have increased slightly. Considering we are just a week in to "Phase 1" and the gestation time for the virus, there is no way to know if there is a correlation or if the increases are a trend. Hopefully the old folks here stay home or wear masks at the very least.

https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll-climbs-by-53-in-sta te-including-15-in-palm-beach-county

 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 12:19 PM
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Also proof you still misunderstand a lot about the virus and prevention.


I "misunderstand" nothing and challenge you to denounce the gatherings and protests because of the utter disregard to safeguarding the health of those involved during this pandemic.

 

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Also proof you still misunderstand a lot about the virus and prevention.


I "misunderstand" nothing and challenge you to denounce the gatherings and protests because of the utter disregard to safeguarding the health of those involved during this pandemic.

I've repeatedly made it clear I am not for violent, unsafe, crowded protests with no precautions. I don't denounce peaceful protests and vigils that have been done safely. You refuse to listen. Or understand, not sure which. Probably both.

 

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I don't denounce peaceful protests and vigils that have been done safely.


Perhaps you could take a moment and post one of those links you are so fond of that clearly states that ALL of the "peaceful protests and vigils" have been done safely. Remember, this is a highly contagious virus that was the cause for the shutting down of the economy, the call for face masks to be worn everywhere, social distancing, schools closing, the cancelling of professional sports and ALL businesses not deemed essential. ONE cough, one sneeze, one handshake can infect others....But peaceful protests and vigils seem to be immune and safe!

Please....

 

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I "misunderstand" nothing and challenge you to denounce the gatherings and protests because of the utter disregard to safeguarding the health of those involved during this pandemic.

I've repeatedly made it clear I am not for violent, unsafe, crowded protests with no precautions

Typical, ignore what doesn't fit into your narrow view.

There have been thousands of vigils across the country where people are wearing masks and keeping relative distance, even here in Florida where restaurants are re-opening and people are even closer. Remember, masks are what you wear when you are in close proximity to others since it's an airborne virus. Some spaces people are less-likely to be able to socially distance. There are many variables but, as mentioned, you hypocritically want one size fits all. Educate yourself. Don't be obtuse.

Ask yourself why you don't care about restaurants re-opening and only about protestors. Ask yourself why you are incensed an elderly white man was violently thrown to the ground by police, but not when a black man is slowly murdered by a cop in the street. Because it's pretty clear it's more than stubborn ignorance.

 

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So where are all those overrun hospitals in Georgia? You know when they opened up so aggresively we were told it would be a disaster. Where are the overrun hospitals in Texas? In Florida? In Ohio? I know Vermont's cases exploded. I mean they went all the way up to ONE covid patient in the entire states system. Of course have not even had more than one for weeks now but who cares.

Good question and one that will most likely be ignored. It must be terribly taxing to defend your original position of fear and what the virus is capable of when on the other hand you are supporting the thousands who've taken to the streets and are not practicing the same social distancing you preached just weeks ago.

You are bizarrely ignoring that those concerned about the virus resurging are concerned about unsafe crowds. Also proof you still misunderstand a lot about the virus and prevention.

Here is some info from a health care provider that might be helpful (though I'm sure you know better): https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/west-palm-beach/infect ious-disease-doctor-to-answer-questions-about-increase-in-coronavirus-cases

Meanwhile, as Florida attempts to re-open, cases have increased slightly. Considering we are just a week in to "Phase 1" and the gestation time for the virus, there is no way to know if there is a correlation or if the increases are a trend. Hopefully the old folks here stay home or wear masks at the very least.

https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll-climbs-by-53-in-sta te-including-15-in-palm-beach-county


Georgia is not a week into its reopening. That idiot Rachel Maddow was practically in tears about how Georgia was going to be ovedrrun. It did not happen. It did not happen in Texas which is way past 1 week. Where are the hospitals overrun? It did not happen and will not happen. And spare me about social distancing at this protests as that is a complete crock of you know what.

 

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As with anything, it is who or what you believe. Most news reports are reporting that Georgia and Florida, along with a few other states are not following the reporting guidelines set up by the CDC - so who really knows if they are or aren't seeing an increase? It fits their agenda to say they opened up and nothing happened ... but we will eventually see....
 

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  posted on 6/9/2020 at 04:12 PM
In my mind, the question isnít are hospitals being overrun. Itís great that they arenít.

How many people are getting sick? How sick are they getting? How many are dying?

 

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Well sure it is how many people are getting sick and how sick they are getting. But hospitalization is what really matters because it does not matter about guidelines from the politicized CDC when people are not getting hospitalized especially being in ICUs and put on ventilators. If people are not getting sick enough to be hospitalized then that is a very important story. Go ahead and remind me which pandemics in history went away because of a vaccine. And some doctors do believe this virus is attenuating already.

https://triblive.com/local/regional/upmc-doctors-say-covid-19-declining-in- virulence-and-infection-levels/


 

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Where are the hospitals overrun? It did not happen and will not happen.

They were overrun in densely populated urban centers (Seattle, NYC) or areas with large senior populations (south FL). My wife's uncle on the Upper West Side of NYC had a stroke last month and had to go to a hospital way across town because the closest one was being used exclusively for COVID treatment. Now he's upstate in rehab, his wife is alone at home waiting for him to return.

Every where is going to be different, there are variables - such as when the virus first got there, as well as variables that are hard to contain or impossible to predict. Stats are going to fluctuate because they are dependent on testing, which hasn't been consistent. Some countries are successfully reopening, some had to walk that back.

The bottom line is be smart and safe. Remember, in March people were doing nothing and there was no preparation. Social distancing was the broad stroke, get people away from each other, especially the elderly or infirm. Just look at how many musicians at the Beacon in March alone fell ill (Jackson Browne, Oteil, Larry Campbell). Months later more people have masks, people understand more about transmission, that it's airborne.

Now Arizona (an area with a lot of retirees) is reporting spikes, hopefully this isn't indicative of a larger trend:
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/this-trend-is-concerning-to-us-banner-hea lth-warns-of-covid-19-increase-in-arizona

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Continuing, "Since May 15, ventilated COVID-19 patients have quadrupled. Banner Health also recently reached capacity for patients receiving extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) treatment."

 

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So where are all those overrun hospitals in Georgia? You know when they opened up so aggresively we were told it would be a disaster. Where are the overrun hospitals in Texas? In Florida? In Ohio? I know Vermont's cases exploded. I mean they went all the way up to ONE covid patient in the entire states system. Of course have not even had more than one for weeks now but who cares.


Ohio started to open in stages on May 1st with additional relaxing and openings pretty much weekly throughout May. Here on June 9th, 6 weeks since starting to open and relax we show 639 hospitalized Ohioans, just three days ago we were at 636 the lowest I have seen since I started tracking the data in early April. At our peak we had over 1100 hospitalized. Same goes for our ICU, today just 238 people were reported in ICU, compared to our peak of over 500 mid April.

As for new cases we have 4 days in a row under 400. Our 7 day average cases is 406, 14 day average is 442 and 21 day average is 487. All new lows since April 15/16th. We are testing more (20,000 more tests than 4 weeks ago) and seeing the new case number declining. At our peak we had over 900 new cases a day.

I have the nightly news on as I type...all they seem to talk about though are the places that are spiking...no time to report the places that are declining.

Pretty good here so far. And this is with more people not masking up.

 

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Ask yourself why you are incensed an elderly white man was violently thrown to the ground by police, but not when a black man is slowly murdered by a cop in the street. Because it's pretty clear it's more than stubborn ignorance.


Oh my!...I do not have to ask myself anything; there's a phrase you are just dying to throw on me, go ahead! It is what you libs do!

 

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