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  posted on 1/28/2020 at 05:03 PM
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1) Doesn't answer my request you show where I have posted anything against the impeachment.


Do you believe Trump should be impeached?


Show where I have posted anything against impeachment.

Otherwise, quit wasting my time.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2020 at 07:12 PM
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Show where I have posted anything against impeachment.

Otherwise, quit wasting my time.


I was curious as to your opinion on it - no need to get defensive.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2020 at 08:02 PM
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Show where I have posted anything against impeachment.

Otherwise, quit wasting my time.


I was curious as to your opinion on it - no need to get defensive.


first, I don't know why you are responding to my post to 2112, are you two joined at the hip?

Also, the question to both is, Quote the post where I say anything against the impeachment. If that doesn't answer your question, nothing I could ever say will suffice.

So, for both of you, quote where I said anything against impeachment, or quit wasting everyone's time.

 

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Also, the question to both is, Quote the post where I say anything against the impeachment. If that doesn't answer your question, nothing I could ever say will suffice.


glad to hear it. Iím genuinely curious, what made you want him gone?

 

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  posted on 1/29/2020 at 01:20 AM
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Also, the question to both is, Quote the post where I say anything against the impeachment. If that doesn't answer your question, nothing I could ever say will suffice.


glad to hear it. Iím genuinely curious, what made you want him gone?


When you quote any post I made saying anything against the impeachment, I'll answer your question.
Until then quit wasting peoples' time.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2020 at 07:49 AM
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Do you believe Trump should be impeached?


Trump WAS impeached on December 18, 2019. We're now in Day 8 of the trial - Written Q from the up-to-now-silent senators asked by CJ Roberts & answered by the legal teams. 16 hours have been allowed for this so it may last 2 days. Top of the list of questions seems to be whether any side knew about Bolton's book - seems to be a bit off track as to the facts of the Ukraine quid pro quo & cover-up. Bolton's book certainly is getting a lot of free PR - wonder if the publishing house planned that...

 

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  posted on 1/29/2020 at 09:13 AM
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When you quote any post I made saying anything against the impeachment, I'll answer your question.
Until then quit wasting peoples' time.


Lol, ok little boy. Iíll go discuss things with grown men who donít get so emotional. Peace!

 

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  posted on 1/29/2020 at 02:05 PM
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You are so funny.
1) I'd love to see the Bidens testify under oath. The entire impeachment is about a phone call concerning them, or am I mistaken in who the phone call was about.
2) Please quote the post where I have said anything against the impeachment. We all knew it was coming since some Dems have called for impeachment BEFORE Trump took office. Some even ran their campaigns on how much they wanted to impeach the Prez. We all knew that the Dems would find something, somewhere to force the impeachment. God knows they have tried several times.


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I honestly don't care if the Bidens testify under oath or not. It's not really relevant though to whether Trump bribed a foreign government for his political gain. After all, he didn't ask Ukraine to conduct an actual investigation, he only asked them to announce that they were conducting an investigation.

Let me ask you this. If Hillary were to have offered a Russian bank financial aid in exchange for Trumps Tax returns under the guise of a corruption investigation, would you be ok with it? If not, how is it really different?



I'm not following along too closely but am listening to some today. If I heard it right, the defense believes that having a foreign government investigate something that had not been previously investigated does serve a public interest.

For the record, I think the assertions by the Democrats are stronger than the defense by the Republicans.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2020 at 02:43 PM
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I'm not following along too closely but am listening to some today. If I heard it right, the defense believes that having a foreign government investigate something that had not been previously investigated does serve a public interest.

For the record, I think the assertions by the Democrats are stronger than the defense by the Republicans.


All the answers are provided by the lawyers. Prosecutors (in this case, the HR case managers) are charged w/finding the truth. Defense attorneys are only tasked w/getting their client off. So, don't expect accurate information from the defense; they're saying whatever makes Trump look best.

Foreign governments can & do investigate US citizens all the time just as we keep an eye on other countries' citizens - thru the CIA & other intelligence/military/tax agencies. Allies share information through the appropriate organizations.

What CAN'T be done is for a president to bypass the CIA, military & other US agencies to ask another country to investigate or pretend to investigate a US citizen for POTUS's personal advantage & if it refuses, withhold taxpayer funds appropriated by Congress for war aid to that country & deny that country's president a WH meeting that had previously been approved.

No public interest is being served by Trump asking the Ukraine prez to pretend to investigate a US citizen when Trump knew his allegations against Biden's son had already been disproven.

I agree w/you. The HR case is airtight. They proved Trump committed the offenses & attempted to cover it up. Trump's lawyers have nothing to say except we don't believe in impeachment, there are too many impeachments, and Trump committed the offenses but he shouldn't have been impeached.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2020 at 07:17 PM
I question the mental status of Dershowitz at this point. Obfuscation is often a successful defense technique, but he has wandered off into quoting Lincoln's permission for soldiers to vote during the Civil War. He doesn't seem to know what that we are in the 21st century and that the trial is that of Trump's Impeachment. His comment that he's the only law prof in 150 years who actually understands the impeachment clause that the prez can do anything he wants w/o restraint is astounding. He needs to sit down & shut up.

[Edited on 1/30/2020 by cyclone88]

 

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  posted on 1/30/2020 at 04:35 PM
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Let me ask you this. If Hillary were to have offered a Russian bank financial aid in exchange for Trumps Tax returns under the guise of a corruption investigation, would you be ok with it? If not, how is it really different?


1) Doesn't answer my request you show where I have posted anything against the impeachment.
2) Nice try to deflect a request with a question that has no relevance to the thread.


I thought I remembered you posting that you were against impeachment. I don't have time to search for it, so based on your response here I guess I was wrong, and I apologize if I lumped you in with the others incorrectly.

That said, we still have posters here that would never be against Trump regardless of what he did. Those same posters would be all over a Democrat for doing the exact same thing. I find that not only sad, but also scary.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2020 at 05:32 PM
I am not saying he is innocent, but this woman from the 1990's NOW turns up demanding his DNA for an alleged rape that happened in a dressing room at Bergdorf Goodman's (a high end retail store). She alleges she has DNA on the sleeve of a dress, which she has saved all these years.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/e-jean-carroll-accused-donald-203000457.htm l

Is this like a Monica Lewinsky type effort to get him impeached? But the event happened before he was President so it cannot have any bearing on his impeachment case. The timing is just very strange. The story itself is very strange.


https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hi deous-men.html




[Edited on 1/30/2020 by gina]

 

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  posted on 1/30/2020 at 05:50 PM
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Is this like a Monica Lewinsky type effort to get him impeached? But the event happened before he was President so it cannot have any bearing on his impeachment case. The timing is just very strange. The story itself is very strange. [Edited on 1/30/2020 by gina]


This is an old story. E. Jean Caroll, the alleged victim, wrote for SNL and now writes for Elle magazine. She raised the issue as part of the #metoo movement in 2019 & when Trump tweeted he'd never heard of her & had, of course, unpleasant things to say about her, she filed a defamation suit in November. In the course of that trial, there would be a demand for DNA evidence because she kept the dress & a DNA comparison could be evidence that Trump, indeed, knew her. This has nothing to do w/impeachment. It's merely a case working thru the system.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2020 at 08:00 PM
The account of the event seems strange and untimely. We'll see what happens.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2020 at 08:05 PM
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The account of the event seems strange and untimely. We'll see what happens.


This is off topic, Gina but seems right up his alley. Remember, all the women who claim he groped them. They are all liars, but we know that Trump, being the honest, ethical, and moral guy that he is would be the only one speaking the truth.

 

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She may be speaking the truth but it seems a little out there that she is going through the store with him when she does not know him and willingly helps him find the lingerie department on another floor and puts up with him wanting her to try on a bodysuit. Then she does not even know if he climaxed, if he did some of it would have come out. That would be noticable. Then she keeps the dress all these years. Why would you want that in your home as a memory? As an act of self empowerment I would think someone would get it away from themselves by throwing it out. Designer clothing or not.

Her book will probably sell.

If Bolton gets his book published that will sell also.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2020 at 08:23 PM
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The account of the event seems strange and untimely.

The allegations are certainly old, but she told 2 people immediately after it allegedly happened. She didn't raise the issue until the time when women in all kinds of fields - entertainment, TV news, publishing - told their #metoo stories & those men, like Matt Lauer & Charlie Rose, were fired & like Weinstein, are currently being tried.

No sexual assault charges were brought against Trump. It was his tweets that said he didn't know her & made derogatory comments about her that led to her defamation case filed in November in Manhattan. That is about the pace ANY case would take going thru the system to request DNA for comparison w/the dress she was wearing & kept. The only reason it's getting any press at all is because she's well-known in NYC, a published author (4+ books) & has had a monthly column in a "woman's magazine" for more than 10 years. It's more of a #metoo story than anything about impeachment.



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  posted on 1/30/2020 at 08:26 PM
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She may be speaking the truth but it seems a little out there that she is going through the store with him when she does not know him and willingly helps him find the lingerie department on another floor and puts up with him wanting her to try on a bodysuit. Then she does not even know if he climaxed, if he did some of it would have come out. That would be noticable. Then she keeps the dress all these years. Why would you want that in your home as a memory? As an act of self empowerment I would think someone would get it away from themselves by throwing it out. Designer clothing or not.

Her book will probably sell.

If Bolton gets his book published that will sell also.



It looks like prezy iis doing what he can to stop or delay Bolton's book under the guise of national security exposure. Ironic isn't it. Trump is a walking talking national security risk. Look at the examples of national security he has exposed as well as info from Israel.

 

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It looks like prezy iis doing what he can to stop or delay Bolton's book under the guise of national security exposure. Ironic isn't it. Trump is a walking talking national security risk. Look at the examples of national security he has exposed as well as info from Israel.


But, wait, Trump WANTS Bolton to testify and talk to the American people.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2020 at 09:56 PM
Cyclone has tried very hard to keep this on topic. Gina, the Jean Carroll accusation is old. It's back in the news with the potential dna test, but it isn't really related if anything should be somewhere else.

Who wants to block Bolton's book? Trump? That could be as much to spite Bolton and ruin his capitalization and day in the sun as much as really trying to hide anything. After all, don't we essentially know what it says on the only topic people would want to buy it for? Trump is very vindictive, if he can keep Bolton's book from being published that alone surely would be a win in the mind of Trump even absent immpeachmrnt/Ukraine.

Ok, Friyay will have votes for witnesses?

 

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Trump is very vindictive, if he can keep Bolton's book from being published that alone surely would be a win in the mind of Trump even absent immpeachmrnt/Ukraine.

Ok, Friyay will have votes for witnesses?


You're right. In typical fashion, Trump is being vindictive about anyone who crosses him so he's using the theory that the book is "classified" & can't be published as is. A letter was sent to Bolton's publisher threatening litigation. Apparently, Bolton has political aspirations & Trump is likely to do anything to quash his chances.

His comment about Schiff being "unable to sleep at night, sweating like a dog, what a sick guy he is" because Trump is getting away w/his actions while the trial is ongoing is abhorrent. DJT has lost the final ounce of self-restraint he had.

Tomorrow's schedule is 4 hours of debate, a vote for/against witnesses, & vote re acquittal.


 

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I canít believe that this is the point where the Republicans are going to abandon the separation of powers laid out in the Constitution and throw their entire partyís lot in with a total charlatan, but it is apparently going to happen. Remember when people were saying, ďTrump would be surrounded by responsible people, how much damage can he really do?Ē? We are witnessing an all-time low in the politics of cynicism. The GOP knows that demographics have made their policies unsustainable, and have decided to burn the place down on their way out.
 

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Trump is very vindictive, if he can keep Bolton's book from being published that alone surely would be a win in the mind of Trump even absent immpeachmrnt/Ukraine.

Ok, Friyay will have votes for witnesses?


You're right. In typical fashion, Trump is being vindictive about anyone who crosses him so he's using the theory that the book is "classified" & can't be published as is. A letter was sent to Bolton's publisher threatening litigation. Apparently, Bolton has political aspirations & Trump is likely to do anything to quash his chances.

His comment about Schiff being "unable to sleep at night, sweating like a dog, what a sick guy he is" because Trump is getting away w/his actions while the trial is ongoing is abhorrent. DJT has lost the final ounce of self-restraint he had.

Tomorrow's schedule is 4 hours of debate, a vote for/against witnesses, & vote re acquittal.



The fix was in before the Senate took up this matter. Mitch made sure of this. Final score: Sheep 50 or more and American public + the Constitution 0.

 

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The fix was in before the Senate took up this matter. Mitch made sure of this. Final score: Sheep 50 or more and American public + the Constitution 0.


The score is more like Sheep 50+ & Americans/Constitution a -100.

I expected Trump to be acquitted. I watched because I think it's important for us to see such rare occurrences in our history (although there've been 3 in my lifetime counting Nixon) and I fully expected a Motion to Dismiss to be made & granted after the House Managers stated their case. A sham trial.

What has made things far worse is the winning defense theory that the prez can do anything he wants if it believes it to be in the public interest - ignore congress, ignore the constitution, invite foreign governments to investigate US citizens, ask foreign governments to "fix" out elections, call executive privilege on anything, use executive powers to do anything (remember his 1st weekend in office & worldwide travel was shut down because of his ban on Muslims entering the US - citizens or not), pardon himself, and whatever else he wants. The Senate GOP just committed suicide.

Trump's lawyers didn't defend him. They created districtations like "call the Bidens as witnesses" knowing that neither Biden would've known what Trump said to his WH staff & advisers so their testimony would've been a waste of time. They used scare tactics like votes cast in 2016 will be overturned knowing perfectly well that Trump was elected, sworn into office, & remains president; Hillary Clinton isn't waiting in the wings to take over. They couldn't defend on the merits so they created tangents & brush fires.

What even THEY didn't seem to expect was the insanity of Alan Dershowitz proclaiming that a prez who believes his remaining in office is in the public interest can do ANYTHING HE WANTS based on no reasoning whatsoever. Dershowitz made it up. Even Trump's lawyers have distanced themselves from him. The author of the single law journal article that analyzed Johnson's 1868 impeachment proclaimed Dershowitz's mistaken reading of that article. He wasn't even allowed to show up & sit w/the president's counsel on Thursday. They know he's gone off the rails & taken the senate GOP w/him.

Before the impeachment & trial, I thought Trump's acquittal would be nothing more than partisan politics & 4 more years of Trump. Now, I think it's absolutely emboldened Trump, eliminated any power of Congress to oversee much less stop his worst impulses, and we have an autocrat in office. The courts remain the only resort for any rational check on the Exec.

So what there's an election in November? It will not be fair or untainted or represent the will of the people. Why bother to walk around the corner to vote?






 

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I canít believe that this is the point where the Republicans are going to abandon the separation of powers laid out in the Constitution and throw their entire partyís lot in with a total charlatan, but it is apparently going to happen. Remember when people were saying, ďTrump would be surrounded by responsible people, how much damage can he really do?Ē? We are witnessing an all-time low in the politics of cynicism. The GOP knows that demographics have made their policies unsustainable, and have decided to burn the place down on their way out.


100%. And the other safeguard "There will always be an adult in the room to mind him."

It's been suggested that the GOP actually fear for their lives & there's no other reason that would cause ALL of them to vote in solidarity, especially Alexander who isn't even running for re-election.

 
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