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  posted on 5/9/2020 at 10:05 AM
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Certainly not worthy of the ridiculous measures we've taken.

Now that statement just pisses me off.

The Trump administration's response to the coronavirus crisis has been an absolute chaotic disaster and these extreme measures had to be put in place because:

TRUMP FAILED TO TAKE THIS AS SERIOUSLY AS HE WAS BEING ADVISED TO. OVER. AND. OVER.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2020 at 10:16 AM
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Certainly not worthy of the ridiculous measures we've taken.

Now that statement just pisses me off.

The Trump administration's response to the coronavirus crisis has been an absolute chaotic disaster and these extreme measures had to be put in place because:

TRUMP FAILED TO TAKE THIS AS SERIOUSLY AS HE WAS BEING ADVISED TO. OVER. AND. OVER.


The good news is that in the battle of the brains between Dr. Trump & Dr. Fauci, Dr. Trump says Covid19 will just disappear. I don't even know why Trump lets Dr. Fauci hang around since Trump knows more. Probably should have gotten rid of Dr. Fauci just like he got rid of the NSC Pandemic Unit. It's all a hoax anyway, right?

Trump says coronavirus will disappear without a vaccine. Fauci has said the opposite.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-says-coronavirus-will-disappear-w ithout-a-15257748.php

 

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  posted on 5/9/2020 at 11:31 AM
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Certainly not worthy of the ridiculous measures we've taken.


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Now that statement just pisses me off.


Really toxic stuff.
Most of us get it, see the common sense
Their arrogant and self-centered worldview


Once again, there is only one way to see things and to disagree requires labeling

 

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  posted on 5/9/2020 at 11:40 AM
Interesting numbers. From the Heritage Foundation so some might dismiss them but.


With many state and local governments starting to relax stay-at-home orders, it’s instructive to examine just how concentrated the spread of COVID-19 has been in the U.S.

Although all U.S. states have reported cases of COVID-19, the distribution of the cases and deaths has remained heavily concentrated in a small number of states, and among a small number of counties within all states.

For instance, as of May 4, just 10 states account for 70% of all U.S. cases and 77% of all deaths. Together, New York and New Jersey alone account for 38% of all cases and 48% of total COVID-19 deaths.
ust five states—New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Illinois, and California—account for 54% of all of the confirmed cases in the U.S. and 61% of all coronavirus deaths.

These state-level figures do not, however, adequately describe the concentrated nature of the spread of COVID-19.

As the first chart shows, the 30 counties with the most COVID-19 cases account for 50% of all the cases in the U.S. (and 57% of all deaths). That is, just 1% of the counties in the U.S. are responsible for half of the country’s coronavirus cases and more than half of the deaths.

Of those 30 counties, 24 are in the Northeast corridor between Philadelphia and Boston, the passageway served by a commuter railway system that runs through Manhattan. Overall, just 11% of the counties in the U.S. contain nearly 95% of all the COVID-19 deaths.

Just as important, as the second chart shows, 52% of all U.S. counties have had zero COVID-19 deaths as of May 4.

Also as of May 4, 13 states have deaths that remain unallocated to respective counties. At most, those allocations could reduce the number of zero-death counties by 2 percentage points.

The chart also illustrates that 66% of all U.S. counties have no more than one coronavirus death, 80% have five or fewer, 86% have 10 or fewer, and 89% have fewer than 15.

Put another way, only about 10% of the counties in the U.S. have more than 15 or more COVID-19 deaths, and throughout the epidemic, the spread of COVID has remained highly concentrated in a handful of geographic locations in the U.S.


 

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  posted on 5/9/2020 at 12:35 PM
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Once again, there is only one way to see things and to disagree requires labeling


Once again, you label my personal views as labeling, and assume that I think my viewpoint is the only way to see things.


You will characterize things with your own sense as will most here, forgive me for wondering why a simple "I disagree" is not used more here and yes, I see phrases like "Really toxic stuff"..."Most of us get it, see the common sense"..."Their arrogant and self-centered worldview"...as condescending and a bloated sense of righteousness. And no, not looking for confrontation, but like you, just expressing an opinion about an opinion.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2020 at 12:46 PM
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Fair enough

 

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  posted on 5/9/2020 at 03:33 PM
This is a good read

Non political

https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

 

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  posted on 5/10/2020 at 08:13 AM
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https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoi d-them

Thanks for posting Dr. Bromage's observations. She really makes the point that it's not just the proximity to someone who may be sick or asymptomatic & sick, but the duration & type of exposure. The fact that singing is significantly more contagious than talking or breathing was surprising (unless one had given it significant thought). The example of 60 sickened people out of a 64-person choir singing for 2.5 hours in an enclosed space was harsh; certainly explains why clubs w/live music are hotspots.

Hard to find politics in useful facts unless one rejects all science.

 

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  posted on 5/10/2020 at 08:27 AM
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Trump says coronavirus will disappear without a vaccine. Fauci has said the opposite.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-says-coronavirus-will-disappear-w ithout-a-15257748.php


I would definitely take something Fauci said more seriously than Trump. Even though Fauci did not seem to predict the seriousness of this virus in his comments earlier this year, that doesn't make him less of an expert to me, it just shows me understanding what can or will happen with a new virus is difficult.

My question is, what if this does go away...like SARS did? SARS-CoV1 went away without a vaccine. Nobody has been infected with the original SARS since 2004. It went away.

Trump shouldn't say he knows this one will go away, Trump shouldn't say or do a lot of things.

There is chance that if Covid-19, SARS-CoV-2, follows the 2003 SARS-CoV-1...it could go away.

Maybe there are some comparisons out there between the two viruses that explains why it could or why it couldn't go away.

Your point is taken, Trump giving this kind of opinion is pure speculation or even wishful thinking. But at the same time, it is possible if history is any example.

 

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  posted on 5/10/2020 at 08:51 AM
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Interesting numbers. From the Heritage Foundation so some might dismiss them but.


With many state and local governments starting to relax stay-at-home orders, it’s instructive to examine just how concentrated the spread of COVID-19 has been in the U.S.

Although all U.S. states have reported cases of COVID-19, the distribution of the cases and deaths has remained heavily concentrated in a small number of states, and among a small number of counties within all states.

For instance, as of May 4, just 10 states account for 70% of all U.S. cases and 77% of all deaths. Together, New York and New Jersey alone account for 38% of all cases and 48% of total COVID-19 deaths.
ust five states—New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Illinois, and California—account for 54% of all of the confirmed cases in the U.S. and 61% of all coronavirus deaths.

These state-level figures do not, however, adequately describe the concentrated nature of the spread of COVID-19.

As the first chart shows, the 30 counties with the most COVID-19 cases account for 50% of all the cases in the U.S. (and 57% of all deaths). That is, just 1% of the counties in the U.S. are responsible for half of the country’s coronavirus cases and more than half of the deaths.

Of those 30 counties, 24 are in the Northeast corridor between Philadelphia and Boston, the passageway served by a commuter railway system that runs through Manhattan. Overall, just 11% of the counties in the U.S. contain nearly 95% of all the COVID-19 deaths.

Just as important, as the second chart shows, 52% of all U.S. counties have had zero COVID-19 deaths as of May 4.

Also as of May 4, 13 states have deaths that remain unallocated to respective counties. At most, those allocations could reduce the number of zero-death counties by 2 percentage points.

The chart also illustrates that 66% of all U.S. counties have no more than one coronavirus death, 80% have five or fewer, 86% have 10 or fewer, and 89% have fewer than 15.

Put another way, only about 10% of the counties in the U.S. have more than 15 or more COVID-19 deaths, and throughout the epidemic, the spread of COVID has remained highly concentrated in a handful of geographic locations in the U.S.




Here is the link for this, there are some stories linked within and a couple charts accompanying the story:
https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/over-half-us-counties-hav e-had-no-covid-19-deaths

tbomike, I don't think you yourself have looked at heritage foundation stories very often, right? Hey, let's look at all the different angles on this...left, right, middle, independent, good information can come from different sources to provide insight. And then we have to sort through the BS too, because it's out there. Breaking down the statistics and demographic interests me.

According to the NY Times, 35% of Covid deaths in the US have come from nursing home facilities.

I remember when I was a kid there was a stigma with nursing homes, I remember my grandma saying in the 1980s "Don't put me in a home". Elderly did not want to go to the limited number of "homes" that were around back then. Instead many choose to stay in their own houses or moved in with family who could look after them. By the time the mid 90s rolled around, my other grandma willingly went to a new nursing home facility many of her friends were choosing to go to.

So back during the Hong Kong flu, comparing that to now, there was no widespread senior living industry like there is now. And how unfortunate and sad when this virus gets into those buildings of vulnerable populations of our parents and grandparents. Just as we have higher density population centers now in our country, we also have more congregate living centers now. And, which has been noted already, our life expectancy has increased, but that doesn't mean we are a healthier population as a whole, because we are not healthier.

My mind just wonders about all these things, like if Covid-19 had hit in 1968/69 would the deaths been any different than what they estimate was 100,000 back then or would the death rate remained about the same? And by the same token, if the Hong Kong flu from 68/69 had hit now, would it produce similar infections and deaths to what we have now because our society is more vulnerable now than it was then?

Life is different now, society has changed, our vulnerabilities have changed.

 

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  posted on 5/10/2020 at 08:55 AM
NYT story on nursing home infections and deaths. Nearly 20 states have half or more of their deaths stemming from nursing homes.

I'm not making any comment implied or otherwise, just submitting the data.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/09/us/coronavirus-cases-nursing -homes-us.html

[Edited on 5/10/2020 by nebish]

 

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  posted on 5/10/2020 at 09:11 AM
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This is a good read

Non political

https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them


Excellent. Very informative. Reinforces the use of masks.

One thing to mention, it doesn't take away from the essence of the restaurant infection example, I think the story appeared in the NYT, the 4 people who became infected dining at the known infected person's table could've been infected at some point earlier due to previous exposure and contact with A1.

Otherwise, I hope everyone reads that to get an understanding of what risks you put yourself at in what settings and how the virus might or might not spread.

 

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  posted on 5/10/2020 at 11:45 AM
Glad you guys like it, I found it very informative.
I don’t think he mentioned one of the 1st (if not the 1st) known outbreaks in the Boston area. There was the infamous Biogen meeting. One guy travelled from Italy and infected several others in the meeting, some of the then got on a plane and travelled elsewhere. Just google Biogen meeting for details
Today there is a report of an outbreak in Pasadena at a birthday party- some guy was coughing without a mask
My fear is as we relax, we forget social distancing and masks- then boom.
It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that someone travels from a rural location with few or no cases to a meeting somewhere, gets infected, goes home and attends church/ meeting/ party whatever, then an outbreak starts. Indoor Crowded places make me nervous. My synagogue has services on Zoom for that reason.

 

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  posted on 5/10/2020 at 01:32 PM
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Glad you guys like it, I found it very informative.
I don’t think he mentioned one of the 1st (if not the 1st) known outbreaks in the Boston area. There was the infamous Biogen meeting. One guy travelled from Italy and infected several others in the meeting, some of the then got on a plane and travelled elsewhere. Just google Biogen meeting for details
Today there is a report of an outbreak in Pasadena at a birthday party- some guy was coughing without a mask
My fear is as we relax, we forget social distancing and masks- then boom.
It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that someone travels from a rural location with few or no cases to a meeting somewhere, gets infected, goes home and attends church/ meeting/ party whatever, then an outbreak starts. Indoor Crowded places make me nervous. My synagogue has services on Zoom for that reason.


Good post. Thx.

It just goes to show how easily transmission is. These days I'm going out to the bare minimal places I have to go. Whenever I do I always wear a mask. I wish others would. One of my daughter's friends went to the store the other day & said she got the death stare from others at the florist. She said she didn't know why because she said she's Covid free. BTW - the friend hasn't been tested.

The next month or so should give a good idea of impact of relaxing closures & the correlation to cases and deaths reported.

 

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  posted on 5/10/2020 at 05:55 PM
Blind leadin the blind round this place.

 

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  posted on 5/10/2020 at 07:23 PM
Fauci, Redfield, and Hahn are all in self quarantine. Pence is "distancing". But the rest of you schlepps get back to work! MAGA!!!

 

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  posted on 5/11/2020 at 02:26 PM
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To all y'all, QUIT STARING AT ME.


Keep it on, man. Believe me we would stare at you worse if we could see your face! Damn, man you should sign up as an extra for The Walking Dead!


You did know that it's filmed in central Georgia?

 

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  posted on 5/11/2020 at 05:08 PM
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Blind leadin the blind round this place.



Says the expert on infectious diseases.

 

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  posted on 5/11/2020 at 06:00 PM
"A worker infected 533 others with coronavirus at a factory in Ghana, president says"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/11/africa/ghana-factory-coronavirus-infection-i ntl/index.html

Granted it's Ghana and it's working dynamics are much different the U.S. but it's still something to consider.

 

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  posted on 5/11/2020 at 09:06 PM
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"A worker infected 533 others with coronavirus at a factory in Ghana, president says"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/11/africa/ghana-factory-coronavirus-infection-i ntl/index.html

Granted it's Ghana and it's working dynamics are much different the U.S. but it's still something to consider.




That is pretty crazy! I've searched for some other sources with more detail.

Doubt that place had any safety measures in place.

Read Ghana GDP expected to fall to lowest level in 37 years.

 

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4913 of our cases have come from meat packing plants as of May 1st.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6918e3.htm?s_cid=mm6918e3_x

 

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^ Strikes me as significant data - maybe it is carried in meat. Or some connect with meat. Supposedly started in animal matter. Worth checking up on anyway.


If true we better hope old luke isn't serving his BFF Dickey any tainted BBQ.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2020 at 08:54 PM
Here is what has happened in Ohio:

May 1 – outpatient elective medical procedures allowed to resume (includes dental and veterinary)

May 4 – construction, manufacturing and distribution that had halted, could resume. Also general office environments can reopen.

May 12 – retail stores and service companies reopen (retail had been allowed to do appointment only from May 1st until now).

May 15 – restaurants and bars open for outside dining only – additionally, hair salons, barbershops, day spas, nail salons, tanning facilities, massage parlors, tattoo and piercing shops allowed to open

May 21 – inside restaurant dining, state park camp grounds (some private camp grounds with long-term or annually leased spots have been allowed to open)

May 22 – horse racing can resume without spectators (racinos or casinos will not open)

May 26 – in person BMV, gyms and fitness centers (a lawsuit had been filed on behalf of gyms to allow them to reopen). Non-contact or limited contact sports leagues (like tennis and golf) can resume. Public pools can open (but not amusement parks or water parks).

May 31 – daycare

TBD – higher-contact sports leagues (like soccer, basketball), dance studios, outdoor recreation, casinos and tourism

Ohio House of Representatives passed bill to limit our Health Director's orders to no more than 14 days, only a bipartisan legislative committee could allow orders for longer. Senate plans to vote next week. Governor Dewine threatens a veto (not enough votes to overcome veto). The current modified “Stay Safe Ohio” runs until May 29th is filled with exceptions, but still says individuals are “ordered to stay at home or their place of residence except as allowed in this order”. At this point I resent still being "ordered" to stay home.

As of tomorrow (5/15) up to 90% of the Ohio economy will be allowed to open.

Ohio is only conducting an average of 4640 tests per day, but average daily testing total is up 1000 from just ten days ago. Governor says we have triple that capacity and actual tests will continue to ramp up. Per his previous comments we were supposed to be testing 7200-15000 daily now, he says we have the capacity to do that many but did not explain the disconnect (same disconnect that has befallen national testing). Ohio is making our own reagent and swabs.

We are averaging about 600 new cases a day right now. At our peak in late April we were averaging about 900 new cases a day. 11 of our last 14 days have seen numbers lower than the prior day, but our overall downward trajectory has stalled and plateaued. We get a bump up and then the numbers fall off a little, then another bump up and a couple more days of fall off, but it is mostly flat at this point.

Our number of patients currently hospitalized has been dropping anywhere from 2-9 people per day. April 22nd and 23rd we had over 1100 people in the hospital. The numbers are coming in about 1000 now with some totals showing in the 900s before revisions adjust it slightly upward.

We had 510 to 520 people in ICU in late April. These figures have been steadily dropping as well to mid/upper 300s in ICU on any given day now.

My county is 7th in the state for cases. We actually had a peak a week to ten days ago, but the cases have quickly dropped in recent days. Our current 7 day average for daily cases of 18.5 is the lowest it has since things started ramping up in early April. We admit 1-2 new patients per day in our local hospitals. Deaths in my county have peaked in the last several days with 5-6 per day. The last couple days show that is declining so far. We are 4th in the state for deaths. Almost 70% of our deaths were from long term care facilities and 99% of deaths in my county were said to have co-morbidity/underlying health problems.

I run my own spreadsheets so I can better track trends in the coming weeks as we open up. I have no expectation if we can or can't do this, will have to see where it goes.

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One number that does clear up some of the other statistics on Ohio's case count is % of positive/negative test results.

Our positive test rate has hit a low of 7.7% over the last 7 days averaged. Eight of our last ten days have had positive test rates in single digits. At our mid-April high we were getting positives at a 20-30% rate.

Hopefully this remains steady or even goes down more as testing increases. That should tell more than just looking at daily case increases.

 

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One number that does clear up some of the other statistics on Ohio's case count is % of positive/negative test results.

Our positive test rate has hit a low of 7.7% over the last 7 days averaged. Eight of our last ten days have had positive test rates in single digits. At our mid-April high we were getting positives at a 20-30% rate.

Hopefully this remains steady or even goes down more as testing increases. That should tell more than just looking at daily case increases.


I'm not sure how important that piece of data is. As more testing becomes available, you would expect those additional tests going to people without symptoms, who more often than not will test negative. You would expect that percentage to go down.

What would be a good sign is new cases going down dispite additional testing.

 
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