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  posted on 12/18/2019 at 02:06 PM
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Points to consider: After the Clinton impeachment, Newt Gingrich lost his position as Speaker of the House, and Clinton's popularity increased.

Risky game for Nancy Pelosi & co., methinks.

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Possibly....But then again most people understand the difference between perjury about consensual oral sex and treasonous actions such that Trump has and continues to engage in.

Not to mention Trump has never enjoyed the popularity Clinton had before or after Impeachment. Significant difference methinks.

 

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  posted on 12/18/2019 at 02:06 PM
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Tom Cole just began his remarks by first asking Democrats to show respect for his opinion, and then seconds later he declares the whole thing a "charade", like a parrot. Someone should tell this clown that calling their serious work a "charade" reduces him to a carnival barker who deserves nothing. Had he not asked for respect first, then I wouldn't have thought anything of it, but to ask for it, and then insult their work, is evidence of a seriously flawed and misguided person, who shouldn't be leading anything.

Secondly, can someone supporting Trump explain to me why he didn't ask the United States to investigate an American? I've been asking this multiple times, and for some odd reason.......[Edited on 12/18/2019 by Skydog32103]


The McConnell strategy (I'm not calling it the GOP strategy because I cling to the hope that there are some serious people in that party) of shrugging off impeachment as a comedy & ignoring conventions & rules is wrong in that it sets the precedent should the parties be reversed at the next impeachment or worse, to embolden an entire population of followers to believe that the 3-pronged system of government w/checks & balances is an antiquated notion that can be mocked or ignored. I would've thought one member of the party would've figured that out.

As to your second question, DJT considers the FBI to be "corrupt" along w/intel & military agencies so in his mind, he had no one he could trust to investigate an American. Previously, he'd had Michael The Fixer Cohen & Roger Stone look under some rocks, but they had their own problems by 2018.

 

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  posted on 12/18/2019 at 02:27 PM
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Who cares? "Why?" is a pointless question when dealing with irrational, self-destructive behavior. The dems have been talking about this since before the inauguration. Just more craziness from the far left/progressive movement. Billastro

I believe this belongs in the other impeachment thread. That's where the blanket insults & nonsensical sentences are welcomed & appreciated.

Jerry, who has not indicated he's in favor of impeachment in the past, made succinct logical comments in this thread and posted a link to the actual HR report for clarification should anyone want to read both the report & the dissent. His posts furthered the discussion w/o any of the vitriol that lives on the other thread. You might consider his example.



 

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  posted on 12/18/2019 at 04:25 PM
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If impeachment is so great for Trump and will sink the Dems why then the Redhats ought to be happy about it. If you want someone to fall off a cliff and you see them walking toward the cliff why would you warn them away?
Who cares? "Why?" is a pointless question when dealing with irrational, self-destructive behavior. The dems have been talking about this since before the inauguration. Just more craziness from the far left/progressive movement.

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So, you are ok with trump inviting foreign interference into U.S. elections?.

 

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Secondly, can someone supporting Trump explain to me why he didn't ask the United States to investigate an American? I've been asking this multiple times, and for some odd reason.......


The only angle I think they would or could come up with is that the intelligence and criminal investigative groups and mechanisms in the US would protect Biden and wouldn't produce any findings to support the suspicion or the conspiracy of whatever it is that the Biden son was involved in and everything that went with that. I might be the least informed person on this specific subject, but I do believe I can offer the above explanation as something somebody who supported Trump could or would offer as to why they sought foreign assistance. We already know they do not trust US intel so why would they rely upon it now? For this?

Then in reality you have the whole thing about them just wanting the appearance that something was being investigated rather than an actual investigation - no US intelligence agency or investigative unit would go along with that.

 

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Ignoring what Trump may or may not have done regarding Ukraine, I am more concerned with the Obstruction of Justice. When Trump directs his staff to ignore congressional subpoenas, that sets a dangerous precedent that goes way beyond anything having to do with Ukraine. Our founding fathers carefully put in a system of checks and balances into our constitution. If a president can ignore a congressional investigation and get away with it, then our entire system of government will be changed forevermore. Someday there will be a corrupt Democratic president in the Whitehouse, and if Trump gets away with ignoring congressional subpoenas the precedent will be set for that to happen again. Remember when Hillary testified under oath during a congressional investigation? That will NEVER happen again if Trump is not held accountable for ignoring congressional subpoenas now. All I can say Trump supporters is be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. Think about this, Trump is cleared in the senate, and Biden wins next November. Do you think for a single second that the senate Republicans will be able to conduct an investigation into his possible wrongdoing in Ukraine? Nope, that barn door is closed, and you can thank their protection of Trump for it.
 

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  posted on 12/19/2019 at 05:41 AM
What I like about this is that partisan politics isn't being played out. Both sides are coming together in agreement to right a wrong. It's nice to see both sides working together for what is best for America.

Merry Christmas America! Peace and Love to all!

 

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  posted on 12/19/2019 at 07:11 AM
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Ignoring what Trump may or may not have done regarding Ukraine, I am more concerned with the Obstruction of Justice. When Trump directs his staff to ignore congressional subpoenas, that sets a dangerous precedent that goes way beyond anything having to do with Ukraine. Our founding fathers carefully put in a system of checks and balances into our constitution. If a president can ignore a congressional investigation and get away with it, then our entire system of government will be changed forevermore.


My concern all along. From Day 1, Trump has believed himself to be king, emperor, god or whatever term is used to mean absolute power. Even his closest realistic supporters didn't believe him capable of governing because he didn't have a clue about basic civics. He has spent the past 3 years breaking down what he considered unnecessary constraints on his brilliance to handle every issue as he saw fit through executive orders, firings, & tantrums. Not only did HE order staff (some of whom no longer work for him) but THEY complied!!! This disregard seems to be contagious & has certainly infected McConnell. At least a signal has been sent that democracy isn't dead yet.

 

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  posted on 12/19/2019 at 07:35 AM
For a man to whom branding is everything, the asterisk next to his name really chafes.

Nancy Pelosi continues to surprise me w/her strategic foresight. Since McConnell has proclaimed his partiality as a juror & co-ordination w/Trump to have a drive-by trial that ends in acquittal, Pelosi has made a move of her own in not rushing the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate. She's slowing things down & may even have leverage to force McConnell to have witnesses at the trial. There's nothing to prevent her from never sending them to the Senate so that DJT is NEVER acquitted.

To everyone McConnell is trying to convince that the trial is no big deal & ordinary Americans who are sick to death of politics, a proper Senate trial might make interesting - if not riveting - TV. If the facts are laid out, argued publicly, and people can see for themselves what's been charged minds may change. McConnell's refusal to call witnesses who were actually involved in events but refused to comply w/a subpoena at Trump's direction seems cowardly, pointless & reckless. He'll be at loggerheads w/Trump who WANTS a trial so he can clear his name (although never remove the asterisk).

Finally, Trump's reaction was 50% predictable - rally, lapse into the royal "we" so he doesn't have to say "I was impeached," and sing his own fictitious praises for 2 hours. What was surprising is his cruel assertion that the late Rep. Dingell from Michigan was "looking up at Trump from hell." The man was the longest serving Congressman (59 years) at the time of his death & Trump when on to crack that his wife (Rep. Debbie Dingell) is "a real beauty." I doubt he thinks even that was wrong.

 

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  posted on 12/19/2019 at 07:38 AM
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History in the making. Foregone conclusion on the Senate vote, but it is an important statement. The Liberty Bell can still chime.

I am sure there is secret dissent in the Senate, a few who know they are on rhe wrong side of history. If there is even one stray Senate GOP vote for impeachment, it will have the effect of a corn cob buried under a tree stump. You country boys know what I mean, you want a stump removed, just bury some corn cobs around it with a bit showing - the pigs will dig a crater rooting for more.

Impeachment most likely fails, but the Trump administration is going to uproot itself.





They need 67 Senate votes to remove him from office, something like 53 will vote Against impeachment.

Also ALL the Senators come up for re-election next November now that also plays into how they vote.

 

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They need 67 Senate votes to remove him from office, something like 53 will vote Against impeachment.

Also ALL the Senators come up for re-election next November now that also plays into how they vote.


Wow! Obviously, one-third of senators will be up for re-election next year. It is pretty hard to get a six year term in if they all face re-election every time. Also, I think it is projected to be a relatively tough round for Republicans, similar to how 2018 was for Democrats.



What I find most disturbing about the House Republicans was their reluctance to stick up for the Constitutional powers of their own institution. They were the ones who demanded (correctly) that Congress had every right to drag in the former Secretary of State for hours of testimony even if the real goal was only to damage her future political prospects (as Mark Meadows admitted). Now they are okay with current executive branch employees ignoring subpoenas.

It seems like a willful public self-emasculation by the former "Benghazi Boys".

 

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  posted on 12/19/2019 at 12:04 PM
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Nancy Pelosi continues to surprise me w/her strategic foresight. Since McConnell has proclaimed his partiality as a juror & co-ordination w/Trump to have a drive-by trial that ends in acquittal, Pelosi has made a move of her own in not rushing the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate. She's slowing things down & may even have leverage to force McConnell to have witnesses at the trial. There's nothing to prevent her from never sending them to the Senate so that DJT is NEVER acquitted.



I don't think Pelosi wants witnesses to testify under oath at the trial. If so, all hearsay testimony will not be heard, which means that 3 of her 4 witnesses at the hearings would not be allowed since those 3 stated they had no direct knowledge of the phone call, only that they heard from others what was said.

Go back over the report and skim through the dissenting views if you have time.

PS: The report is in searchable PDF if you want to get the Cliff Notes read.

 

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  posted on 12/19/2019 at 01:06 PM
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I don't think Pelosi wants witnesses to testify under oath at the trial. If so, all hearsay testimony will not be heard, which means that 3 of her 4 witnesses at the hearings would not be allowed since those 3 stated they had no direct knowledge of the phone call, only that they heard from others what was said.

Go back over the report and skim through the dissenting views if you have time.

PS: The report is in searchable PDF if you want to get the Cliff Notes read.


I don't know what she wants, but it would be interesting to have all witnesses Schumer has requested to testify - the point is to hear truthful testimony as a basis for us to make up our own minds. You raise an interesting point as to what would be considered hearsay in a Senate trial v. basic rules of Federal Procedure.

Thanks for the searchable tip; 700 pages is A LOT.

 

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I don't think Pelosi wants witnesses to testify under oath at the trial. If so, all hearsay testimony will not be heard, which means that 3 of her 4 witnesses at the hearings would not be allowed since those 3 stated they had no direct knowledge of the phone call, only that they heard from others what was said.

Go back over the report and skim through the dissenting views if you have time.

PS: The report is in searchable PDF if you want to get the Cliff Notes read.


I don't know what she wants, but it would be interesting to have all witnesses Schumer has requested to testify - the point is to hear truthful testimony as a basis for us to make up our own minds. You raise an interesting point as to what would be considered hearsay in a Senate trial v. basic rules of Federal Procedure.

Thanks for the searchable tip; 700 pages is A LOT.


Yeah, I've been using the search function a LOT.

A link to information about how the rules will be set up.
https://theconversation.com/impeachment-comes-to-the-senate-5-questions-ans wered-124632

The article brings up the possibility that the Senate could call up both Bidens to give testimony about their possible roles in what caused the impeachment proceedings to start.

I agree with you that the point is to hear truthful testimony, just as in any trial.

 

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  posted on 12/19/2019 at 05:11 PM
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For a man to whom branding is everything, the asterisk next to his name really chafes.

Nancy Pelosi continues to surprise me w/her strategic foresight. Since McConnell has proclaimed his partiality as a juror & co-ordination w/Trump to have a drive-by trial that ends in acquittal, Pelosi has made a move of her own in not rushing the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate. She's slowing things down & may even have leverage to force McConnell to have witnesses at the trial. There's nothing to prevent her from never sending them to the Senate so that DJT is NEVER acquitted.

To everyone McConnell is trying to convince that the trial is no big deal & ordinary Americans who are sick to death of politics, a proper Senate trial might make interesting - if not riveting - TV. If the facts are laid out, argued publicly, and people can see for themselves what's been charged minds may change. McConnell's refusal to call witnesses who were actually involved in events but refused to comply w/a subpoena at Trump's direction seems cowardly, pointless & reckless. He'll be at loggerheads w/Trump who WANTS a trial so he can clear his name (although never remove the asterisk).

Finally, Trump's reaction was 50% predictable - rally, lapse into the royal "we" so he doesn't have to say "I was impeached," and sing his own fictitious praises for 2 hours. What was surprising is his cruel assertion that the late Rep. Dingell from Michigan was "looking up at Trump from hell." The man was the longest serving Congressman (59 years) at the time of his death & Trump when on to crack that his wife (Rep. Debbie Dingell) is "a real beauty." I doubt he thinks even that was wrong.


Count me among those who wanted a new Democratic Leader of the House when the process for voting began. I now and have for some time now recognized why I was wrong in that wish.

The way Pelosi corralled the Freshman members of her caucus the past few weeks and her latest tactical move to slow things down and not rush sending The Articles Of Impeachment to the Senate is very shrewd. A lesser experienced and knowledgeable leader may never have been to able to pull any of this Impeachment process off.




 

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  posted on 12/19/2019 at 05:59 PM
Gotta love this fanal incontinence from Rep. Barry Loudermilk, R-Ga. :

“Before you take this historic vote today, one week before Christmas, I want you to keep this in mind: When Jesus was falsely accused of treason, Pontius Pilate gave Jesus the opportunity to face his accusers. During that sham trial, Pontius Pilate afforded more rights to Jesus than Democrats afforded this president in this process.”








 

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  posted on 12/19/2019 at 07:14 PM
Now here's a surprise - Vlad Putin backs Trump on Impeachment. What a shock. Wondering if maybe we'll see Vlad on the stage with Trump at future campaign rallies?

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2019-12-19/putin-on-trump -impeachment-your-members-of-congress-should-know-better

 

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  posted on 12/19/2019 at 11:25 PM
Why are you liberals running away from the original thread? You should own it, from inaguration day to the present its been the top priority for your party to Impeach Trump. So much so the party has not focused on much else. At least the USMCA deal was finally done so your party can defend itself from a total failure of leadership argument.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2019 at 02:09 AM
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Why are you liberals running away from the original thread? You should own it, from inaguration day to the present its been the top priority for your party to Impeach Trump. So much so the party has not focused on much else. At least the USMCA deal was finally done so your party can defend itself from a total failure of leadership argument.


Ok Comrade.

Your support of the lying treasonous "president" has been noted. You must be very proud of him.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2019 at 02:43 AM
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Why are you liberals running away from the original thread? You should own it, from inaguration day to the present its been the top priority for your party to Impeach Trump


Liberal isn't a party. You are sounding kind of vindictive today. Telling everyone what they should do. Mr. Bossypants!

 

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  posted on 12/20/2019 at 07:24 AM
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Why are you liberals

You're in the wrong thread. I started this one for a discussion of impeachment w/o the use of blanket taunts & ignorant rhetoric on other topics. Run back to the other one where you belong, troll. Your vocabulary is limited to 3 words - liberals, dems & liberal dems (guess that's only 2 words) & you wield them like the insults they aren't. Move along, troll.



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  posted on 12/20/2019 at 07:41 AM
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"During that sham trial, Pontius Pilate afforded more rights to Jesus than Democrats afforded this president in this process.”

And the leading evangelical magazine Christianity Today founded by the late Rev. Billy Graham called on Thursday for impeachment AND REMOVAL of Trump & urged evangelicals to withdraw their support.

"That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments. We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president's moral deficiencies for all to see."

"To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump's immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency."

The publication of the editorial caused the magazine's site to crash due to traffic in what's been described as a "watershed" moment.






 

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Why are you liberals running away from the original thread? You should own it, from inaguration day to the present its been the top priority for your party to Impeach Trump. So much so the party has not focused on much else. At least the USMCA deal was finally done so your party can defend itself from a total failure of leadership argument.


Ok Comrade.

Your support of the lying treasonous "president" has been noted. You must be very proud of him.

Notice how goob always points fingers at the libs or Dems while never responding to questions when confronted about Trump's actions. I'm curious if goob supports Trump's Helsinki moment when Trump sided with Putin over our intel agencies. There are countless other examples - several of which I've asked goob about but never received an answer.

 

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And the leading evangelical magazine Christianity Today founded by the late Rev. Billy Graham called on Thursday for impeachment AND REMOVAL of Trump & urged evangelicals to withdraw their support.

"That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments. We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president's moral deficiencies for all to see."

"To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump's immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency."

The publication of the editorial caused the magazine's site to crash due to traffic in what's been described as a "watershed" moment.


"Remember who you are and whom you serve." This is a huge lash back. Huge.



 

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  posted on 12/20/2019 at 03:07 PM
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"Remember who you are and whom you serve." This is a huge lash back. Huge.


That plus the MI pushback re the egregious comments he made about the late Rep. Dingell made it not a good day for DJT. And DJT REPEATED the comment elsewhere. Lindsey Graham is telling him it's not a joke; it's not funny.

 
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