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  posted on 2/9/2020 at 07:11 PM
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Yet you reply to almost everything I post with something contrary to my posisition?


itís not the position itself, but rather the disingenuous explanations, such as equating Trump with other politicians, or the Dem/Hillary bashing. my biggest frustration with the whole Trump story is that the right never seems to have a good explanation for such a choice. Everyone knows Hillaryís 40-year track record in Washington does not warrant the reaction Trump created about her. letís just all get real at this point. there shouldnít be anything to hide. what was it that made the right willing to go from great people like Reagan and Bush, to this? seems pretty clear that the right chose Trump to piss off the left, and nothing more. if thatís the case, no judgments - letís discuss what the left did to make the right do something like this. Iím of the belief that the anger is probably justified - the only mistake is the way they went about it.


The thinking of the MAGA crowd is that Trump > Reagan and Bush. Most probably can't tell you who RR is. They probably think that Trump is even greater than The Rock...wow.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 09:06 AM
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If you really believed that taking sides to begin with is politically hypocritical self-righteous BS, then...you wouldn't take a side, no matter how proportionate the banter is or isn't.

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A person can make fun of something going on and it isn't automatically taking one side or another. You know this has been my position for quite awhile. We've been done this road years ago, had a cordial interchange, and decided to agree to disagree on the matter. You can set your watch to how certain members will react to things on this board, I'm just having fun at the expense of pseudo-intellectual lemmings.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 09:35 AM
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Alamo Syndrome. Me against the ignorant heathen hordes. Ego wank.


I am having some fun. The behavior here is so predictable. The hive mentality is so fascinating. You can poke around, never knowing if you might get stung a time of two. Yet the ever present possibility of learning something is worth the risk. Accepting that you can be taught by those that fundamentally disagree with you is liberating It is the anecdote to modern day society.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 09:51 AM
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itís not the position itself, but rather the disingenuous explanations, such as equating Trump with other politicians,.


To some it is genuine, just as genuine as your explanations are to you. The pattern replays itself regardless of who holds the office, much less what party they are affiliated with. How much longer do we continue doing the same thing over and over again? The outcome on the surface appears different, but a little digging reveals it is almost exactly the same thing as before

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 10:21 AM
Fine posts gotdrumz - every president wears a target on his back, his opponents have said the same thing Trumpís do now - only removal will save the republic - Pete Townsend may have said it best, same olí song w/a new set of words


A tongue in cheek why-not-try-some-fun thread was started elsewhere recently about President Trump - it just brought out meanness in reply - yet as you said, a few posts, as looney as I think they are.....sometimes you can learn something constructive

A quick change to topic - did they ever complete counting in the Iowa caucuses - I never heard a definitive outcome - probably moot/impertinent w/primaries starting tmrw

Sincere best wishes to all candidates as they hit the campaign trail

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 10:36 AM
What I find most interesting is something happened in Iowa right?

I made some jokes about it
Which cued some to focus on that other faction (classic deflection)
and the sound of crickets permeates the Whipping Post?

If the corporate propaganda machines had mentioned a partisan perpetrator,.....this place would be humming

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 10:39 AM
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The behavior here is so predictable. The hive mentality is so fascinating.


Makes me wonder in which direction the hatred for the President will be channeled now, I mean with the impeachment debacle ending in failure.

Give it time, they'll find something.


 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 10:42 AM
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itís not the position itself, but rather the disingenuous explanations, such as equating Trump with other politicians


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To some it is genuine


how can he be equated to other politicians while also being the drain the swamp guy, refreshing new tough speaking style, who would blow up Washington? if you are saying you are not among them, fine, but if the right cannot explain the rationale for my above question, then we have a right to question the true motives of choosing him.

in the meantime, one who votes for Trump shouldnít be complaining about hostility since they invited it into all of our homes. letís be honest about whatís going to happen: whether fair or unfair, do you think Trump supporters will get any sympathy or be taken seriously when they complain about hostility? They went out of their way to choose it. Thatís why I believe Trump is terroristic in many ways - not towards liberals, but towards his own people. his voters will have a tough time with reputation once heís gone.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 10:50 AM
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Give it time, they'll find something.





The topic of this thread should give political junkies a fix, oh yeah recourse is always a partisan thing why expect a finger to be pointed at or by those that can't even laugh at themselves?

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 10:52 AM
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A person can make fun of something going on and it isn't automatically taking one side or another.



Unless you find the actions of The Democratic Party leadership sincerely "humorous"...

Then, you are being "hostile" towards a group and well, that is just not very tolerant.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 10:58 AM
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Makes me wonder in which direction the hatred for the President will be channeled now, I mean with the impeachment debacle ending in failure.

Give it time, they'll find something.


you did call him a loser buffoon.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 11:02 AM
Hey alright, an above-it-all buttlick daisychain! WhooHoo!

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 11:03 AM
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it just brought out meanness in reply


is this a problem for you Stephen?

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 11:04 AM
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the right cannot explain the rationale for my above question, then we have a right to question the true motives of choosing him.



I don't see you accepting any rationale that doesn't fit into your preconceived notions of those on the right, mileage may vary. Your logic fallacy lies within believing those on the right were solely responsible for electing him.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 11:13 AM
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Hey alright, an above-it-all buttlick daisychain! WhooHoo!



Now that was funny!

You can join in! Today I identify as an anus-less geometricphobe, so I can't call where you can put your tongue or the position we will be in?

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 11:14 AM
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how can he be equated to other politicians while also being the drain the swamp guy, refreshing new tough speaking style, who would blow up Washington?


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I don't see you accepting any rationale that doesn't fit into your preconceived notions of those on the right


my earlier argument was that we never get a good explanation, and based on the above, I was right. The dodging and running is exactly what Iím talking about.




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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 11:17 AM
Despite your transparent mind game you will vote Redhat of course. Above it all, nothing but disdain for everyone, looking down on all the lemmings, until you step into the booth in November and fellate your secret Redhat master.
 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 11:31 AM
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Makes me wonder in which direction the hatred for the President will be channeled now, I mean with the impeachment debacle ending in failure.

Give it time, they'll find something.


you did call him a loser buffoon.


I did, because ultimately, he is just like all politicians who've preceded him. Even the biggest losers can win. But my point will always be, who this loser defeated. And it makes the left's head scratching, directionless meandering no less entertaining and I love it.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 11:38 AM
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you did call him a loser buffoon.


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I did, because ultimately, he is just like all politicians who've preceded him.


you think Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush are buffoon losers? Not me.

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But my point will always be, who this loser defeated. And it makes the left's head scratching, directionless meandering no less entertaining and I love it.


interesting perspective - I donít think the left is confused about how she lost at all.




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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 11:43 AM
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you think Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush are buffoon losers? Not me.


You may not and this is fine, but look through history and it will not take you long to find that every president has its detractors who will stop at nothing to prove their point.

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I donít think the left is confused about how she lost at all.


I agree. They will find anyone, anything and everyone to blame ...except for Hillary

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 12:22 PM
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every president has its detractors


you think Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush are buffoon losers?


 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 12:30 PM
Damn . . . hey Goober, we need an honest Trump supporter in here! Your stealth Redhat cronies here are driving us crazy - they will say anything to avoid responsibility for supporting Trump.

All politicians are bad and Trump is just another one, what a crock. Just say you are for Trump and spare us all your pretzel chickenshitistics.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 01:15 PM
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Despite your transparent mind game you will vote Redhat of course. Above it all, nothing but disdain for everyone, looking down on all the lemmings, until you step into the booth in November and fellate your secret Redhat master.


I wasn't able to vote until 2004, when California gave convicted felons back the right to do so. I voted for Bush he turned out to be a warmonger. 2008, I voted Obama. He turned out to be the same thing. Didn't vote for President in 12 or 16, due to my disdain of politics at the federal level. I voted for a Democrat governor here in Montana, where I 'be loved since 2010. Don't vote for federal representives, congress/Senate don't give a crap bout anything but power and $. On the local level, I vote R, D, and I. Based on individual merit and benefit to the community. People who vote along party lines are scary. The arrogance in that mentality mirrors racism and fascism. It negates another opinion before taking any time to even consider possibilities.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 01:33 PM
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my earlier argument was that we never get a good explanation, and based on the above, I was right. The dodging and running is exactly what Iím talking about.


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I am not on the right so I can't t give an explanation, much less dodge or run from anything. We all have preconceived notions, some allow it to limit the ability to do things like compromise or respond in a pro-social manner. While others use it to justify an emotional reaction, to what they disagree with. Myself, I try to use them as starting point. Look at all other perspectives, get as much info as possible, communicate with those that agree/disagree with me, and hopefully learn from the experience.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2020 at 01:55 PM
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Myself, I try to use them as starting point. Look at all other perspectives, get as much info as possible, communicate with those that agree/disagree with me, and hopefully learn from the experience.


I believe it, but Iím not so sure youíve demonstrated that in this thread. you have been railing right along with us. Trump campaigned to prove he is not like any other previous candidate, hence draining the swamp, and hence his tough style. How can he be unique enough to blow up the system, but also the same as anyone else? Certainly you can see the contradiction.

 
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