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  posted on 5/15/2020 at 05:36 PM
I look at new cases, active cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Those numbers pretty much tell you where you are at now. From those you can tell the percent of confirmed active cases per population, if the hospitals are overwhelmed, and if things are getting better or worse. My county finally started releasing the number recovered, so now I know that there are 1.2 active confirmed cases per 10,000 people in my county, which is a pretty low ratio unless you consider that you'd probably have 2 people with it at a large concert or sporting event. Of course, there are likely many other that have it but never got tested. Very few hospitalizations here as well. We've been very fortunate, and as much as I like to be cautious it seems like most things in my area could be opened up. I would not have the same attitude if I lived in NYC however.
 

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  posted on 5/16/2020 at 09:32 PM
Interactive national map with all counties color-coded to show where cases are declining or increasing:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/graphic-tracking-coronav irus-infections-us/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=crm-email::src=ngp::cmp=editorial::ad d=SpecialEdition_20200515&rid=910A3A0C804D1C7F8D5B2B273F0E8738

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 01:37 PM
Finally got a haircut today. And here in Ohio Governor Dewine just lifted the remaining stay at home order. About time.
 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 01:40 PM
And here. While this is from Italy but lots of states here have very similar age breakdown. I believe Massachusetts avg age of death is 82 and Florida very similar. End the lockdowns now. So why all this lunacy acting like we are all at risk? What a load of bs.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1106372/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-g roup-italy/

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 02:26 PM
No...just the 82 year olds, who friggin BUILT this country.



 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 02:39 PM
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Interactive national map with all counties color-coded to show where cases are declining or increasing:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/graphic-tracking-coronav irus-infections-us/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=crm-email::src=ngp::cmp=editorial::ad d=SpecialEdition_20200515&rid=910A3A0C804D1C7F8D5B2B273F0E8738


We're decreasing here because everybody was told to stay home or risk getting it and die in 3 days. We saw the refrigerator morgue trucks with 800 bodies a day getting put in there. That scared people enough to stay home. Sometimes it has to get dramatic to make the point stay home and stop the spread.

The numbers here have followed the IMHE model so I think it will be true July 1 will be safe in metro NY, but they may open sooner. Right now quarantine extended till June 13. The model has been right so far, so the protesters should just wait and stop their demonstrations.

[Edited on 5/19/2020 by gina]

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 03:24 PM
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No...just the 82 year olds, who friggin BUILT this country.





Which we all know. And they still managed not to protect them very well.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 03:49 PM
@piacere - copy you loud and clear
 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 04:05 PM
Well here a statistic for you. Seven years ago my daughter had a miscarriage and lost her baby, or as republicans refer to it as a ďlate term abortionĒ. She gave birth last year to the only child she will ever have a beautiful baby girl. Her husbandís mother died of brain cancer when he was nineteen. My mother who was a nurse worked in infection control, she was only 82 and was at work the day before she was admitted to the ICU and was intubated and died three days later. My sister was a nurse and died when she was 32 from a staph infection she got from the hospital she worked at. My son is a diabetic and my husband has high blood pressure. My husband can still fit in the same suit we were married in so this is not an issue of obesity as well as my son. So my granddaughter only has one grandmother and that is me. Should I throw myself on the sword for Donald Trumpís stock market, a haircut, to go party at bar, go see a show? Anne Frank was isolated for over two years in an attic with 7 other people. If a child can endure that isolation should I cry because I canít get my hair done? The pioneers were locked in their home for months during the winter, how about Valley Forge. Has this country become so weak that they are willing to sacrifice their own parents and grandparents for a haircut?

So truly if that is how you feel go to a Trump Rally, don't wear a mask. Go cruise around a hospital ICU with active virus patients without mask and then go to your family's house and cough in their faces. That way you get your haircut and sacrifice your parents and grandparents for the DT Stockmarket and consider yourself more of a patriot then the pioneers of this country or the healthcare workers who literally put their lives on the line to save people like you when you are sick and dying.


[Edited on 5/19/2020 by PattyG]

[Edited on 5/19/2020 by PattyG]

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 04:56 PM
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No...just the 82 year olds, who friggin BUILT this country.





Which we all know. And they still managed not to protect them very well.


That's not what you said.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 05:09 PM
Well here in Georgia:


https://nypost.com/2020/05/19/georgia-agency-bashed-for-using-erroneous-cor onavirus-data/

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 05:33 PM
Wahoo! here come PattyG cavalry , just watch em scatter!
 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 05:38 PM
This is ironic, I'm about to leave to get my hair cut at 7:15.

I will be wearing a mask...I assume as required in Ohio, the lady cutting my hair will be as well. I will report back if it is of such interest.

My wife is 60 with a weakened immune system to having RA and the drugs she takes for it. Up until now she has only seen a very limited number of immediate family members. Until yesterday, she went to the garden center to get some outdoor plants for the house. She wore a mask, tries to stay away from people, has plenty hand sanitizer. She called a couple weeks ago about getting her hair done, said get me the first day in June you can. Her appointment is June 13th. They are pretty busy now.

People have to make their own decisions. People have to take precautions, but people have to choose what they want to do and not do with risks being what they are.

We aren't Trump lovers. Sure I voted for him 2016, won't be in 2020. My wife hates Trump and has an Obama t-shirt.

For me, for us, this had nothing to do with politics other than the fact we enjoy following political story lines and issues.

I'm getting my hair cut tonight. I'm sorry if that is going to upset some people. Stay sheltered in place if it makes you feel safe. I'm not going to berate you if you do. Everyone has to do what everyone has to do.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 06:13 PM
Look if it is important enough for you then go for it. For me getting my hair done is not that important. For the record I do not fear death I have seen enough of it to no longer fear it, but my granddaughter needs to grow up having known her only grandmother. I have no wish to spread this in any way if possible. If more people took it seriously it would not bother me but they don't. We usually take a ride around town and since Georgia is open people are out in droves and hardly anyone is wearing masks. Most people do not realize that when you sneeze hard the sprays comes out at a hundred miles an hour. When your mother worked in infectious control you learn these things. That person has the virus they have no symptoms does not cover their mouth and nose and is buying a toy for their kid. They leave the isle then a kid with asthma comes along and touches the toy that was just sneezed on. And on and on it goes. The kid had a mask on but no gloves and just scratched a small cut or wipes their eyes.

We have a governor who can't get his number's straight and a population who think it is a hoax. I am working from home and our CEO said that we will continue to do so. I work for an insurance company with tons of actuarial's. They are running the numbers and the numbers say stay home.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 07:24 PM
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Well here a statistic for you. Seven years ago my daughter had a miscarriage and lost her baby, or as republicans refer to it as a ďlate term abortionĒ. She gave birth last year to the only child she will ever have a beautiful baby girl. Her husbandís mother died of brain cancer when he was nineteen. My mother who was a nurse worked in infection control, she was only 82 and was at work the day before she was admitted to the ICU and was intubated and died three days later. My sister was a nurse and died when she was 32 from a staph infection she got from the hospital she worked at. My son is a diabetic and my husband has high blood pressure. My husband can still fit in the same suit we were married in so this is not an issue of obesity as well as my son. So my granddaughter only has one grandmother and that is me. Should I throw myself on the sword for Donald Trumpís stock market, a haircut, to go party at bar, go see a show? Anne Frank was isolated for over two years in an attic with 7 other people. If a child can endure that isolation should I cry because I canít get my hair done? The pioneers were locked in their home for months during the winter, how about Valley Forge. Has this country become so weak that they are willing to sacrifice their own parents and grandparents for a haircut?

So truly if that is how you feel go to a Trump Rally, don't wear a mask. Go cruise around a hospital ICU with active virus patients without mask and then go to your family's house and cough in their faces. That way you get your haircut and sacrifice your parents and grandparents for the DT Stockmarket and consider yourself more of a patriot then the pioneers of this country or the healthcare workers who literally put their lives on the line to save people like you when you are sick and dying.



Great post!

I got the news today that my son the EMT just got back from a three week deployment to NYC.

Now we wait to see the results of his antibody test when he gets one.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 07:30 PM
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We usually take a ride around town and since Georgia is open people are out in droves and hardly anyone is wearing masks.


Can you post evidence/proof from more than one source that states that beyond any doubt Face masks stop this pathogen? It's not about what people think, or addressing their fears, does the face mask stop covid? because if the answer is, "well it limits it" then we are right back to square one with the "Flattening the curve" argument that was supposed to take the burden off hospitals and stop overcrowding (which never happened) And if face masks are the cure all, why did not the experts say this from day one?

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 07:50 PM
I don't mind using a mask. It isn't that big a deal.
 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 08:09 PM
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I don't mind using a mask. It isn't that big a deal.


That's not the point. Do they work?...Most of the evidence says no, the particulate is too small...The bandana as a face mask is almost a joke.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 08:31 PM
W/masks hindering identities like they are, video surveillance security systems are compromised in a big way - doesnít seem to have been a spike in burglaries/thefts as part of the pandemic -
Pier 1 Imports, closing
JC Penny, same (240 stores)
Countless lives lost
No hugging, concerts, ballgames...
Not that I was there, but the Plague has nothing on the pandemic panic
Hopefully America will reopen soon

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 08:46 PM
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Well here in Georgia:


https://nypost.com/2020/05/19/georgia-agency-bashed-for-using-erroneous-cor onavirus-data/


First:

"I suppose data could be manipulated. I was actually surprised that cases would drop as reopening are allowed to occur....almost sounds like right-wing spin. I am fully prepared to see at least mini-spikes and hot spots pop up, it only seemed logical and natural it would. Having cases go down while opening up seems illogical and a strange coincidence."

 

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I don't mind using a mask. It isn't that big a deal.


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That's not the point. Do they work?...Most of the evidence says no, the particulate is too small...The bandana as a face mask is almost a joke.


Ok, it isn't your point. It is my point. I am fine with wearing a mask. It is a new fashion - even if it is pointless it is a statement that you give a damn, a sign of courtesy. Like I said, not a big deal.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 08:54 PM
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We usually take a ride around town and since Georgia is open people are out in droves and hardly anyone is wearing masks.




Can you post evidence/proof from more than one source that states that beyond any doubt Face masks stop this pathogen? It's not about what people think, or addressing their fears, does the face mask stop covid? because if the answer is, "well it limits it" then we are right back to square one with the "Flattening the curve" argument that was supposed to take the burden off hospitals and stop overcrowding (which never happened) And if face masks are the cure all, why did not the experts say this from day one?


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I don't mind using a mask. It isn't that big a deal.


That's not the point. Do they work?...Most of the evidence says no, the particulate is too small...The bandana as a face mask is almost a joke.


I wear a mask. I also think it's not a big deal. Even if 6 months or a year from now somebody says we were fools for wearing masks, I don't care, I'll be a fool. I think it makes sense.

There are some problems, it's not fool-proof. Virus can enter your eyes. Your fingers could be contaminated when you go to put on or take off your mask.

A business can require you to wear one. A bank can require you to take your hat off when you come in. A warehouse and manufacturing facility can require you to wear safety toe shoes and eye protection even for visitors.

It's fine. I usually wear a mask. I was in a hot semi trailer helping unload some donated items for a local non-profit. I started with a mask (hot and sweaty). I ended without a mask. But every other time I wear it.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 09:06 PM
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Look if it is important enough for you then go for it. For me getting my hair done is not that important. For the record I do not fear death I have seen enough of it to no longer fear it, but my granddaughter needs to grow up having known her only grandmother. I have no wish to spread this in any way if possible. If more people took it seriously it would not bother me but they don't. We usually take a ride around town and since Georgia is open people are out in droves and hardly anyone is wearing masks. Most people do not realize that when you sneeze hard the sprays comes out at a hundred miles an hour. When your mother worked in infectious control you learn these things. That person has the virus they have no symptoms does not cover their mouth and nose and is buying a toy for their kid. They leave the isle then a kid with asthma comes along and touches the toy that was just sneezed on. And on and on it goes. The kid had a mask on but no gloves and just scratched a small cut or wipes their eyes.

We have a governor who can't get his number's straight and a population who think it is a hoax. I am working from home and our CEO said that we will continue to do so. I work for an insurance company with tons of actuarial's. They are running the numbers and the numbers say stay home.



I'm fine with your point of view and opinion and bristly reaction. tbomike can reply to his own extent. I thought it was strange that I too was getting my hair cut today.

It wasn't that it was necessarily so important to me. I could've gone longer, I could've had my wife cut it, hell I could've just shaved it off.

Getting my hair cut is just like my wife going to the garden center. Or when we go out to eat for the first time. Or when I walk into a bank or the BMV for the first time. Or when I get on an airplane for the first time, hopefully next month.

I don't want to get infected and I don't want to infect anyone else. I don't want to be a hermit either. I'll take precautions in doing the things I do so hopefully those things don't happen, but I acknowledge the possibility exists. There are many risks we must live with and if this virus is going to be with us for the foreseeable future, or even extended future as some have estimated, I, and we all, need to figure out how to live with the threat of the virus in our lives.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 09:15 PM
Forget the Covid - covering the mouth is a long overdue hygiene practice in modern crowds. No more excited people spraying spittle, no more of those random "oyster squirts" you know those pressurized streams that people generate? It will slow down the spitters, and at least somewhat stop the larger globs of peoples' internal goodness. Ir will be a great social equalizer - No more goodlooking people charming their way thru life, or ugly people shunned. And just think how exciting and erotic noses and mouths will become! oo la la
 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 09:17 PM
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even if it is pointless it is a statement that you give a damn, a sign of courtesy.


Interesting, if it is pointless to whom are you being courteous?

 

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