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Author: Subject: South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem has it right

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  posted on 4/7/2020 at 12:08 PM
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No thanks, I will freely admit that other than the fact that N.Y.C. is very densely populated and therefore subject to a higher rate of contagiousness, what the Governor has to say is just playing to the herd mentality. One size does not fit all, what NYC does for its people in no way should set a standard as to how other cities and States choose to administer to the health and well being of its constituents.

I applaud Governor Noem and will continue to do so.

Won't your hands get sore?

She has the luxury being in an area less affected (luckily Bike Week in Sturgis isn't until August, otherwise she would likely be in singing a different tune). Why the big applause for her not really needing to do anything rather than for those Governors and Mayors who had to mobilize? Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)? I'm just not sure what the argument is and why we should celebrate her more for having to do less (as of now).


Fair enough. I am applauding her stance on the role of Government.

 

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No thanks, I will freely admit that other than the fact that N.Y.C. is very densely populated and therefore subject to a higher rate of contagiousness, what the Governor has to say is just playing to the herd mentality. One size does not fit all, what NYC does for its people in no way should set a standard as to how other cities and States choose to administer to the health and well being of its constituents.

I applaud Governor Noem and will continue to do so.

Won't your hands get sore?

She has the luxury being in an area less affected (luckily Bike Week in Sturgis isn't until August, otherwise she would likely be in singing a different tune). Why the big applause for her not really needing to do anything rather than for those Governors and Mayors who had to mobilize? Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)? I'm just not sure what the argument is and why we should celebrate her more for having to do less (as of now).


Fair enough. I am applauding her stance on the role of Government.

Yeah but, is there something that another Governor is doing that you disagree with regarding her statement? No Governor I'm aware of wants to install extreme public safety measures or aid businesses or people financially. Even the South Dakota COVID response website states:

"Governor Kristi Noem announced Friday, March 20, 2020 that small businesses and non-profit organizations in South Dakota that have been negatively impacted by the global COVID-19 virus are now eligible for economic assistance from the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA)."

You started this thread applauding her response in a crisis situation, but SD is nearly last among states in the number of cases (along with its neighboring low population western states). What are we applauding her for? I just don't see an issue this addresses.

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You know why there is nobody up in Dakota? Because it is Siberia. They don't need to self quarantine. They are under lockdown much of the year anyway, scurrying from truck to store to trailer.

We might as well have the Martian Colony weighing in on the crisis.




 

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ďGovernor Kristi Noem announced Friday, March 20, 2020 that small businesses and non-profit organizations in South Dakota that have been negatively impacted by the global COVID-19 virus are now eligible for economic assistance from the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA)."


No no, that kind of government intervention is just fine!

 

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Sorry to ruin your hopes. Been lurking, cant sit by and watch you play Red State cowboy from your lazyboy in the Blue Oasis of Arizona. Its b*llshit.


You are certainly entitled to your opinion. And you have not ruined anything... I have always been and will continue to be highly entertained by your incessant whining and inability to digest the possibility that there are people out there with the nerve to disagree with you.


FFS, this tired ass response again?

Get some new material.

 

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I was under the impression that you were through with this site?


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This whole thread was a veiled attempt to criticize New York City/liberals/democrats/yawn. Get over it already.

For sure, and right now South Dakota has the luxury of doing something different than NY because, well, the situation is different there. I just haven't seen anyone say South Dakota should respond the same way New York State is responding. But I'm sure COVID-19 recognizes borders.

I have read that Ammon Bundy (yeah, that guy) and others in Idaho want death AND unfettered liberty no matter what, regardless of the Republican Governor's "stay at home" order.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/us/coronavirus-idaho-bundy-patriot.html

 

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Fact is you live in South Dakota and most of Idaho you are in voluntary exile. Self-quarantine is not an issue when you are peeing icicles alone in an empty landscape. These folks hollering around out in the middle of nowhere are full of sh!t.

I guarantee you if Covid comes to Bundy's compound there will be ZERO liberty. These types talk real big about freedom but you can bet they are tyrants of their little armed fortresses. Lockdown is a way of life for these bunkerists.

Biggest city in South Dakota, Sioux Falls, pop. 127,000 . The governor of South Dakota is managing the equivalent population of one small American city, spread out over thousands of square miles. Wonderful for them, fine they can do what they feel is needed and STFU - Their situation has no bearing on densely populated areas and no place in the dialogue.

 

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


On the contrary, it means everything. The Constitution was written as a safeguard for the people and is our means of keeping the Government in check. It is not a document that is anyway meant to be translated as the Government having ultimate power.

"We the people" are the government. We, not them.


You are right, "We the people" are the government, who as set forth in the constitution elect representatives to make decisions on your behalf. It is your government, and "the people" can elect a different representative to act on your behalf if you don't like the way you are being represented, either on a local or national level. Feel free to tell me exactly which lines of the constitution are being violated right now. I have a copy of the constitution right here, so it would be fun to have that discussion.


" It is your government, and "the people" can elect a different representative to act on your behalf if you don't like the way you are being represented, either on a local or national level. "

I don't feel our elected officials are acting on our behalf and have not for decades. Government is top heavy and will only continue down this path...75% of our populace can't even tell you who their Congressman is much less what he does. Imagine how that model looks when you include, Judges, Senators, Assemblymen, State Senators, Mayors, City Councilman and so on, some of whom have been in office for decades.

"Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. "

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As I interpret them


"Domestic tranquility" provides for an assumed agreement between the states to provide calm, which is exactly what South Dakota is doing in claiming that they are not New York. New York is choosing option A and S.D. is not. The Constitution provides for this which is commonly specified as "States Rights".

"Providing for a common defense" is a direct allusion to readiness for War, meaning that Nevada will devote all of its resources in the defense of Oklahoma and Massachusetts for Oregon should we be attacked by a foreign power.

"Promote the general welfare" To defend one State as equally as the others. "Defend" vs. "Provide"...This is a key provision, the Government is under no Constitutional obligation to "provide" anything but freedom and limits to the Government's power. It is our right to decide for ourselves how best to determine what is safe in a time of personal crisis.

I do not wish for my Government to have, exercise or dictate control on how I choose to exercise my rights. Suggest all you want, but do not dare "order" us to do anything under the threat of arrest or citation under any guise.

Don't feel as though your Constitutional rights are being violated?....Just wait, our silence and eagerness to be afraid, while looking to the Government to "Do something" mean only one thing. More control is right around the corner.

I've a question for you 2112. "How long can we the people expect the Economy of this Republic to last in this current state"?

I admire The Governor of South Dakota for standing up for her constituents in saying "We will not willingly sink"

Bravo!


Frankly it does not matter if you think your representatives are properly representing you or not. I certainly don't think Trump is effectively representing me, but he was elected per the constitution so I accept that. If you don't think your representatives are representing you, you have every opportunity to try to vote them out. If you don't like they system, well then you don't like the constitution, because that is how it was written.

Again, I have no problem with rural states having less restrictive measures. Whatever works.

But if you live in a populous state, then more drastic measures are needed. How long can the economy take it? Well, the economy isn't going to thrive if millions die. How do you think China's economy would do in the long term if they didn't take the drastic measures that they did? And yes, promote the general welfare is of the utmost importance here. That is what the stay in place order is all about.

Being patriotic means shared sacrifice. In the best case scenario, twice as many Americans are going to die in the next couple months from COVID-19 than died in over 10 years of fighting in the Vietnam War. I think staying at home for a couple months is far less of a sacrifice than sending young men off to fight in the jungle.

 

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Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)?


Actually yes. The media has been banging this drum about states not conforming to "stay at home" orders for weeks now. The President and task force members repeatedly get peppered with the same questions about a national stay at home order and strict national guidance. Plenty of guests and talking heads saying the governors who are not acting are "irresponsible", "dangerous", "careless", "incompetent". Chuck Todd's show on MSNBC right now just had a guest say some of those exact words when referring to one such state (Missouri).

It's like the media wants Trump so badly to say "ok, everyone must issue stay at home order" only then they will rip apart the failures in forces all the states to conform to one standard.

Governors should act according to their demographic, their circumstances. Some will get it right, some might not get it right, some will get it right at some point in between. Some may have to take more drastic and proactive restrictions, others will be able to have more flexibility in their actions.

To your question, has anyone been saying South Dakota should be doing the same thing as California and New York? Specifically for South Dakota I have not heard that. But broadly for every state that doesn't have such an order, yes they have and they have been doing so quite often.

 

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Fact is you live in South Dakota and most of Idaho you are in voluntary exile. Self-quarantine is not an issue when you are peeing icicles alone in an empty landscape. These folks hollering around out in the middle of nowhere are full of sh!t.

I guarantee you if Covid comes to Bundy's compound there will be ZERO liberty. These types talk real big about freedom but you can bet they are tyrants of their little armed fortresses. Lockdown is a way of life for these bunkerists.

Biggest city in South Dakota, Sioux Falls, pop. 127,000 . The governor of South Dakota is managing the equivalent population of one small American city, spread out over thousands of square miles. Wonderful for them, fine they can do what they feel is needed and STFU - Their situation has no bearing on densely populated areas and no place in the dialogue.


Right on.

I spent about 6 months in in SD bringing up a health care claims processing operation for the state. It's beautiful out there & has some neat history. I'll bet there is a larger bison population than people. The good governor's perspectives are reflective of & proportional to the breadth of the state in which she governs.

On another note - welcome back, Brer. I trust your sabbatical was successful. Hopefully you have some new material to try out on those who "love" your calling out their positions the most.

 

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Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)?


Actually yes. The media has been banging this drum about states not conforming to "stay at home" orders for weeks now. The President and task force members repeatedly get peppered with the same questions about a national stay at home order and strict national guidance. Plenty of guests and talking heads saying the governors who are not acting are "irresponsible", "dangerous", "careless", "incompetent". Chuck Todd's show on MSNBC right now just had a guest say some of those exact words when referring to one such state (Missouri).

It's like the media wants Trump so badly to say "ok, everyone must issue stay at home order" only then they will rip apart the failures in forces all the states to conform to one standard.

Governors should act according to their demographic, their circumstances. Some will get it right, some might not get it right, some will get it right at some point in between. Some may have to take more drastic and proactive restrictions, others will be able to have more flexibility in their actions.

To your question, has anyone been saying South Dakota should be doing the same thing as California and New York? Specifically for South Dakota I have not heard that. But broadly for every state that doesn't have such an order, yes they have and they have been doing so quite often.

It's amazing the conversations I (thankfully) miss out on not having cable.

I get the sentiment, I've mentioned here in south Florida that different approaches on a smaller scale (neighboring towns) did not work. I have a brother in Spain, and they waited until Italy got bad before they prepared for impact, and now it's worse there. But those are more densely populated areas. Generally, most people are going to stay home. Like banning jarts, it's the few people who take it too far that cause suggested behaviors to become orders. So if people insist on gathering in Fargo for some reason, someone might have to insist they not, for the safety of everyone else around them.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2020 at 06:15 PM
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How long can the economy take it? Well, the economy isn't going to thrive if millions die.


The economy will certainly tank if millions are out of work for than 3 months, small businesses will fail with industry suffering next. Certainly a conversation about the future of the economy is one that needs to be had and soon. How does the thought of a depression sound?

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How do you think China's economy would do in the long term if they didn't take the drastic measures that they did?.


China's economy is the least of my concerns

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In the best case scenario, twice as many Americans are going to die in the next couple months from COVID-19 than died in over 10 years of fighting in the Vietnam War. I think staying at home for a couple months is far less of a sacrifice than sending young men off to fight in the jungle.


We have zero proof that staying at home is going to do anything beyond "Flattening the curve" and then what?..Can you get it a second time? Will we develop an immunity? There is so much the "experts" do not know and amazing how much the media influences everyday life because the "experts" are not sure about anything, nor can they realistically project what even the near future holds. The "best case scenario" looks way more bleak for the economy than it does for the future of health on this Planet....

 

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So China, which has at a minimum 3 TIMES the population of the US has not seen any spread of the virus to Beijing or Shanghai, two of the most populous cities in the world. This seems really strange to me in light of how easy the virus spreads.

Here are the 10 most populated cities in the world, as reported by Time.
Shanghai, China.
Mumbai, India. ...
S„o Paulo, Brazil. ...
Beijing, China. ...
Mexico City, Mexico. ...
Osaka, Japan. ...
Cairo, Egypt. ...
New York-Newark, United States. ...

 

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I don't think there is any question that our hero Dumb Donald is guilty 10 times over for his initial delay in taking the virus seriously and even worse, convincing the public the threat was not serious!!! I would say this Lady could be headed a similar direction? I was at Krogers and the annoying Hoosier Hillbilly cashier girl, been there for years, loudly ranting and and raving how she is sick and tired of all this damn hoax etc? Unreal!! She didn't have a mask, 80% of the shoppers did, I had on 2.........stay hunkered......care about one another..........joe
 

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Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)?


Actually yes. The media has been banging this drum about states not conforming to "stay at home" orders for weeks now. The President and task force members repeatedly get peppered with the same questions about a national stay at home order and strict national guidance. Plenty of guests and talking heads saying the governors who are not acting are "irresponsible", "dangerous", "careless", "incompetent". Chuck Todd's show on MSNBC right now just had a guest say some of those exact words when referring to one such state (Missouri).

It's like the media wants Trump so badly to say "ok, everyone must issue stay at home order" only then they will rip apart the failures in forces all the states to conform to one standard.

Governors should act according to their demographic, their circumstances. Some will get it right, some might not get it right, some will get it right at some point in between. Some may have to take more drastic and proactive restrictions, others will be able to have more flexibility in their actions.

To your question, has anyone been saying South Dakota should be doing the same thing as California and New York? Specifically for South Dakota I have not heard that. But broadly for every state that doesn't have such an order, yes they have and they have been doing so quite often.

It's amazing the conversations I (thankfully) miss out on not having cable.

I get the sentiment, I've mentioned here in south Florida that different approaches on a smaller scale (neighboring towns) did not work. I have a brother in Spain, and they waited until Italy got bad before they prepared for impact, and now it's worse there. But those are more densely populated areas. Generally, most people are going to stay home. Like banning jarts, it's the few people who take it too far that cause suggested behaviors to become orders. So if people insist on gathering in Fargo for some reason, someone might have to insist they not, for the safety of everyone else around them.


True, if you donít like it, you wonít find any benefit in it. Just because I have cable/satellite doesnít mean I have to watch.

But I like hearing what people are saying and how they are positioning their positions.

So tonight, I normally watch CNN for their kinda dinner hour timeframe coverage. Thereís been this talk around how maybe the networks shouldnít carry these task force briefings because of the Presidentís misinformation, ramblings and attacks on the press. What do they do tonight? Carry all of the a Trump part, which is the most worthless part, then when Trump leaves the room handing off to Pence, Fauci and Birx CNN drops it. So they carry the sensational misleading part they supposedly donít like and donít carry the most informative part.

I donít know why I like it but I do. I surround myself with it, trying to pick up on different views either by TV, radio, and papers.

BigV has his own reasons for starting the thread, the debate about how some states are holding out against a stay at home and shelter in place order is what came into my head based on frequent calls by the media for everyone to do the same thing (or along the same lines).

 

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How long can the economy take it? Well, the economy isn't going to thrive if millions die.


The economy will certainly tank if millions are out of work for than 3 months, small businesses will fail with industry suffering next. Certainly a conversation about the future of the economy is one that needs to be had and soon. How does the thought of a depression sound?

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How do you think China's economy would do in the long term if they didn't take the drastic measures that they did?.


China's economy is the least of my concerns

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In the best case scenario, twice as many Americans are going to die in the next couple months from COVID-19 than died in over 10 years of fighting in the Vietnam War. I think staying at home for a couple months is far less of a sacrifice than sending young men off to fight in the jungle.


We have zero proof that staying at home is going to do anything beyond "Flattening the curve" and then what?..Can you get it a second time? Will we develop an immunity? There is so much the "experts" do not know and amazing how much the media influences everyday life because the "experts" are not sure about anything, nor can they realistically project what even the near future holds. The "best case scenario" looks way more bleak for the economy than it does for the future of health on this Planet....


Sounds like you want everything to reopen right away and whoever dies, dies. I personally don't think having the virus spread more quickly is going to be good for the economy, but we will just have to disagree on that. I'm glad you are in the minority. Even Trump, who has a major case of denial, seems to finally understand the importance of the shelter in place.

And the reason you should be concerned with what is happening in China is that they are a few months ahead of us. We should be paying attention to what works there and what doesn't work. Learn from other people's mistakes and successes. We have several models of what can happen for countries that experienced the outbreak earlier than us - China, South Korea, Italy. Hong Kong and Macau are both densely populated cities that got hit before us and neither had the widespread cases and deaths that NY has. In fact, Hong Kong had less than 950 cases and only 4 deaths (fewer deaths than South Dakota). You may not care about Hong Kong, but ignoring their success is nothing but celebrating ignorance.

 

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I donít know why I like it but I do.


I know it's only mind control
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And the reason you should be concerned with what is happening in China is that they are a few months ahead of us.

I agree we can learn from those who are ahead of us, but China did pretty much round people up. They were much more aggressive in their containment. Also they are only sharing the bare minimum of info.

 

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welcome back, Brer. I trust your sabbatical was successful


thx man - like I told BigV I was lurking - figure if I avoid muleman I can do this. e.g. reading his dismissal of the legit concerns of American Hospital Association, because NPR reported them, that type of thing, I just gotta stay out of it.

 

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view him the same way you view a deranged homeless person begging for change.


I tell them "Change comes from within, brother".

 

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  posted on 4/8/2020 at 04:11 AM
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We have zero proof that staying at home is going to do anything beyond "Flattening the curve" and then what?..Can you get it a second time? Will we develop an immunity? There is so much the "experts" do not know and amazing how much the media influences everyday life because the "experts" are not sure about anything, nor can they realistically project what even the near future holds.


A regular Joe criticizing doctors and health experts for not knowing enough....JFC. How about you turn off the TV and do whatever you please?



Are you being sarcastic? I ask only because RI got a grade of "C" for it's social distancing. Lots of people doing as they please, which to me, exacerbates and perpetuates the problem. On the other hand, what the hell good is a 14 day quarantine? If every single person did it, every person, then yeah, I could see a high level of effectiveness. Short of that, this thing marches on. This stay at home nonsense; for how long? 14 days? What good is that? 3 months? Through the predicted next wave in the fall? From what I've seen in RI this thing will never go away. Wear a mask, stay the F away from me (I've said that 50 times the last 3 weeks) wash your hands, all the stuff we're supposed to do BC "we're all in this together". (BTW, we're not in this together, its those of us who are considerate, courteous and aware v. an abundance of ignoramuses.

Ty for allowing me to vent. I despise the inconsiderate actions of some people.

 

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  posted on 4/8/2020 at 12:02 PM
I pay close attention when Fauci talks.

Can you imagine the conversation between him and his loved ones every night during dinner?

Trump must be driving him crazy.

 

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  posted on 4/8/2020 at 12:14 PM
Fauci comes from a world where uncertainty and the unknown are a large part of every plan to develop a drug or vaccine. You really dont know until you do the testing so you cant ever say for sure about the questions people want answers to now. These tests can take a year or more. Of course he is now thrust in the spotlight to answer these questions. Many of those asking the questions dont care about the answer, only whether it makes President Trump look bad.

 

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  posted on 4/8/2020 at 12:17 PM
"The president seems oblivious to the fact that his own clown car of an administration bungled the priceless lead time we had to get ready for the pandemic." --Maureen Dowd, NY Times

 

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