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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 06:13 PM
Look if it is important enough for you then go for it. For me getting my hair done is not that important. For the record I do not fear death I have seen enough of it to no longer fear it, but my granddaughter needs to grow up having known her only grandmother. I have no wish to spread this in any way if possible. If more people took it seriously it would not bother me but they don't. We usually take a ride around town and since Georgia is open people are out in droves and hardly anyone is wearing masks. Most people do not realize that when you sneeze hard the sprays comes out at a hundred miles an hour. When your mother worked in infectious control you learn these things. That person has the virus they have no symptoms does not cover their mouth and nose and is buying a toy for their kid. They leave the isle then a kid with asthma comes along and touches the toy that was just sneezed on. And on and on it goes. The kid had a mask on but no gloves and just scratched a small cut or wipes their eyes.

We have a governor who can't get his number's straight and a population who think it is a hoax. I am working from home and our CEO said that we will continue to do so. I work for an insurance company with tons of actuarial's. They are running the numbers and the numbers say stay home.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 07:24 PM
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Well here a statistic for you. Seven years ago my daughter had a miscarriage and lost her baby, or as republicans refer to it as a “late term abortion”. She gave birth last year to the only child she will ever have a beautiful baby girl. Her husband’s mother died of brain cancer when he was nineteen. My mother who was a nurse worked in infection control, she was only 82 and was at work the day before she was admitted to the ICU and was intubated and died three days later. My sister was a nurse and died when she was 32 from a staph infection she got from the hospital she worked at. My son is a diabetic and my husband has high blood pressure. My husband can still fit in the same suit we were married in so this is not an issue of obesity as well as my son. So my granddaughter only has one grandmother and that is me. Should I throw myself on the sword for Donald Trump’s stock market, a haircut, to go party at bar, go see a show? Anne Frank was isolated for over two years in an attic with 7 other people. If a child can endure that isolation should I cry because I can’t get my hair done? The pioneers were locked in their home for months during the winter, how about Valley Forge. Has this country become so weak that they are willing to sacrifice their own parents and grandparents for a haircut?

So truly if that is how you feel go to a Trump Rally, don't wear a mask. Go cruise around a hospital ICU with active virus patients without mask and then go to your family's house and cough in their faces. That way you get your haircut and sacrifice your parents and grandparents for the DT Stockmarket and consider yourself more of a patriot then the pioneers of this country or the healthcare workers who literally put their lives on the line to save people like you when you are sick and dying.



Great post!

I got the news today that my son the EMT just got back from a three week deployment to NYC.

Now we wait to see the results of his antibody test when he gets one.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 07:30 PM
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We usually take a ride around town and since Georgia is open people are out in droves and hardly anyone is wearing masks.


Can you post evidence/proof from more than one source that states that beyond any doubt Face masks stop this pathogen? It's not about what people think, or addressing their fears, does the face mask stop covid? because if the answer is, "well it limits it" then we are right back to square one with the "Flattening the curve" argument that was supposed to take the burden off hospitals and stop overcrowding (which never happened) And if face masks are the cure all, why did not the experts say this from day one?

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 08:09 PM
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I don't mind using a mask. It isn't that big a deal.


That's not the point. Do they work?...Most of the evidence says no, the particulate is too small...The bandana as a face mask is almost a joke.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 08:31 PM
W/masks hindering identities like they are, video surveillance security systems are compromised in a big way - doesn’t seem to have been a spike in burglaries/thefts as part of the pandemic -
Pier 1 Imports, closing
JC Penny, same (240 stores)
Countless lives lost
No hugging, concerts, ballgames...
Not that I was there, but the Plague has nothing on the pandemic panic
Hopefully America will reopen soon

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 08:46 PM
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Well here in Georgia:


https://nypost.com/2020/05/19/georgia-agency-bashed-for-using-erroneous-cor onavirus-data/


First:

"I suppose data could be manipulated. I was actually surprised that cases would drop as reopening are allowed to occur....almost sounds like right-wing spin. I am fully prepared to see at least mini-spikes and hot spots pop up, it only seemed logical and natural it would. Having cases go down while opening up seems illogical and a strange coincidence."

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 08:54 PM
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We usually take a ride around town and since Georgia is open people are out in droves and hardly anyone is wearing masks.




Can you post evidence/proof from more than one source that states that beyond any doubt Face masks stop this pathogen? It's not about what people think, or addressing their fears, does the face mask stop covid? because if the answer is, "well it limits it" then we are right back to square one with the "Flattening the curve" argument that was supposed to take the burden off hospitals and stop overcrowding (which never happened) And if face masks are the cure all, why did not the experts say this from day one?


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I don't mind using a mask. It isn't that big a deal.


That's not the point. Do they work?...Most of the evidence says no, the particulate is too small...The bandana as a face mask is almost a joke.


I wear a mask. I also think it's not a big deal. Even if 6 months or a year from now somebody says we were fools for wearing masks, I don't care, I'll be a fool. I think it makes sense.

There are some problems, it's not fool-proof. Virus can enter your eyes. Your fingers could be contaminated when you go to put on or take off your mask.

A business can require you to wear one. A bank can require you to take your hat off when you come in. A warehouse and manufacturing facility can require you to wear safety toe shoes and eye protection even for visitors.

It's fine. I usually wear a mask. I was in a hot semi trailer helping unload some donated items for a local non-profit. I started with a mask (hot and sweaty). I ended without a mask. But every other time I wear it.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 09:06 PM
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Look if it is important enough for you then go for it. For me getting my hair done is not that important. For the record I do not fear death I have seen enough of it to no longer fear it, but my granddaughter needs to grow up having known her only grandmother. I have no wish to spread this in any way if possible. If more people took it seriously it would not bother me but they don't. We usually take a ride around town and since Georgia is open people are out in droves and hardly anyone is wearing masks. Most people do not realize that when you sneeze hard the sprays comes out at a hundred miles an hour. When your mother worked in infectious control you learn these things. That person has the virus they have no symptoms does not cover their mouth and nose and is buying a toy for their kid. They leave the isle then a kid with asthma comes along and touches the toy that was just sneezed on. And on and on it goes. The kid had a mask on but no gloves and just scratched a small cut or wipes their eyes.

We have a governor who can't get his number's straight and a population who think it is a hoax. I am working from home and our CEO said that we will continue to do so. I work for an insurance company with tons of actuarial's. They are running the numbers and the numbers say stay home.



I'm fine with your point of view and opinion and bristly reaction. tbomike can reply to his own extent. I thought it was strange that I too was getting my hair cut today.

It wasn't that it was necessarily so important to me. I could've gone longer, I could've had my wife cut it, hell I could've just shaved it off.

Getting my hair cut is just like my wife going to the garden center. Or when we go out to eat for the first time. Or when I walk into a bank or the BMV for the first time. Or when I get on an airplane for the first time, hopefully next month.

I don't want to get infected and I don't want to infect anyone else. I don't want to be a hermit either. I'll take precautions in doing the things I do so hopefully those things don't happen, but I acknowledge the possibility exists. There are many risks we must live with and if this virus is going to be with us for the foreseeable future, or even extended future as some have estimated, I, and we all, need to figure out how to live with the threat of the virus in our lives.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 09:17 PM
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even if it is pointless it is a statement that you give a damn, a sign of courtesy.


Interesting, if it is pointless to whom are you being courteous?

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 09:38 PM
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Some people are really terrified and are clearly grateful for the gesture.


Mmmm. Too many News broadcasts where the Death totals in Spain are the lead story. Perhaps not wearing a mask could be an indicator that you are not afraid and are ready to get back to life....

Flip a coin

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 09:43 PM
I'm with BrerRabbit, I do it out of courtesy like I had posted about before. Customers are not required by the state to wear one (unless the business mandates patrons wear one, which they can do), but if all the employees have to do it...some of which probably don't like having to do it, I'll do it too with them.

I think it probably helps some, but even if it didn't...I'll pick another battle to fight another day. The mask really is fine. Some people will wear one, some people won't. I don't go as far as wear one when I hike and most people I pass also don't have one, but I have passed 1 person who was hiking in the woods with a mask on and I passed 3 women who all pulled up their masks when I passed them. So whatever...it's mask season. I think most of us can live with that for a while to see where this thing ends up going.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 09:48 PM
So yeah, the haircut.

They lock the door so nobody can come in that they aren't ready for. It's a keyed deadbolt, they leave the key in it ,but I wonder about fire code on that.

You wait in your car until they call you. They checked my temperature upon entering, 100.4 or higher and you can't come in (that is per the state of Ohio). They sprayed my hands with something that I assumed was an alcohol product. The chair was still partially wet with disinfectant that was in the process of drying. They have shower curtains hanging from the ceiling between the chairs. 3 workers, all wearing face shields and 2 wearing masks. 4 patrons including me all wearing masks.

Lady that cut my hair is working 12 to 14 hour days right now M-F with one day off and some partial hours on Saturday.

 

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  posted on 5/19/2020 at 10:01 PM
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Instead of being the big toughguy drill sergeant you could maybe relax show a little respect and empathy for those not as brave as you and adopt a silly social convention to ease the tension.


You do you and I will do me.

 

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Instead of being the big toughguy drill sergeant you could maybe relax show a little respect and empathy for those not as brave as you and adopt a silly social convention to ease the tension.


You do you and I will do me.


I laughed.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2020 at 04:54 AM
Wearing a mask protects the next guy more than you. We all may be asymptomatic carriers. You should be grateful when your neighbor is wearing a mask. You should provide him with the same courtesy

 

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Instead of being the big toughguy drill sergeant you could maybe relax show a little respect and empathy for those not as brave as you and adopt a silly social convention to ease the tension.


You do you and I will do me.


I laughed.


Not me.

On the contrary.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2020 at 07:02 AM
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Wearing a mask protects the next guy more than you. We all may be asymptomatic carriers. You should be grateful when your neighbor is wearing a mask. You should provide him with the same courtesy


I don't get the big deal of wearing a mask. There's no downside.

Stormy, The link you posted re the study of exactly what activities aerosolize the virus farther & longer was really helpful - singing more than running more than talking - & that the duration of being around potentially affected persons was more important than just passing them.

I've read some beach opening rules that allow sunbathing based on the assumption that sitting alone on a beach blanket is less risky than walking amidst a group of runners. The caution is not to sit there for 8 hours - more like 2.

So be a considerate human being & wear a mask when interacting w/others. As we keep being reminded, we're all in this together.




 

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  posted on 5/20/2020 at 08:12 AM
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Wearing a mask can significantly reduce coronavirus transmission, study on hamsters claims
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/19/coronavirus-wearing-a-mask-can-reduce-trans mission-by-75percent-new-study-claims.html



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  posted on 5/20/2020 at 08:44 AM
I wear the mask - if for no other reason than to show support and solidarity with the overworked hospital staffs and even the grocery store clerks and cashiers. I'm honestly not sure how much good the mask does (so many conflicting reports and opinions - especially on the internet), but it shows (I hope) that I am taking the virus seriously and am wiling to do my own part in lessening its effects.

The "anti-maskers" don't worry me as much as those who "have had enough", and insist on assembling in large groups in spite of warnings of the virus. This past weekend, a crowd reported to number near 3,000 assembled for a block party in Volusia County, Florida. I should've KNOWN, but I never suspected that you could assemble so many obstinate and ... "questionably intelligent" souls in one spot. I don't care if these folks were black, white, green or chartreuse - all of their drivers license or SSI number should be taken (without arrest) so that they can be denied access to scarce ventilators should they develop serious symptoms. I still imagine that down the road - somebody (or group of somebodies) will file a lawsuit against the government for failing to protect them from their own stupidity. Yeah, stay tuned! It'll happen.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/us/florida-block-party-arrests/index.html

 

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  posted on 5/20/2020 at 10:31 AM
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Like it or not the mouth and nose are on their way to becomng private parts.

[Edited on 5/20/2020 by BrerRabbit]


So true, & so sad - this thing has kicked our butts from the onset - good observation

 

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  posted on 5/20/2020 at 10:32 AM
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Was working on trail last week - I wasnt masked - there was a young woman wearing a mask who went six feet off trail into brush to maintain distance.


"To maintain distance"...As in respecting the 6 ft. social distancing guideline? I do the same and you know, this simple of act of respect can be so easily accomplished without a mask!

 

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Deal is, effective or not, it is helping folks cope.


"Effective or not".....Good for you! Funny, the same people here who do not give a damn about others political feelings on this board and resort to epithets and name calling when a simple disagreement about the president arises are the same ones now preaching good, wholesome friendliness and respect toward others...Please. spare us this bullsh*t.

 

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^ I get it, social change is irritating.


There is a huge difference between the evolution of agreed upon social behaviors and over reaction due solely to fear....But you are correct, the panic and the "change" some have adopted for themselves is extremely irritating.

 

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Wearing a mask can significantly reduce coronavirus transmission, study on hamsters claims
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/19/coronavirus-wearing-a-mask-can-reduce-trans mission-by-75percent-new-study-claims.html



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I'm not sure what you're saying.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2020 at 12:37 PM
Nevermind. If you don't get why I laughed. Probably good we all don't think alike.
 
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