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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 11:38 AM
Nothing like a concert to get the Dickey Debate fired back up; just like the old days on this site ). I would have to believe that every band member on that stage knows the contribution he brought to the band. Enjoy the last ride of this incredible band and just let Dickey enjoy his retirement. God knows he has earned it and has nothing left to prove.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 11:43 AM
What I really want to know is if they'll stream this concert or do a DVD of it (assuming anybody does DVDs anymore). Most of us won't be able to make it to NYC for this show live, so I hope this usually-dysfunctional group gets its bleep together and makes the show available to everybody. Thanks for listening...
 

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Most of us won't be able to make it to NYC for this show live, so I hope this usually-dysfunctional group gets its bleep together and makes the show available to everybody.

I bet this will be recorded and hit the market. Warren and Derek know music business, not to mention, Live Nation.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 02:09 PM
Last night I was going. But now I'm not. It's probably a 3 thousand dollar trip. High ticket price, lodging, plane or train.

LiveNation focused on getting what is left of the last lineup to do a show from what I understand this morning. There was never any thought to involving Dickey or any other past living members. And Dickey said on his last tour he was struggling to just get his playing back to PAR. A golf term that means just average. Dickey didnt play at the Allman Betts Band show he attended recently. I doubt Dickey could and would play even if they had built the show around him and Jaimoe instead of the last lineup. He is 76 and has health issues and out of shape as a player. It happens to every musician sooner or later. Last time I caught BB King he had to sit and he hit a lot of clams. Old age had caught up with him.

Reese is a known keyboard player who was a key player for Stevie Ray Vaughn and was the original keyboard player in Duane's new band but Dickey has said several times he and Oakley had seen and heard Gregg and Dickey, Oakley and Duane were sharing lead vocal duties and Oakley was singing a good number of the songs they were working on including Trouble No More and Dickey claims it was he and Oakley that critiqued the band and convinced Duane that they needed a different drummer to be the time keeper and Jaimoe could stay but play all the little neat things and colorings around what Butch Trucks would bring to the band then after Duane agreed to add Butchie they convinced Duane to call his brother and try to talk him into taking over keyboards because Gregg could carry the band vocally and the others should just sing a song or two. But Jaimoe thinks Duane had a second drummer and eventually bringing in his brother early on when he realised the trio Phil Walden wanted wouldn't work. So whoever thought of Reese to take Gregg's chair made a good choice because if Gregg was happy recording that solo album he was doing out in LA to get the Hourglass off the hook with Liberty Records then Reese apparently would have been the keyboard player.

Duane Trucks was asked because Butch was his uncle.

Somebody, probably Warren, thought it would be cool to have Chuck play his most famous solo on one of the ABB'S most famous songs, Jessica.

Warren, Derek and Otiel and maybe Jaimoe decided to tell Dickey he is welcome to sit in on a few numbers like Chuck. Warren, Derek and Otiel were the ones I understand that wanted Dickey to join them on significant dates such as the 40th. Butch was absolutely opposed and Gregg had become indifferent about Dickey. If he comes then he can play.

This show was never about the original lineup or the Jack P. lineup but the last lineup. But I do hope they will let Jack play a song or two, especially Dimples for Duane as he did so well in the late 90's if Jack would express an interest in being there.

I doubt I will spend the money just to see this stitched together version of the last lineup. I will continue to see Mule and TTB every time they are close to me.

My future live ABB fix I guess will be Allman Betts Band. They do Blue Sky and Liz Reed real well and don't they look like the original front line. Devon looks more like Duane in the face than Gregg, Duane Betts looks like Dickey and Berry Oakley Jr. favors his father. And this Johnny cat in that band can play Statesboro Blues on slide about as good as Warren or Derek.

Anyway those who go hope you have a great time and I'm sure the guys on stage will be in the mood to bring their A game. I'm curious though who will sing most of Gregg's vocals. Seems it would have to be Warren. Marc sings well. After Derek joined in 1999 didnt Marc sing backing vocals until Warren joined? And remember Otiel sings some too. He was singing Seven Turns toward the end.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 06:36 PM
Guys, the band we love and that brought us all here, is getting back together for the first time in 5 years, in the form that they think works best. How can this be anything other than exciting?

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 07:36 PM
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Guys, the band we love and that brought us all here, is getting back together for the first time in 5 years, in the form that they think works best. How can this be anything other than exciting?


I could not agree with Alan more. Other than what the ticket prices might be, we should be thrilled by this.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 08:23 PM
Any chance David Goldflies would be invited, and if so, would he attend? I don't know anything about his relationship with the surviving bandmates, but he was in the band for 3 years.
 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 09:11 PM
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Last night I was going. But now I'm not. It's probably a 3 thousand dollar trip. High ticket price, lodging, plane or train.

LiveNation focused on getting what is left of the last lineup to do a show from what I understand this morning. There was never any thought to involving Dickey or any other past living members. And Dickey said on his last tour he was struggling to just get his playing back to PAR. A golf term that means just average. Dickey didnt play at the Allman Betts Band show he attended recently. I doubt Dickey could and would play even if they had built the show around him and Jaimoe instead of the last lineup. He is 76 and has health issues and out of shape as a player. It happens to every musician sooner or later. Last time I caught BB King he had to sit and he hit a lot of clams. Old age had caught up with him.

Reese is a known keyboard player who was a key player for Stevie Ray Vaughn and was the original keyboard player in Duane's new band but Dickey has said several times he and Oakley had seen and heard Gregg and Dickey, Oakley and Duane were sharing lead vocal duties and Oakley was singing a good number of the songs they were working on including Trouble No More and Dickey claims it was he and Oakley that critiqued the band and convinced Duane that they needed a different drummer to be the time keeper and Jaimoe could stay but play all the little neat things and colorings around what Butch Trucks would bring to the band then after Duane agreed to add Butchie they convinced Duane to call his brother and try to talk him into taking over keyboards because Gregg could carry the band vocally and the others should just sing a song or two. But Jaimoe thinks Duane had a second drummer and eventually bringing in his brother early on when he realised the trio Phil Walden wanted wouldn't work. So whoever thought of Reese to take Gregg's chair made a good choice because if Gregg was happy recording that solo album he was doing out in LA to get the Hourglass off the hook with Liberty Records then Reese apparently would have been the keyboard player.

Duane Trucks was asked because Butch was his uncle.

Somebody, probably Warren, thought it would be cool to have Chuck play his most famous solo on one of the ABB'S most famous songs, Jessica.

Warren, Derek and Otiel and maybe Jaimoe decided to tell Dickey he is welcome to sit in on a few numbers like Chuck. Warren, Derek and Otiel were the ones I understand that wanted Dickey to join them on significant dates such as the 40th. Butch was absolutely opposed and Gregg had become indifferent about Dickey. If he comes then he can play.

This show was never about the original lineup or the Jack P. lineup but the last lineup. But I do hope they will let Jack play a song or two, especially Dimples for Duane as he did so well in the late 90's if Jack would express an interest in being there.

I doubt I will spend the money just to see this stitched together version of the last lineup. I will continue to see Mule and TTB every time they are close to me.

My future live ABB fix I guess will be Allman Betts Band. They do Blue Sky and Liz Reed real well and don't they look like the original front line. Devon looks more like Duane in the face than Gregg, Duane Betts looks like Dickey and Berry Oakley Jr. favors his father. And this Johnny cat in that band can play Statesboro Blues on slide about as good as Warren or Derek.

Anyway those who go hope you have a great time and I'm sure the guys on stage will be in the mood to bring their A game. I'm curious though who will sing most of Gregg's vocals. Seems it would have to be Warren. Marc sings well. After Derek joined in 1999 didnt Marc sing backing vocals until Warren joined? And remember Otiel sings some too. He was singing Seven Turns toward the end.


I'm going to spray some Raid in the hornet's nest and say this, blackey: the last lineup is the best. It's also my favorite. I'm thrilled so many of them plus the other thoughtfully placed folks will be joining them. Can't wait to see what this lineup can do with the songs at this point in their careers, here in 2020. Bring it on!

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 12:47 AM
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Guys, the band we love and that brought us all here, is getting back together for the first time in 5 years, in the form that they think works best. How can this be anything other than exciting?


LMAO

Stick around and people will tell you all sorts of reasons. None will make sense but the comedy factor is there.

The sane response to your question is - this will be the concert of the year for many. Warren/Derek/everyone else - I will pay for that. Go see them individually anyway so seeing them play a night of ABB -Smokin'

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 05:27 AM
Surely this will be streamed live ... there are too many dollars at stake not to.

Couch tour 2020 ... March 10th. See you there!

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 08:13 AM
islalala. I don't have a problem that you think the last lineup was the best and that it is your favorite.

I would guess you never saw the original lineup or the Chuck/Lamar lineup or that you have not owned/played the albums At Fillmore East or Eat A Peach.

I saw the last lineup several times and not once for me did the last lineup play the songs on Fillmore East or Eat A Peach better or as well as the original lineup. But neither did the other lineups and I saw them all. There was a vibe after Duane that just wasn't there anymore.

Gregg Allman and Jaimoe occasionally would say the band was never as good after Duane died. Duane had a vibe, an energy, that the band was fed and led by that it never felt again.

Butch Trucks in 2015 said he could never get the last lineup to give him something daring and challenging like the original lineup did. That after several years, Butch knew what Warren and Derek were going to do before they did it. That the original lineup would jump in the deep end and take the music completely all the rails with no worry about a train wreck. Butch said Warren and Derek were just too afraid they would end up making a mistake or end up in the middle of a train wreck. That the last lineup was not as creative as the original.

Now I admit in interviews and posting on this site, Butch has complained about all lineups including the original when he told Duane to his face that due to his current drug use Duane wasn't giving Butch anything to play behind. Butch was very critical of Gregg after he got a solo band together and married Cher and was often very negative about the Toler/Goldflies lineup. Butch has complained about The Grateful Dead, Led Zeppelin and Lynyrd Skynyrd and really had a bitterness toward Ed King. So maybe we can overlook Butch where we think he may be wrong or too sensitive and just say he was the backbone of their sound from the first show in 1969 to the last in 2014 and may he rest in peace. Butch was a strong player and a unique man.But to me Butch was indeed right about the original lineup. It is the cornerstone of the ABB. If it had not been that good and unique, no later lineups would have come and gone. Well if Duane and Berry had not been killed I assume the originial lineup would have taken it to the end and what year they called it quits is anybody's guess. Mine is about 2007.

Most of the classic songs in the songbook also came from the original or Chuck/Lamar.

The last lineup had seven very good musicians in it and provided a free wheeling professional and enjoyable show. They were unpredictable with the set lists like the Dead. But they were standing on the shoulders of Duane Allman, Dickey Betts and Berry Oakley. They had just one album and never added anything new to the song book of the band. Whipping Post, Dreams, Midnight Rider, Melissa, Ain't Wasting Time No More, Blue Sky, Jessica, Liz Reed , Southbound and on and on were already classics when the last lineup formed and they didn't add ONE song to that classic song book!!

If they did; in your opinion, then what is it? Firing Line?, Bag End?? Those didn't become ABB classics.

(Disclaimer: The last line up played the ABB songs extremely well and added some new stuff that didn't become ABB standards. I enjoyed the last lineup and thought the musicianship was outstanding and I'm big fans of Warren and Derek. Don't get the idea I didnt like the last lineup!! Derek recently said his style is 60 % Duane Allman 40 % Elmore James with some eastern musicians spread on top. Warren wrote a song that is an ABB standard now. Soulshine. The album version has been played on YouTube over 2 million times. And to a degree comparing all this is probably splitting hairs. I never saw a show as exciting to me as the original lineup but I saw exciting ABB shows from every lineup including the last lineup and even the Toler/Goldflies lineup, the one Butch said was no good.

[Edited on 1/6/2020 by blackey]

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 08:19 AM
How do you create a setlist for 1 show ? Not an easy task for Warren. I would be excited if 'The Brother's ' were a new band ( similar to Dead and Company) that toured with the 1st show at The Garden . That final week of shows at The Beacon in 2014 were the perfect tribute to the ABB. My feelings are mixed at the moment . I'm sure as the date gets closer I will start feeling better about the 1 night tribute.


 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 09:33 AM
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Absolutely!

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 09:52 AM
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islalala. I don't have a problem that you think the last lineup was the best and that it is your favorite.

I would guess you never saw the original lineup or the Chuck/Lamar lineup or that you have not owned/played the albums At Fillmore East or Eat A Peach.

I saw the last lineup several times and not once for me did the last lineup play the songs on Fillmore East or Eat A Peach better or as well as the original lineup. But neither did the other lineups and I saw them all. There was a vibe after Duane that just wasn't there anymore.

Gregg Allman and Jaimoe occasionally would say the band was never as good after Duane died. Duane had a vibe, an energy, that the band was fed and led by that it never felt again.

Butch Trucks in 2015 said he could never get the last lineup to give him something daring and challenging like the original lineup did. That after several years, Butch knew what Warren and Derek were going to do before they did it. That the original lineup would jump in the deep end and take the music completely all the rails with no worry about a train wreck. Butch said Warren and Derek were just too afraid they would end up making a mistake or end up in the middle of a train wreck. That the last lineup was not as creative as the original.

Now I admit in interviews and posting on this site, Butch has complained about all lineups including the original when he told Duane to his face that due to his current drug use Duane wasn't giving Butch anything to play behind. Butch was very critical of Gregg after he got a solo band together and married Cher and was often very negative about the Toler/Goldflies lineup. Butch has complained about The Grateful Dead, Led Zeppelin and Lynyrd Skynyrd and really had a bitterness toward Ed King. So maybe we can overlook Butch where we think he may be wrong or too sensitive and just say he was the backbone of their sound from the first show in 1969 to the last in 2014 and may he rest in peace. Butch was a strong player and a unique man.But to me Butch was indeed right about the original lineup. It is the cornerstone of the ABB. If it had not been that good and unique, no later lineups would have come and gone. Well if Duane and Berry had not been killed I assume the originial lineup would have taken it to the end and what year they called it quits is anybody's guess. Mine is about 2007.

Most of the classic songs in the songbook also came from the original or Chuck/Lamar.

The last lineup had seven very good musicians in it and provided a free wheeling professional and enjoyable show. They were unpredictable with the set lists like the Dead. But they were standing on the shoulders of Duane Allman, Dickey Betts and Berry Oakley. They had just one album and never added anything new to the song book of the band. Whipping Post, Dreams, Midnight Rider, Melissa, Ain't Wasting Time No More, Blue Sky, Jessica, Liz Reed , Southbound and on and on were already classics when the last lineup formed and they didn't add ONE song to that classic song book!!

If they did; in your opinion, then what is it? Firing Line?, Bag End?? Those didn't become ABB classics.

(Disclaimer: The last line up played the ABB songs extremely well and added some new stuff that didn't become ABB standards. I enjoyed the last lineup and thought the musicianship was outstanding and I'm big fans of Warren and Derek. Don't get the idea I didnt like the last lineup!! Derek recently said his style is 60 % Duane Allman 40 % Elmore James with some eastern musicians spread on top. Warren wrote a song that is an ABB standard now. Soulshine. The album version has been played on YouTube over 2 million times. And to a degree comparing all this is probably splitting hairs. I never saw a show as exciting to me as the original lineup but I saw exciting ABB shows from every lineup including the last lineup and even the Toler/Goldflies lineup, the one Butch said was no good.

[Edited on 1/6/2020 by blackey]


You're right I never saw the original lineup live as I wasn't born yet, but the albums from that period are what hooked me. Like everyone else on here I've gobbled up every recording live or studio I could get my hands on and scrutinized every "inch of tape". You're a lucky dude for having seen them and props always to the originals bc they set the standard, but man do us "newbies" ( I was 15 when I saw my first show in 91 ) always have to beaten over the head about the originals? That's how it comes across.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 10:13 AM
I want to go!!!

I missed the final show(s) because, well, I had a 2 month old at home and it was impossible to go.

I've also missed some big tours lately due to insane ticket prices. Bob Seger's final tour, the recent Eagles tours, and my biggest regret is not laying down the credit card to go see David Gilmour in Chicago a couple years ago.

My last Allman show was at The Gorge May 16, 2009 with the Dead and the Doobies. The only time i've been to NYC was one ABB Beacon show in 2003 that was 1-2 shows removed from the DVD. I've seen the Mule, TTB, and Allman Betts since then and while they are great, nothing compares to being up front at an Allman Bros concert. It's a feeling i've never come close to experiencing with Any other band.

This is so tough. Living far away, I don't have the luxury to wait until 2 days prior to see what is released. Airfare is decent right now. But sitting in the back isn't even worth it to me so it's gotta be somewhat up close, but those tickets will be hundreds each. But it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.... But it'll cost too much..... yes, no, yes, no. I wanna GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 11:07 AM
Blackey - Get over the 69-71 era nonsense, that band has not existed since 1971

No question we would love to see Dickey one more time. The man had a stroke.

The music lived on and flourished with other players. Yes some era's were better than others
but get over it man. The last lineup was outstanding arguably as good as 71 but the point is
THEY ARE GETTING BACK TOGETHER AGAIN FOR ONE MORE SHOW.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 11:19 AM
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Blackey - Get over the 69-71 era nonsense, that band has not existed since 1971

No question we would love to see Dickey one more time. The man had a stroke.

The music lived on and flourished with other players. Yes some era's were better than others
but get over it man. The last lineup was outstanding arguably as good as 71 but the point is
THEY ARE GETTING BACK TOGETHER AGAIN FOR ONE MORE SHOW.


Another member posted that the last lineup was the best lineup and their favorite. Blackey responded, and i thought he did a good job of putting it in context. He is obviously a great ABB fan through today, and including the splinter bands. I enjoy his posts

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 11:25 AM
@Blackey: YAWN...

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 11:27 AM
They should call the VIP Package the Whippin Post because that's exactly what it's gonna feel like to spend the money to be up close. Good Lord I feel like i'm Dyin! For 2 hours of BLISS!

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 11:36 AM
Blackey i like your posts and the history you bring to the site. What you don't seem to understand is that it's possible for people to disagree with you without being wrong. I saw the original band in their greatest show and agree I like them best as well. I don't agree that the Chuck Levell edition was better than the last. As far as the hits/album argument I don't buy it. You are talking 30/40 years later, that type of music is not what's on today's radio or young peoples list. I honestly feel if the original brothers started today they would be as good but not as well received, times are different. This is a great show and i wish i could go and to be upset because of the presentation or Dickies refusal to attend is IMHO off base. The guys playing worship at the alter of the ABB and are paying tribute. Remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We would all be better off if we could agree to disagree.
 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 12:32 PM
It was pointed out to me that the David Spero quote in the Rolling Stone article is likely one from 2014, not about the reunion. The article is poorly written at that point because it makes it seem as if it is a quote about Dickey's participation in this tribute 2020 show. But he speaks in past tense. So, I don't think we have an idea if Dickey was asked to be a part of this.

I loved seeing Dickey & Jaimoe together in 2018 in Macon. With Dickey's level of playing in 2018 and his subsequent stroke and fall (brain surgery), plus so little playing since 2014, I don't think there is a realistic way he could credibly perform at this beyond a slowed down song or two. I bet he'd rather not.

Chuck being a part of it makes sense since he was a semi-regular guest with the final ABB lineup (having not once played with the ABB from 1989-2000). He's was also the musical director of the 2017 Peachfest tribute set that also included Jaimoe, Oteil, Marc, Warren, Jack. (I also got to see Chuck take the roof off the Fox in ATL on Jessica with Warren + Derek at the 2017 Col Bruce Tribute).

Hopefully, Chuck plays a lot that night but "Special Guest" I think guarantees nothing beyond Jessica. We'll see.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 12:36 PM
MSG means a lot of seats to sell. Plus, it's a one-off weekday gig, which limits how many can travel there like used to for the Beacon. New York & New Jersey love the Allman Brothers, but I don't think the scalpers will be making big bucks on this show. VIP and front sections will have crazy prices, but the rest should be reasonable (if they want the arena full). The performers likely have little do with ticket prices.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 12:52 PM
PS - here is that Jessica with Chuck, Warren, Derek from the Col Bruce Tribute (plus Duane Trucks, Dave Schools, Jon Fishman, Matt Slocum):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf0eNritXyk

If MSG sounds anywhere this good (I bet it will), fans are in for a real treat.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 01:16 PM
If Whipping Post is anything close to this it will be a nice tribute to Gregg.

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 01:45 PM
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PS - here is that Jessica with Chuck, Warren, Derek from the Col Bruce Tribute (plus Duane Trucks, Dave Schools, Jon Fishman, Matt Slocum):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf0eNritXyk

If MSG sounds anywhere this good (I bet it will), fans are in for a real treat.
They crushed it!.

 
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