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  posted on 1/7/2020 at 08:40 PM
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What is wrong with me?

I'm not a doctor, but somebody's doing a very nice thing for you and you're slagging on the band...


I don't think Blackey is" slagging" on the band, at least I am not perceiving his post that way. He is very
passionate about the original lineup and he has the right to his opinion. I read nothing disparaging in it.

Describing the players as "pretending" to be other musicians is pretty insulting, especially when you're talking about guys who filled these roles in this band for 10 or 20 years and who have always been very vocal about their love and respect for the band's entire history. Everybody here loves the original version of the band and 99% of everybody here thinks it's the best, but it's not a contest with any other lineup.
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Is this 50th anniversary "Brother" driven, formulated by the last lineup or did the industry look at this as a opportunity and present it to them?

Who cares? If they didn't think it was right they wouldn't be doing it, and their comments say they think it's a meaningful tribute.


When you flash dollar signs in front of someone who knows what they think,decide or say? Ask the Robinson brothers.

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  posted on 1/7/2020 at 10:15 PM
Okay when Warren Haynes is singing Blue Sky and adding clear Dickey licks to some of his Blue Sky or Jessica solo, maybe he isn't "pretending" to be Dickey but I guarantee you he is thinking about Dickey. And Gregg when he sings Statesboro Blues ABB style and Derek thinks about Duane Allman every time he playes slide on Statesboro Blues. Everytime.

Bloomberg and Forbes are rather accurate listing the net worth of famous people. Keith Richards is listed at 340 million from several sources. Clapton 300 million. With ABB people, Dickey 40 million, Gregg at his death 18 million, Warren 13 million, Derek 6 million, Jaimoe 1 million and 700 thousand dollars. Apparently the big difference between Gregg and Dickey is Gregg filed for bankruptcy in the early 1980's. It was in the papers. Both men have made millions off song writing royalties. The ASCAP and BMI royalties for radio airplay can be significant. I doubt it's the case now, but back in the mid nighties Butch Trucks posted here that other than all the airplay they got from Ramblin'Man and Jessica in 1973, the band gets more airplay on FM rock stations for selected tracks off many of their albums right now than ever before.

Radio stations have to keep up with the music they play and pay royalties through ASCAP or BMI. And the artist gets NOTHING!!! It's the song writers.

Gregg agreed to split Midnight Rider with Kim Payne 95% for Gregg and 05% for Kim because Kim helped him think of a lyric when Gregg became stuck. Sales of Idlewild South, Laid Back, A Decade of Hits, airplay of Midnight Rider etc has been a nice little income stream for Kim Payne even at just 5%=of one song. And the Brothers put Statesboro Blues on Fillmore East which sold over a million copies and the same track is on A Decade of Hits which sold over 2 million copies. That is a lot of royality money for whoever gets the money made by Blind Willie McTell.

In 2000 when the band was having the Dickey drama, Gregg was quoted in the press, " This is not about money. We all are millionaires and can retire right now."

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 12:13 AM
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Is this 50th anniversary "Brother" driven, formulated by the last lineup or did the industry look at this as a opportunity and present it to them?

Who cares? If they didn't think it was right they wouldn't be doing it, and their comments say they think it's a meaningful tribute.


When you flash dollar signs in front of someone who knows what they think,decide or say? Ask the Robinson brothers.

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by jszfunk]


I’d have to believe there might be some truth to that - people are only human & everyone needs money -
That said, the boys also see this as a way to honor music they & many people love - they won’t sell out on that end of it, Ever, not that they’re even doing that to begin with - a VERY special night is in store

Before going back to topic
hate sounding like a broken record.....

But gosh, wouldn’t it only be fitting to try to arrange something similar for Dickey - he’s still with us, few are more deserving & IMHO, such a show at the Beacon Theatre, harkening back to all those years of packed March shows, in honor of this amazing musician, would be just as wonderful

Thank you Bros., March 10 will be a treat!

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 09:41 AM
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Bloomberg and Forbes are rather accurate listing the net worth of famous people".....

blackey, you don't need to repeat the same financial stats you read on sugar packets in every thread. I enjoy your stories -- your stories, that you were a participant in -- but please stop dragging every thread towards the same tabloid gossip. We've all read the same books and articles you have, no need to rehash the same histories here.

I hope you have a great time at The Brothers show in March, it should be a great night of amazing music we all love.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 11:42 AM
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Okay when Warren Haynes is singing Blue Sky and adding clear Dickey licks to some of his Blue Sky or Jessica solo, maybe he isn't "pretending" to be Dickey but I guarantee you he is thinking about Dickey. And Gregg when he sings Statesboro Blues ABB style and Derek thinks about Duane Allman every time he playes slide on Statesboro Blues. Everytime.

He definitely isn't pretending to be anyone; he's playing songs he's played hundreds of times. And this is not how good musicians make music. When these guys are playing, they're in the moment, listening to each other and reacting to what the others are playing and what they're feeling. If you're thinking consciously about something while playing, the thing that happens most is that you screw up. They don't need to think about these guys to play like them. They spent I don't know how many hours listening to them or playing with them. It's instinct. They sometimes talk about adding a particular person's flavor to what they're doing, but once you've practiced that, it's not something you have to stop and think about. They talk about this stuff all the time in interviews.
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Bloomberg and Forbes are rather accurate listing the net worth of famous people.

They are not. Their estimates are about as good as you're going to get from an outsider, but they're not that accurate. Wealth is very hard to calculate and people try to game the system. At best, it's educated guesses built on educated guesses, which means it's not very factual. And you’re not getting those Allman Brothers numbers from Bloomberg and Forbes. They’re not spending much time examining the wealth of people worth $6 million.
Anyway: who cares about any of this? At best it's trivia, and it's not even good trivia. It doesn't tell you much of anything about the music, which is what most of us are interested in.

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I’d have to believe there might be some truth to that - people are only human & everyone needs money
That said, the boys also see this as a way to honor music they & many people love - they won’t sell out on that end of it, Ever - a VERY special night is in store

Everyone has bills to pay, but all of these guys have their own gigs already. I'm doubtful any of them needs this money badly enough that they would do this type of show if they didn't think it felt right.

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by Marley]

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 12:09 PM
Thank you porkchop. I hope I enjoy it too. I did okay before I retired but I'm not as wealthy as Dickey or even Jaimoe. So I'm not accustom to paying this kind of money to enjoy ABB music being played by musicians we should assume can play it better than any others working today.

Yes I imagine Warren, Derek, Chuck, Otiel, Jaimoe, Marc can play Allman Brothers music better than any group working today and Reese and Duane Trucks likely can rise to that level. Widespread Panic is sounding great and I well remember Reese with Stevie Ray Vaughn and was aware from 1970 when I first saw the ABB that Reese was the Peter Best of sorts of the Allman Brothers. Reese got bumped not because of his playing, but because they decided they needed Gregg to come in and do most of the singing. A couple of my buddies who were musicians back then saw a show or two when Duane's then unnamed band played at Second Coming shows. They indicated Dickey was singing a couple of songs, Duane was too and Berry was singing many including Trouble No More. They were blown away with Dickey, Duane, Berry, Butch, Jaimoe and Reese's playing. The chemistry and level of musicianship was very good. But the singing was just okay. Duane didnt impress at all and Dickey and Berry were fine on some songs but not that great on others. When they finally saw them under the ABB name at the park with Gregg singing, they then were really something. Likely to break out and be a big touring band. I'm a big fan of Gregg's organ playing but one of the guys I'm talking about felt Reese was better. But Gregg's singing made a huge difference in the quality of many of the songs.

I hope people will get behind Warren, Derek, Otiel, Jaimoe, Marc and Chuck etc to do a tribute show at the Fox in Atlanta or Beacon or somewhere for Dickey Betts while he is still living. You could have Allman Betts Band do a few songs and have people such as Jack Pearson and others who played with Dickey.

But this group called The Brothers playing at MSG in March could nail all of Dickey's songs such as Jessica, Blue Sky, Liz Reed, Seven Turns, Southbound etc. I mean nail them. Dickey would be the guest of honor and it would be his night. No need for Dickey to play.

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 12:24 PM
Unbelievable haha....I really hope that blackey is just trolling everyone with this nonsense. If that's in fact the case, my hat's off to him......funniest/longest/most dedicated troll job I've ever seen. Bravo.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 12:28 PM
This is how they should play Southbound at MSG. This is live from 1973 and it's starts like the album but keeps building and building and by Chuck's solo they are REALLY SMOKING!!! Jaimoe and Larmar showing why Chuck bonded with them. Well all 6 are smoking by halfway through. It is such a joy to hear a group of musicians play in this level. I bet MSG in March will be like this.

If you play this, play it loud and listen to them burn and leave a trail of smoke on the stage.

https://youtu.be/gekvzbk4SRM

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 12:31 PM
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Unbelievable haha....I really hope that blackey is just trolling everyone with this nonsense. If that's in fact the case, my hat's off to him......funniest/longest/most dedicated troll job I've ever seen. Bravo.


Blackey is not a troll. But he is passionate, I will say that. Lot's to read here, but dissecting this, I agree with 2 things: This concert is a great idea, and if Derek and Warren are in the middle of it, what can be bad?

It would also be deserved to honor Dickey Betts, and not just for his contributions to the Allman Brothers but rather his contributions to music. His resume of writing, playing and involvement with other artists is worthy of legend status. I would hope someone is inspired to put this together, just don't know who

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 12:54 PM
I agree that Blackey is no troll.
He tends to repeat stuff over and over-a bit obsessive but not by any means a troll.
Seems like a good guy who is deeply devoted to the band.

 

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I'm 73 years old. First saw the ABB in January 1970. I'm not even sure what a troll is in the world of the internet.

As one who worships at the alter of the original lineup I must say that live version of Southbound I linked above is the hottest live version of Southbound I've I've ever heard. I doubt the original lineup or any lineup of the ABB could have played it hotter. It's like a rocket launch. Starts out just a touch slow but man are they just flat out burning by Chuck's solo. It is such a trill to hear a band smoke it at that level. Play it loud!

My hat is off to Gregg, Dickey, Chuck, Lamar, Jaimoe and Butch. You guys were flat smoking on this.

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 01:07 PM
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Okay when Warren Haynes is singing Blue Sky and adding clear Dickey licks to some of his Blue Sky or Jessica solo, maybe he isn't "pretending" to be Dickey but I guarantee you he is thinking about Dickey. And Gregg when he sings Statesboro Blues ABB style and Derek thinks about Duane Allman every time he playes slide on Statesboro Blues. Everytime.

He definitely isn't pretending to be anyone; he's playing songs he's played hundreds of times. And this is not how good musicians make music. When these guys are playing, they're in the moment, listening to each other and reacting to what the others are playing and what they're feeling. If you're thinking consciously about something while playing, the thing that happens most is that you screw up. They don't need to think about these guys to play like them. They spent I don't know how many hours listening to them or playing with them. It's instinct. They sometimes talk about adding a particular person's flavor to what they're doing, but once you've practiced that, it's not something you have to stop and think about. They talk about this stuff all the time in interviews.


I doubt Gregg was pretending to be Taj Mahal or Blind Willie McTell when he sang Statesboro or Elmore James when he sang One Way Out.

But I also admire Blackey for his passion... I don't think there any many other fans as engaged in the Allman's as he is.

 

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What is wrong with me?

I'm not a doctor, but somebody's doing a very nice thing for you and you're slagging on the band...


I don't think Blackey is" slagging" on the band, at least I am not perceiving his post that way. He is very
passionate about the original lineup and he has the right to his opinion. I read nothing disparaging in it.

Describing the players as "pretending" to be other musicians is pretty insulting, especially when you're talking about guys who filled these roles in this band for 10 or 20 years and who have always been very vocal about their love and respect for the band's entire history. Everybody here loves the original version of the band and 99% of everybody here thinks it's the best, but it's not a contest with any other lineup.
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Is this 50th anniversary "Brother" driven, formulated by the last lineup or did the industry look at this as a opportunity and present it to them?

Who cares? If they didn't think it was right they wouldn't be doing it, and their comments say they think it's a meaningful tribute.


When you flash dollar signs in front of someone who knows what they think,decide or say? Ask the Robinson brothers.

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by jszfunk]


I am sure LiveNation threw a lot of money at the band to do this show. Previously, Derek repeatedly expressed a lot of reservations about any form of an Allman's reunion. But if I were in their shoes, I am sure the offer would be very hard to resist.

Don't think musicians are any different from the rest of us about doing what's "right" when someone throws a lot of money at them. And in many cases, their management makes these types of decisions for them.

Years ago, when Vinsanity and his rich uncle produced a DTB benefit show, it turned out the beneficiary was a parent organization in one of the richest counties in the country, which was raising money to install artificial grass in some of their playing fields. They did this to avoid state caps on school spending. The members of the DTB had no clue about this, they just showed up to play a gig.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 02:42 PM
An awful lot of rants/reactions to a show we have absolutely no control over.

Dickey/No Dickey? who's gonna sing what? Who deserves to be there or not? Shut up!

For those fortunate enough to go, please have a great time & let us all know afterwards what went down. Regardless of whomever is on stage, I think it is a safe bet that everyone from the original 6 are going to be honored in a righteous manner.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 03:05 PM
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An awful lot of rants/reactions to a show we have absolutely no control over.

Dickey/No Dickey? who's gonna sing what? Who deserves to be there or not? Shut up!

For those fortunate enough to go, please have a great time & let us all know afterwards what went down. Regardless of whomever is on stage, I think it is a safe bet that everyone from the original 6 are going to be honored in a righteous manner.

Exactly. I'm not sure why fans here think they know better than the guys on stage. Go and enjoy it or don't.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 03:20 PM
Should be great. I have a conflict or otherwise would try to make it to NYC for it.

It would be nice if Dickey was included. Warren and Derek both have been in favor of it, I think.

either way, have a blast. I hope it's recorded.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 03:45 PM
2 years ago, with the 50th Anniversary looming, I prayed for something like this show to happen. I actually hoped for a short Beacon run - maybe 3 or 4 nights. Nothing, no word for 2 years. Then the Live Nation teases, and the speculation of a Blackbird event which would have been underwhelming to say the least (for me). Now this. MSG in THE City. Finally, it's really going to happen! I'm going to take off work and fly a long way and get gouged on a ticket to be there. The boys are going to bring it hard on 3/10. I think it's going to be a very emotional and magical night.

I like the name The Brothers. As far as I'm concerned, they could call themselves the Allman Brothers Band. I've got no hang-ups about that kind of stuff. The most recent lineup of the ABB embodied the spirit and style of the original founders. They have been nothing but reverent. They have held themselves to the highest standards from all my experiences with them. The founders created an innovative, one-of-a-kind fusion band sound that has endured for many decades despite who was sitting in what chair. What luck to have Derek step in when Jack had to step away. What luck to have Warren come home to be the defacto bandleader. Forever grateful.

I don't recall who once drew the analogy to the Count Basie Orchestra, but boy that really nailed it. Count's been gone for over 30 years, the players have obviously changed many times since the 30's when he put the original band together, but they are still out there today as the Count Basie Orchestra and they are just excellent. They've got the sound, style, and swing. It's the Basie Way, as they call it. And they honor the man by still calling themselves "his" orchestra long after he's gone. That's the way I see it.

Is it March yet?! I can barely sit still I am so excited!







 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 04:03 PM
1989-2014
Us older,long time fans benefitted and loved these
added years-an unexpected and long encore of sorts.
Newer fans had a chance to live the ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND!
Without Warren and Derek,throughout most of those years,all the fans
who loved those encores would likely not have had an ABB.
We trusted those years and the music to Warren and Derek.
Can’t go wrong by trusting them to do the best music now.
No,without Gregg,it’s not the Allman Brothers.
But it’s pretty darn great musicians out there to do the music in the most competent,respectful and righteous ways.
They’ve earned that right.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 04:09 PM
I edited out my Debbie Downer/Negative Nancy thoughts. Grab a smile however you can.










[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Fretsman]

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 05:58 PM
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Okay when Warren Haynes is singing Blue Sky and adding clear Dickey licks to some of his Blue Sky or Jessica solo, maybe he isn't "pretending" to be Dickey but I guarantee you he is thinking about Dickey. And Gregg when he sings Statesboro Blues ABB style and Derek thinks about Duane Allman every time he playes slide on Statesboro Blues. Everytime.


So you are capable of guaranteeing what someone is thinking? Is it just what Warren and Derek are thinking that you can guarantee or can you guarantee what other people are thinking as well? Because if you can teach me this skill I would like to learn it. Would probably cut down on a lot of arguments with my wife. lol.

Goodness, you are entertaining. I'll give you that. What do you think the sales might be of a copy of this thread?

Heh Heh...

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 09:23 PM
Of course Warren thinks about Dickey when he sings and plays Blue Sky in the Allman Brothers Band. Warren is singing instead of the person in The Allman Brothers who sang it on the record, wrote the song and played lead guitar on the second solo. After Dickey wasn't in the band everytime I heard Warten play Dickey's solos on Blue Sky and Jessica, Warren would tip his hat to Dickey by adding a few Dickey licks to his solo to make it clear he is thinking about Dickey. Likewise when Derek or Warren open Statesboro Blues using the Allman Brothers arrangement, how it sounds on Fillmore East, Derek or Warren or when it was Jack Pearson, HAVE to be thinking about Duane originating those familiar slide licks on the opening of Statesboro Blues. They know they are recreating what Duane Allman originally did just like Harvey Beergut singing Heartbreak Hotel in a bar with a Karaoke machine will be thinking about Elvis Presley.

I don't know if Gregg thought about Blind Willie McTell everytime he sang Statesboro Blues because the ABB had their own arrangement. He may have thought about Taj Mahal.

But when you are in The Rolling Stones and you are singing Honky Tonk Women because Mick Jagger can't make the gig or is no longer in the band, you are going to think about Mick.

That is why Butch wanted the band to stop playing Dickey's songs. He was pissed so badly at Dickey he didnt want to think about Dickey and Butch would the moment they began playing Jessica.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 09:53 PM
Hope they play Southbound as good as this.

https://youtu.be/gekvzbk4SRM

This is the hottest live version of Southbound I've heard. It SMOKES!!!

 

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Of course Warren thinks about Dickey when he sings and plays Blue Sky in the Allman Brothers Band. Warren is singing instead of the person in The Allman Brothers who sang it on the record, wrote the song and played lead guitar on the second solo. After Dickey wasn't in the band everytime I heard Warten play Dickey's solos on Blue Sky and Jessica, Warren would tip his hat to Dickey by adding a few Dickey licks to his solo to make it clear he is thinking about Dickey. Likewise when Derek or Warren open Statesboro Blues using the Allman Brothers arrangement, how it sounds on Fillmore East, Derek or Warren or when it was Jack Pearson, HAVE to be thinking about Duane originating those familiar slide licks on the opening of Statesboro Blues. They know they are recreating what Duane Allman originally did just like Harvey Beergut singing Heartbreak Hotel in a bar with a Karaoke machine will be thinking about Elvis Presley.

I don't know if Gregg thought about Blind Willie McTell everytime he sang Statesboro Blues because the ABB had their own arrangement. He may have thought about Taj Mahal.

But when you are in The Rolling Stones and you are singing Honky Tonk Women because Mick Jagger can't make the gig or is no longer in the band, you are going to think about Mick.

That is why Butch wanted the band to stop playing Dickey's songs. He was pissed so badly at Dickey he didnt want to think about Dickey and Butch would the moment they began playing Jessica.


I think you are looking a bit too much into it. They were Allman Brothers concerts, which means Warren and Derek were supposed to perform the Allman Brothers sound. As brilliant artists, I would bet my bottom dollar that they were never thinking about Dickey and Duane during concerts.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 10:50 PM
This is going to be an incredible show, and i can't wait to hear it. I'm still holding out hope to get good seats at the right price later on. The music will be everything we're used to hearing from '99 - '14, and the nostaligic feeling will make it even better. I hope the venue does the art justice. Looking forward to everyone's real time comments who are going. Please post pics and updates as much as possible.
 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 11:02 PM
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Hope they play Southbound as good as this.

https://youtu.be/gekvzbk4SRM

This is the hottest live version of Southbound I've heard. It SMOKES!!!


I agree!
Dickey's solo after Chucks is amazing

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by masbama]

 
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