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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 11:03 PM
Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind. And when Derek and Warren add some licks that are dead Dickey or Duane licks, licks Derek and Warren didn't play when they were playing next to Dickey, they are not only thinking about Dickey, they want you to think about Dickey too. When you hear the Allman Brothers without Dickey play Blue Sky or Jessica, don't you think about Dickey?

I've been listening to Mountain Jam for 50 years and during the melody I think about Donavon. Maybe just a fleeting second I think about Donavon singing the melody I'm hearing. I heard Warren tease Norwegian Wood a few times. Believe the last was a Mule Show, and I thought about the Beatles and I bet Warren did too. How could he possibly tease that song and somewhere in his mind he is thinking... Beatles?

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 11:05 PM
Man, when did this site get so .....whatever the hell yall are talking about...
I hope those of you going to this concert of great musicians on March 10th in NYC are as excited as I am. Being it's midtown and not up near 74th, we're still hoping to catch up with some of the good folks from all the years of the past. And to curveball this wacky thread, I curiously wait to hear where everyone ends up on the night before (the 9th) and after the show
We're flying in from Nashville on the 9th it looks like, see yall then.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 11:21 PM
We are talking Allman Brothers and kind of deep cuts.

Some here apparently are only exposed to just the last 5 to 10 years of the ABB and one album, Hitting The Note. I go back to January 1970 and the first album I bought was Idlewild South. Then Fillmore East, then the first album, then Eat A Peach and on and on. Bought them all.

Maybe some here are actually more Derek and Warren playing together fans than Allman Brothers fans and the band before 2002 is like a different band to you and it's just a coincidence the name is the same.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 12:01 AM
All POVs are clearly known by now, why not pivot things toward music
GREAT Southbound alright - it, Jessica, HFalls never did overly hit me live after this era, Chuckís piano was such a big part of it

I wonít be there so take it w/a grain of salt
.....but hopefully theyíll touch on each era - a quick COIMyKitchen>Old Friend acoustic set for instance - mayb Warren could improv his Nobody Knows solo into a jam along the way, itís my favorite ABB studio song ever - I thought Oteil sang 7 Turns really well, maybe he could Just Ainít Easy as an ode to that era - a fine mention of Mr. Allen Woody would be so good.....of course the possibilities are endless

You know there will be an appreciable nod along the way to the O-6 - heck the band always had their images up there in the background during NOLTRunWith at the Beacon

Itís all about the love for The Allman Brothers Band

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 12:10 AM
.....and the bottom line is that Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes love the Allman Brothers music so much that they learned it to a depth that no one on this website ever did. They got recognized by Gregg Allman and Dickey Betts and Butch Trucks and Jaimoe as guitarists who should be in the Allman Brothers.

Thus, they are the right guys to lead a tribute to the Allman Brothers. Obviously.

The clear fact that they know that they are not THE Allman Brothers is broadcasted by the clear fact that they are not billing themselves as The Allman Brothers. People who can read English can see this.

We are left with the fact that an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers is being led by the exact right people who should lead an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 06:06 AM
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.....and the bottom line is that Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes love the Allman Brothers music so much that they learned it to a depth that no one on this website ever did. They got recognized by Gregg Allman and Dickey Betts and Butch Trucks and Jaimoe as guitarists who should be in the Allman Brothers.

Thus, they are the right guys to lead a tribute to the Allman Brothers. Obviously.

The clear fact that they know that they are not THE Allman Brothers is broadcasted by the clear fact that they are not billing themselves as The Allman Brothers. People who can read English can see this.

We are left with the fact that an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers is being led by the exact right people who should lead an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers.



Well stated Jim. As someone else mentioned The Dead did pretty much the same thing name-wise after Jerry's passing, no?

If I can afford it I will go. And regarding the prices, I don't think they are all that bad. We have to consider that this is in New York and there are a lot of musicians that have to get paid, right? And I would assume their travel and accommodations need to be covered as well. That can't be cheap.

The thing about the prices that does get me though are the fees. I looked up a few tickets and one of them had fees of almost $60! For an Eticket. My God I live in Chicago and could see two or three shows for the "convenience" charges alone.

Oh well. Still might try to swing it.

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 06:20 AM
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.....and the bottom line is that Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes love the Allman Brothers music so much that they learned it to a depth that no one on this website ever did. They got recognized by Gregg Allman and Dickey Betts and Butch Trucks and Jaimoe as guitarists who should be in the Allman Brothers.

Thus, they are the right guys to lead a tribute to the Allman Brothers. Obviously.

The clear fact that they know that they are not THE Allman Brothers is broadcasted by the clear fact that they are not billing themselves as The Allman Brothers. People who can read English can see this.

We are left with the fact that an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers is being led by the exact right people who should lead an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers.



Well stated Jim. As someone else mentioned The Dead did pretty much the same thing name-wise after Jerry's passing, no?

If I can afford it I will go. And regarding the prices, I don't think they are all that bad. We have to consider that this is in New York and there are a lot of musicians that have to get paid, right? And I would assume their travel and accommodations need to be covered as well. That can't be cheap.

The thing about the prices that does get me though are the fees. I looked up a few tickets and one of them had fees of almost $60! For an Eticket. My God I live in Chicago and could see two or three shows for the "convenience" charges alone.

Oh well. Still might try to swing it.

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Lee]


Hopefully you can make it Lee. There are cheap flight prices to NYC from Chicago. If fact, I am sitting at LaGuardia right now waiting for my flight to Chicago to catch Buddy Guy and Kingfish at Buddy Guyís Legends the next couple of nights.

Regarding this debate about who is an Allman Brother and who is not, it is much ado about nothing. I think the original band was probably the best version but I was a little too young to have seen them. My first show was 1979 at the Capitol, which I just viewed on YouTube the other day when I was at the gym. Pretty much saw every tour when they performed in NYC since then.

Warren and Derek were key members to me as was Chuck Levall. I am excited about the tribute and will attempt to upgrade my seat as the show approaches, So Lee if you make it and are looking for a cheap ticket, drop me a line.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 08:04 AM
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Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind. And when Derek and Warren add some licks that are dead Dickey or Duane licks, licks Derek and Warren didn't play when they were playing next to Dickey, they are not only thinking about Dickey, they want you to think about Dickey too. When you hear the Allman Brothers without Dickey play Blue Sky or Jessica, don't you think about Dickey?


No, not really. When I saw them 50 times between '99 and '14, I would zero in on Derek's unique sound and playing style (playing solos like that without a pick has always blew my mind), and Warren's unique sound, and I'd follow their new licks over the years. I very rarely thought of Duane and Dickey, no matter the tune, so we all experience it differently is my point. If you mean that YOU think about those artists when you hear the recent lineup, that's cool by me brother. I would describe it as Warren and Derek offering their interpretation of Duane and Dickey's work. I always thought they avoided trying to sound like Duane and Dickey as much as possible, which I respected.


 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 09:04 AM
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Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind.

I've played a lot of this music in bands over the years, and if you're thinking at all, you're not going to play well. The greats clear their minds and let the music flow.

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 09:39 AM
What is really krazy is that brother Dickey has said the Haynes /Woody lineup was the best since the "Fillmore" days, and that Derek plays his best slide when he plays slide like Duane. Go figure.

But that's just that guys opinion....

Hope everyone who attends the show has a blast.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 09:40 AM
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Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind.

I've played a lot of this music in bands over the years, and if you're thinking at all, you're not going to play well. The greats clear their minds and let the music flow.

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by porkchopbob]


I have no clue what anyone is thinking when they play guitar.
To base what I believe are their thoughts based on my thoughts is absurd.
Just because I think a certain way doesnít guarantee that someone else is thinking the same way.
I tend to just focus on what Iím doing when I play and when I get into it and itís working(rarely) I just let it flow-Iím too absorbed to be thinking anything.
To suggest that Warren and Derek are thinking of....anything that we can guess...is nuts. Blackey,you seem nice enough but,How the heck do you know what they are thinking? Mind meld? Do you read minds?
Nutty.
Just stop this craziness and enjoy the music.
And no,I am not new to the Allmans-got on the bus in Ď71-but nonetheless Iím grateful to Warren and Derek and all theyíve done to keep the music alive.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 10:11 AM
The MSG presale seems to be moving right along, FYI

 

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Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind.

I've played a lot of this music in bands over the years, and if you're thinking at all, you're not going to play well. The greats clear their minds and let the music flow.

I used to think this, too, but there are so many interviews where these musicians - and pretty much every musician ever - has explained this. I might think about Duane or Butch or Derek when I'm listening to these songs, but that's not how it works when you're playing them onstage. When you're onstage, you're listening to the people you're playing with and that's pretty much it. That's the only thing that works.

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Some here apparently are only exposed to just the last 5 to 10 years of the ABB and one album, Hitting The Note.

I doubt that's true of one single person here. If you're an Allman Brothers fan and you're on this site - especially now, with the band over for years - chances are 99.99% or more that you've heard things from all eras of the band, especially the Duane era. That's almost everyone's favorite. Everyone agrees you're a big fan and you're welcome to your own opinions, but this is getting sillier by the minute.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 10:26 AM
I just want to say how disappointed I am with the band for not offering fan presales and not allocating any floor seats to the presales they do have (with the exception of the front row and platinum packages). I only want 1 seat damnit.
 

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The MSG presale seems to be moving right along, FYI


Surprised and disappointed how little / few tickets were made available today for this round of pre sales. Starting to think my over priced purchases of Tuesday were a good thing ......

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 11:16 AM
Whoops, I posted my first reply in the wrong thread(it has been awhile since I have been here) Any way I will be there and will have a GREAT time as I have had every time I have seen the ABB in every incarnation since 1971. The original lineup was so special because they were a fusion band of jazz, blues, country, swing et all with rock instruments. The first time I saw them was before LATFE had come out. There was a Confederate flag hung in front of the B3 and then this muscular man with a huge Afro came out and sat on the drum kit behind it. I was only 17 but I thought to myself " this is going to be different" and OMG they brought the house down.
So just be thankful that we can hear it live one more time. And if you see the old guy with his 2001 twin towers shirt on say hello.

 

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Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind.

I've played a lot of this music in bands over the years, and if you're thinking at all, you're not going to play well. The greats clear their minds and let the music flow.

I used to think this, too, but there are so many interviews where these musicians - and pretty much every musician ever - has explained this. I might think about Duane or Butch or Derek when I'm listening to these songs, but that's not how it works when you're playing them onstage. When you're onstage, you're listening to the people you're playing with and that's pretty much it. That's the only thing that works.

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Some here apparently are only exposed to just the last 5 to 10 years of the ABB and one album, Hitting The Note.

I doubt that's true of one single person here. If you're an Allman Brothers fan and you're on this site - especially now, with the band over for years - chances are 99.99% or more that you've heard things from all eras of the band, especially the Duane era. That's almost everyone's favorite. Everyone agrees you're a big fan and you're welcome to your own opinions, but this is getting sillier by the minute.



Both my 2 oldest brothers saw Duane era multiple times. Neither of them feel the way that poster does and my oldest brother absolutely loves the Warren Derek lineup as much as any era. This fantasy about one guy thinking he speaks for everyone who saw the originals is just that, a fantasy.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 11:58 AM
When the 1989 to 1997 lineup played Soulshine I just know Gregg and Dickey were aware they were playing a Warren Haynes song. Warren was in the back of their mind.

But I get what many are saying. We should be happy the band is playing one more show.

I imagine the guys will try hard to bring their A games to this.

But we also need to remember this is not really the Allman Brothers Band. They are not even calling it The Allman Brothers. Probably because Duane and now Gregg too is gone. Just as The Dead didn't want to use the official name of their band after Jerry died.

It's going to be very noticeable not hearing Gregg sing the songs he always sung. If I were them I would go heavy on instrumental songs. Open with a 30 minute Mountain Jam then sequel into Statesboro and let Warren sing that then Blue Sky with Warren or Chuck singing and move to a long Elizabeth Reed. By then we would be way over an hour in, maybe two, and the guys on the stage will have all of us in the zone because they can PLAY this music we love REAL GOOD. The singing may be what is distracting from the vibe. When Warren sings Same Thing and Hoochie Coochie it WILL sound right and probably Soulshine. Chuck can sing Ramblin Man. Otiel sings Seven Turns and Marc sings Gregg's lead on that and maybe Duane Trucks sings Dimples then we have a 3 hour show and everyone is way happy and twirling and what they do to get to the 4 hour mark will be icing on the cake.

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But we also need to remember this is not really the Allman Brothers Band. They are not even calling it The Allman Brothers. Probably because Duane and now Gregg too is gone. Just as The Dead didn't want to use the official name of their band after Jerry died.

It's going to be very noticeable not hearing Gregg sing the songs he always sung. If I were them I would go heavy on instrumental songs. Open with a 30 minute Mountain Jam then sequel into Statesboro and let Warren sing that then Blue Sky with Warren or Chuck singing and move to a long Elizabeth Reed. By then we would be way over an hour in, maybe two, and the guys on the stage will have all of us in the zone because they can PLAY this music we love REAL GOOD. The singing may be what is distracting from the vibe. When Warren sings Same Thing and Hoochie Coochie it WILL sound right and probably Soulshine. Chuck can sing Ramblin Man. Otiel sings Seven Turns and Marc sings Gregg's lead on that and maybe Duane Trucks sings Dinoles then we have a 3 hour show and everyone is way happy and twirling and what they di to get to the 4 hour mark will be icing on the cake.

No one is mistaking this for the Allman Brothers Band. I appreciate your passion for the band, but you're not a member of the band, stop thinking you know better than the guys on stage (or anyone else here). These guys have this show covered, I'm sure.

 

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You never know. Warren may notice our suggestions and think some are good ideas and others are "I'm glad that guy isn't running this show."

Warren said there are so many songs that should be played and we can't play them all. And he said they are still trying to figure out who sings what.

Open with Whipping Post and just play like hell for 30 or 40 minutes then the rest is a piece of cake no matter who sings what.

 

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All POVs are clearly known by now, why not pivot things toward music
GREAT Southbound alright - it, Jessica, HFalls never did overly hit me live after this era, Chuckís piano was such a big part of it

I wonít be there so take it w/a grain of salt
.....but hopefully theyíll touch on each era - a quick COIMyKitchen>Old Friend acoustic set for instance - mayb Warren could improv his Nobody Knows solo into a jam along the way, itís my favorite ABB studio song ever - I thought Oteil sang 7 Turns really well, maybe he could Just Ainít Easy as an ode to that era - a fine mention of Mr. Allen Woody would be so good.....of course the possibilities are endless

You know there will be an appreciable nod along the way to the O-6 - heck the band always had their images up there in the background during NOLTRunWith at the Beacon

Itís all about the love for The Allman Brothers Band

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Stephen]



Good post. I have been thinking how all of this will play out with setlist and etc. It will be interesting to see and fun to speculate what will happen. So many scenarios. I would expect to see a long show 1st and 2nd set , 3 plus hours. It looks like Warren will be handling most of the vocal duties given that there will be really no special guest besides Chuck. By the way I hope he gets featured a lot. Would love to hear him tear it up.


Nobody Knows is such a powerhouse of a song. It would be cool if they did something with that. I am sure they will touch on all eras of the band and some of the popular covers they would do maybe? Not sure of the Arista years though. I like the fact, from what it appears, that they are going to keep it to the core lineup announced. But for some reason it would not surprise me if someone special drops in who has a strong connection to the band. I just see it more as a vocalist. No doubt Warren can handle it though.

Could this spark something else? A future "The Brothers" tour or one off gigs at festivals and such?
The Haynes Trucks band? Either way the music will live on for sure with the different family bands.

Speaking of family bands. Don't mean to take a left turn here,
but I hope to see the Allman Betts Band take off. I really think there is some potential there, given some time and seasoning, that could be a strong unit. I like their original material and they blend it with some covers and the ABB stuff makes for a strong set. Johnny Stachela is a killer player.
Duane is really blossoming as an artist I feel with his playing and song writing. Nothing wrong with having another Betts around! I will take that anyday.


Speaking of Nobody Knows
Allman Brothers Band - Nobody Knows Live @ Springfield, MA 3/2/92!
https://youtu.be/ID6lIKJe9Lw?list=PLGEFHFOnMrmazyQGG-IDbOu3cUOBmcVeT
I always enjoyed hearing a young Warren Haynes blazing away and feeling his way through this material and band. A lot of fire for sure. Not that he is lacking anything now by any means, but when someone is young, new, raw so to speak, fire stoked high, there seems to be a little more of an intense urgency to their playing. The clip above , he is killing it.

Another couple of examples of Warren.
Dreams-Play All Night
https://youtu.be/0_b6IkbZSsc?list=PL7NOKIKHL9RArzragv2HajWnGtJyyIu9P
When I first heard that when it came out, not that I was surprised, but his solo and playing KILLED it on that one. Amazing Stuff.


Blue Sky-Evening With
https://youtu.be/nVhgf1GgBCg
That version of Blue Sky is great! I know others have mixed feelings about it, but I dig it. That has probably one of my favorite Warren solos and slide playing. He kicks it in with the slide at 3:35 till 5:03 and just soars. Mostly when he really starts to dig it at 4:14 and he hits these licks at the 4:55-4:59 mark...it gives me chills every time. Move over folks ,Warren has got this one!
I like Dickeys rhythm playing behind Warrens lead work on Blue Sky from Evening With also. Just drives.

 

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But we also need to remember this is not really the Allman Brothers Band. They are not even calling it The Allman Brothers. Probably because Duane and now Gregg too is gone. Just as The Dead didn't want to use the official name of their band after Jerry died.

It's going to be very noticeable not hearing Gregg sing the songs he always sung. If I were them I would go heavy on instrumental songs. Open with a 30 minute Mountain Jam then sequel into Statesboro and let Warren sing that then Blue Sky with Warren or Chuck singing and move to a long Elizabeth Reed. By then we would be way over an hour in, maybe two, and the guys on the stage will have all of us in the zone because they can PLAY this music we love REAL GOOD. The singing may be what is distracting from the vibe. When Warren sings Same Thing and Hoochie Coochie it WILL sound right and probably Soulshine. Chuck can sing Ramblin Man. Otiel sings Seven Turns and Marc sings Gregg's lead on that and maybe Duane Trucks sings Dinoles then we have a 3 hour show and everyone is way happy and twirling and what they di to get to the 4 hour mark will be icing on the cake.

No one is mistaking this for the Allman Brothers Band. I appreciate your passion for the band, but you're not a member of the band, stop thinking you know better than the guys on stage (or anyone else here). These guys have this show covered, I'm sure.


. And none of us really know what weíre talking about...conjectures,opinions,points of view...all with great passion!



What ?!?! I always know what I am talking about!!!
NOT!!!!

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Could this spark something else? A future "The Brothers" tour or one off gigs at festivals and such?
The Haynes Trucks band? Either way the music will live on for sure with the different family bands.

Speaking of family bands. Don't mean to take a left turn here,
but I hope to see the Allman Betts Band take off. I really think there is some potential there, given some time and seasoning, that could be a strong unit. I like their original material and they blend it with some covers and the ABB stuff makes for a strong set. Johnny Stachela is a killer player.
Duane is really blossoming as an artist I feel with his playing and song writing. Nothing wrong with having another Betts around! I will take that anyday.


I doubt this will turn into a similar road that the Dead took with Dead and Company. I just don't think there is anywhere near the same thirst, demand or following of the Allman Brothers. Haynes and Trucks can collaborate at anytime if they wanted to, can't see that happening other than sit ins etc. which has happened.

The Allman Betts Band will be interesting to see how/if they develop from here. They seem to bet getting better and better, and have a strong musical unit. As mentioned, Johnny Stachela can play, as can John Ginty on the keyboards/organ. I don't know much about their drumming, but Duane Betts seems to be finding a solid, confident groove. I can't tell about Devon other than he carries spirit and passion to the legacy and to his playing--- There seems to be a natural curiosity to these guys and understandably so. They are touring a lot so we'll see what kind of following they can build;

By the way this "Brothers" event is all good. We know we will get top musicianship from artists who have paid their dues and reverence to the band we all dig

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 12:51 PM
X2 jszfunk (thanks too - keen to check out those clips ), they opened w/Hot Lanta Aug 2004 Meadowbrook, kicking off a slamming show - blackey, the night after this show, they opened w/Mtn Jam, the one you mentioned, at Tweeter Ctr Mass. - then closed it w/the last part of Mtn Jam by way of Afro Blue - itís my favorite IL, & was also glad to find a good audience recording of the Meadowbrook show, which I attended

March 10 will be a special night, ups to the guys for honoring the ABB

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 1/9/2020 at 01:32 PM
This comment is in no way a wrap on Gregg. but i recall a few Wanees back when gregg got hurt and didnt play that night, and it was still an Allman brothers night... As they say in football you take waht the defense gives you!!!!! ITS A NIGHT OF GOOD VIBES AND GREAT MUSIC.. ... drop the mic........

 

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