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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 07:16 PM
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"The role of Government in a crisis situation"

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Blah, blah, blah.....she's wrong, more to governing than collecting taxes and dodging tuff issues? At least she is super hot huh BIGV? Seems I remember You mentioning in a recent thread how important it was to You that the Republican Representative had a much hotter wife than the Democratic Representative??? Now explain this to me, is she one of the Corona models Trumpty spoke of???.............Peace.......joe
 

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Blah, blah, blah.....she's wrong, more to governing than collecting taxes and dodging tuff issues? At least she is super hot huh BIGV? Seems I remember You mentioning in a recent thread how important it was to You that the Republican Representative had a much hotter wife than the Democratic Representative??? Now explain this to me, is she one of the Corona models Trumpty spoke of???.............Peace.......joe


Nonsensical noise aside, she is speaking directly to the role of government, what it should do and what it should not. I agree with her. If you do not, I will sleep just fine.

Not too much to say if does not involve your opinion on the President heh?

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 09:34 PM
I Just think there are good deal of things that could be and should be done, I will listen again as it did move fast, but I am firm in my belief that the the Federal and some State Governments are doing a criminally negligent job with the virus this far, in a situation in which is once in a lifetime and they really could have shined, the lack of testing is a major concern!! I am also firm in my belief what a wimpy little orange dick head our boy is!!! His Corona virus press was a real freakin sh!t show, 99% of what gurgled from his ignorant punkin face was misinformation and down right lies, he does work super hard in a couple areas and I can really appreciate that, he excels and puts a lot of effort in dodging an any responsibility and he has masterfully hoodwinked a large % of folks that he is some kind of legitimate leader, bad joke.........Peace..



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I Just think there are good deal of things that could be and should be done, I will listen again as it did move fast, but I am firm in my belief that the the Federal and some State Governments are doing a criminally negligent job with the virus this far, in a situation in which is once in a lifetime and they really could have shined, the lack of testing is a major concern!! I am also firm in my belief what a wimpy little orange dick head our boy is!!! His Corona virus press was a real freakin sh!t show, 99% of what gurgled from his ignorant punkin face was misinformation and down right lies, he does work super hard in a couple areas and I can really appreciate that, he excels and puts a lot of effort in dodging an any responsibility and he has masterfully hoodwinked a large % of folks that he is some kind of legitimate leader, bad joke.........Peace..Joe



This thread was directed at what I thought was real leadership in a time where people are bowing at the Holy alter of the media and panicking because of the fear that is being spread.....

"Peace"....please

 

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Does anyone else get distracted by the sign language aides in these things? I have a hard time not watching at them like the entire time.
 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 10:37 PM
Well, I agree with her that such drastic measures may not be needed in rural states, but I disagree with her on what the roll of government is in a crisis situation. You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence, and pay attention to this part "insure domestic tranquility, provide for a common defense, promote the general welfare" as being the reasons we have a constitution at all. Common defense...promote the general welfare - isn't that what is needed in a crisis situation? We all need to help each other out here, and the only way to promote the general welfare is by providing a common defense. That isn't going to happen without the government helping out, and frankly that is what the government is for.
 

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 11:07 PM
Listened again and I will take half a step back and apologize and let this lady make the necessary decisions for her state. I live in Indiana and I pretty much like what Holcomb has been saying, I couldn't even say for sure what party he is, I am not really that political, I do vote, bad with names, I assume hes Republican and I do realize our larger cities do have serious problems with virus containment, treatment etc, hopefully plays out best possible everywhere......I been throwing a little xtra crap myself the last 2 weeks, a few reasons, most of us are at least partly cooped up, even for this place it has been a little flat, so like everyone I fling some **** and a good amount of it is legitimate and sticks!!! I truly do care about people, like I said, my best buddy has picked me up for work for 25 yrs, he is a psychopathically right wing dude, mean and pretty ruff to be around for alot of folks, he is a Vietnam Vet and refuses to retire, I mean this is hard factory work!! We dont dare discuss politics, we just subconsciously know it would be bad for both of us???......Bottom Line.....like it or not, to some degree, we IS all tied together.....So Peace Indeed.....shute I am severely asthmatic, worst I've ever seen, my youngest boy also, he 20yrs.........still laughing and lovin even though any time this **** could grab my ass......I am well aware that there is an invisible demon on the loose, trying to act accordingly!!!
 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 11:09 PM
I get both sides. These states with different approaches with less dense populations and how it went will been seen in the final analysis. Or they could error on the side of caution even if it isnít fully necessary. Which would be right?

Dr Fauci said today in talking to some of these hold out governors that they in effect are promoting the premise of a stay home directive without calling it that.

In Ohio we have a stay home order, except for the literal countless local and regional businesses that are still open in some capacity. Some are borderline if they fit the essential definition but itís up to interpretation... like stay at home, except for you, for you and you and you, etc who work here and her or there and there, etc. And stay at home except if you want take out food, or if you want to exercise in the park or if you have to go to the store or buy some parts for your lawn mower. How many millions under stay at home orders are going out to work still everyday?

It doesnít matter what itís called, how are people conducting themselves?

If Governors see their constituents not adhering to the distancing and protective guidelines then they can impress upon them the importance with government mandate. Less densely populated states can have different approach. Metro areas and heavily populated suburban areas needed to act more swiftly due to the proximity of their populations. This is local governments knowing what works for their regions.

The point is, as long as people in the community take it upon themselves to be responsible and respectful of others listening to the guidelines, some states donít have to all do the same thing. And when needed or necessary, governors should take actions they deem appropriate.

In Ohio, Things have got ramped up over time, with more restrictions eased in. The media just wants so bad to shame these states and for the President to tell them what to do. That is what they do, they fixate and just hammer and hammer and hammer away trying to force action in the way they think must be right for everyone.

I think the way it has worked so far has been mostly ok. The spring break vacationers bothered me, but you have all those people there, you canít just flip a switch and say everyone go home at once. It has to be managed. A national stay at home order could create a backlash or even panic and local governors would lose control and credibility to manage their states. Whoís in charge? Your state knows best and is in charge. Do we actually want more people looking at a Trump for guidance instead of governors? Instead states have been able to slowly turn up their initiatives as they deem necessary. Like Fauci said, it doesnít have to be called stay at home if the stop the spread guidelines are followed.

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 11:23 PM
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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Way off on the thinking, "We the people", elect what we hope is an honest, fair, efficient intelligent leadership to guide and spend tax money and lead the resources we have, police, fire, military, health and safety resources, to the best use. There are some situations "We the people" are not capable of dealing with.
For what it means, my Granfather was born in Italy in 1904, passed in 1990, saw alot, came to the U.S. in 1918 and years later became a citizen, anyway, in 1915 a massive quake here near his town, 30,000 people died, he told me it would have been double, they all would have died if the American Red Cross wouldn't had arrived within days!!!!..........I do mean Peace Ya'll........ .we gonna get through this crap!

 

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"We the People"


Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.

 

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


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Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


On the contrary, it means everything. The Constitution was written as a safeguard for the people and is our means of keeping the Government in check. It is not a document that is anyway meant to be translated as the Government having ultimate power.

"We the people" are the government. We, not them.

 

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Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


On the contrary, it means everything. The Constitution was written as a safeguard for the people and is our means of keeping the Government in check. It is not a document that is anyway meant to be translated as the Government having ultimate power.

"We the people" are the government. We, not them.


You are right, "We the people" are the government, who as set forth in the constitution elect representatives to make decisions on your behalf. It is your government, and "the people" can elect a different representative to act on your behalf if you don't like the way you are being represented, either on a local or national level. Feel free to tell me exactly which lines of the constitution are being violated right now. I have a copy of the constitution right here, so it would be fun to have that discussion.

 

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


On the contrary, it means everything. The Constitution was written as a safeguard for the people and is our means of keeping the Government in check. It is not a document that is anyway meant to be translated as the Government having ultimate power.

"We the people" are the government. We, not them.


You are right, "We the people" are the government, who as set forth in the constitution elect representatives to make decisions on your behalf. It is your government, and "the people" can elect a different representative to act on your behalf if you don't like the way you are being represented, either on a local or national level. Feel free to tell me exactly which lines of the constitution are being violated right now. I have a copy of the constitution right here, so it would be fun to have that discussion.


" It is your government, and "the people" can elect a different representative to act on your behalf if you don't like the way you are being represented, either on a local or national level. "

I don't feel our elected officials are acting on our behalf and have not for decades. Government is top heavy and will only continue down this path...75% of our populace can't even tell you who their Congressman is much less what he does. Imagine how that model looks when you include, Judges, Senators, Assemblymen, State Senators, Mayors, City Councilman and so on, some of whom have been in office for decades.

"Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. "

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As I interpret them


"Domestic tranquility" provides for an assumed agreement between the states to provide calm, which is exactly what South Dakota is doing in claiming that they are not New York. New York is choosing option A and S.D. is not. The Constitution provides for this which is commonly specified as "States Rights".

"Providing for a common defense" is a direct allusion to readiness for War, meaning that Nevada will devote all of its resources in the defense of Oklahoma and Massachusetts for Oregon should we be attacked by a foreign power.

"Promote the general welfare" To defend one State as equally as the others. "Defend" vs. "Provide"...This is a key provision, the Government is under no Constitutional obligation to "provide" anything but freedom and limits to the Government's power. It is our right to decide for ourselves how best to determine what is safe in a time of personal crisis.

I do not wish for my Government to have, exercise or dictate control on how I choose to exercise my rights. Suggest all you want, but do not dare "order" us to do anything under the threat of arrest or citation under any guise.

Don't feel as though your Constitutional rights are being violated?....Just wait, our silence and eagerness to be afraid, while looking to the Government to "Do something" mean only one thing. More control is right around the corner.

I've a question for you 2112. "How long can we the people expect the Economy of this Republic to last in this current state"?

I admire The Governor of South Dakota for standing up for her constituents in saying "We will not willingly sink"

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  posted on 4/7/2020 at 08:16 AM
She even admits that there is no "one size fits all". She has the benefit of governing South Dakota, a state that has fewer cases because it is less populated and less densely populated, and has far less travel in and out than major transportation hubs. She even admits it is not New York - were she there or California, areas where people are more densely packed, she maybe have a different approach.

California has flattened the curve a bit with their more drastic measures. After holding out and leaving it up to "the people", FL Governor DeSantis came to the conclusion that he needed more drastic measures because he left it up to the people and local municipalities which didn't work.

Her approach works for South Dakota, I'm not sure why she is framing it in "common sense conservative values". She comes off as naive and a bit ignorant of what is happening in other areas. What California is doing isn't the same as China - her comment regarding China is a total straw man. Government is still responsible for public health and safety, because government is the people.

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  posted on 4/7/2020 at 08:35 AM
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Does anyone else get distracted by the sign language aides in these things? I have a hard time not watching at them like the entire time.


Sadly, yes. I keep thinking there's closed captioning for the TV audience, the radio audience can't see the signer, & the on-site audience is hearing reporters. It seems antiquated.


 

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You might want to pull out your copy of the constitution and read the very first sentence


"We the People"


Those are the first 3 word of a very long sentence that explains the purpose of the government and why we have the constitution. There are 6 purposes for the constitution (and therefore our government) outlined in that sentence. Three of them apply in relation to the pandemic as far as I interpret them - (1) insure domestic tranquility, (2) provide for a common defense, (3) promote the general welfare. Our founders thought half of the purposes of our government apply here. If were are all sick, then "We the people" doesn't mean very much.


On the contrary, it means everything. The Constitution was written as a safeguard for the people and is our means of keeping the Government in check. It is not a document that is anyway meant to be translated as the Government having ultimate power.

"We the people" are the government. We, not them.


Uh...we are them all one in the same. They as you put them are US citizens just like "we" are...we are them...they are elected representatives we send to make decisions about situation like this...there is no separation except in your head...ya know who's lying to you BIGV...you, you lie to yourself...how's about you take an hour and watch Andrew Cuomo's daily new brief and get educated on how bad it can get if we don't take action butI it seems if it doesn't directly effect you it's not an issue.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2020 at 11:21 AM
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No thanks, I will freely admit that other than the fact that N.Y.C. is very densely populated and therefore subject to a higher rate of contagiousness, what the Governor has to say is just playing to the herd mentality. One size does not fit all, what NYC does for its people in no way should set a standard as to how other cities and States choose to administer to the health and well being of its constituents.

I applaud Governor Noem and will continue to do so.

I am guessing that you live in either California or N.Y.?

 

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I am guessing that you live in either California or N.Y.?


You live in California and New York. Sedona would not exist without NYC or LA. Sedona is a satellite colony of the wealthiest and bluest strata of California and New York so take your phoney baloney Arizona John Wayne act and shove it. Sedona is so wonderful and cushy because it is a rich blue fantasyland.

You want to be taken seriously as an Arizona conservative move to Dewey, Winslow, or Kingman.


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Sedona would not exist without NYC or LA. Sedona is a satellite colony of the wealthiest and bluest strata of California and New York so take your phoney baloney Arizona John Wayne act and shove it. Sedona is so wonderful and cushy because it is a rich blue fantasyland.

You want to be taken seriously as an Arizona conservative move to Dewey, Winslow, or Kingman.


I was under the impression that you were through with this site?

Or were you just whining?

I do not care how you take me.

 

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Sorry to ruin your hopes. Been lurking, cant sit by and watch you play Red State cowboy from your lazyboy in the Blue Oasis of Arizona. Its b*llshit.

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Sorry to ruin your hopes. Been lurking, cant sit by and watch you play Red State cowboy from your lazyboy in the Blue Oasis of Arizona. Its b*llshit.


You are certainly entitled to your opinion. And you have not ruined anything... I have always been and will continue to be highly entertained by your incessant whining and inability to digest the possibility that there are people out there with the nerve to disagree with you.

 

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I do not wish for my Government to have, exercise or dictate control on how I choose to exercise my rights. Suggest all you want, but do not dare "order" us to do anything under the threat of arrest or citation under any guise.


Bothered by laws? Sounds like a personal problem, nothing more. Kudos to each state for doing what they need to do to survive.


Let's steer this attempt at arguing for arguments sake toward your credibility, shall we?..I am still waiting on you to substantiate your assertion that I used the word "Ugly" in reference to a woman in an earlier post. And you of all people are the last person to use the words "Personal problems", LOL, you have can't even differentiate a "Personal attack" from someone expressing an opinion about a group of elected officials.

 

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No thanks, I will freely admit that other than the fact that N.Y.C. is very densely populated and therefore subject to a higher rate of contagiousness, what the Governor has to say is just playing to the herd mentality. One size does not fit all, what NYC does for its people in no way should set a standard as to how other cities and States choose to administer to the health and well being of its constituents.

I applaud Governor Noem and will continue to do so.

Won't your hands get sore?

She has the luxury being in an area less affected (luckily Bike Week in Sturgis isn't until August, otherwise she would likely be in singing a different tune). Why the big applause for her not really needing to do anything rather than for those Governors and Mayors who had to mobilize? Did someone state that everyone needed to respond in the same way that CA or NYC did (niether of which was the same response, by the way)? I'm just not sure what the argument is and why we should celebrate her more for having to do less (as of now).

 

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