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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 04:16 PM
Dickey Betts was an integral part of the ABB. He was a founding member and beyond (Second Coming). If it was a scheduling issue that prevents him from being there then it was flawed from the start as the 50th Anniversary should have had him as the centerpiece and scheduled around him. If it was a diminishing skills issue or health issue that prevents him from playing or singing then he should be there onstage in a lesser role, but he deserves to be there, he earned the right to be there, his absence would be a stain on the event.

I saw the 10th Anniversary of the Skynyrd plane crash in the Meadowlands Arena and it reunited the surviving members. It was special. Allen Collins a lesser but essential contributor to the Skynyrd sound was recovering from the car crash and they rolled him out in a wheel chair to a standing ovation to show him the much deserved love to him. It was a somber, but sweet moment.

If Mr. Betts is able to safely travel to NYC by whatever means suits him and his possible restrictions then Mr. Betts has earned the right to be there. To have others travel the fretboard paths, sing from his lyrical output, and display the overall genius that the man has laid down.

Derek and Warren and others should play their own tunes under their own marquees. I was never a fan of Warren sing Blue Sky or Ramblin' Man. I have mixed feelings about this event which I surely plan to attend. If it's to be done right Dickey Betts should be there. Period.

To have that Gent come out on stage and be a part of this legitimizes it. To have him ignored would be a travesty and a money grabbing sham. Mr. Betts doesn't need the money, he needs and deserves the love and appreciation of all this night intends.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 04:53 PM
Nobody is ignoring Dickey. He was invited and declined, for whatever reason(s) and his manager was being diplomatic about it by citing scheduling conflicts.

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The 2003 iteration of The Allman Brothers Band-founding members Gregg Allman, Jaimoe and Butch Trucks plus Warren Haynes, Marc Quinones, Oteil Burbridge and Derek Trucks-would prove to be the longest-running line-up and most consistent in its live performances.


Thought that was a little bit unnecessary. I could see how other former members of the band might take umbrage to that. Certainly not an olive branch.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 05:04 PM
They did reach out to him, he cited a schedule conflict
Does seem kind of ironic, having to be invited as a guest to celebrate something you helped create
Hopefully Dickey Betts will be accorded similar love himself w/such a show someday - he’s sure deserving
March 10 sure looks like all the **** alright - fantastic
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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 05:27 PM
I'd be thrilled to see Dickey come out and just sing "Blue Sky," even if the others carry the guitar duty. He should receive some honor. Obviously the crowd would explode.

It would be a lovely touch to have Duane Betts and Devon Allman make an appearance to represent their dads.

I will certainly try to snag a ticket for the event. I'm not sure how much money I'd be willing to spend, though. I love the ABB, love Derek and Warren, would love to see Chuck. I'm just not made of money, and I saw the ABB a a number of times, and I might prefer saving my $ for a good seat in a smaller venue to see TTB or Mule. I am certainly going to try to get in on pre-sale to see what is what, though.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 05:41 PM
The bad news: having this as a one-nighter at MSG is nonsensical, imo. Are they going to
perform a medley of Dickey's instrumentals? I don't think they come close to selling
out the arena.
The good news: if this is a success, we will get a The Brothers shed tour at some point,
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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 06:01 PM
I love Dickey Betts and all he has brought to the world of music. The "longest" line-up was playing 99% of the first ~10 years of the ABB. The Dickey Years! The pure ABB was with Duane. a notch down was with Dickey led ABB of the early mid '70's. Whether it's the sweet riffs of Just Ain't Easy or Sail Away or Ramblin Man or Blue Sky when this night comes Dickey should be there and all attempts should be made to get him there. The greatest musicians in the world can play his licks and songs, but if he's alive and he is, He should be there. When this setlist has become history the Dickey contributed songs will rule the day. I love them all, but Dickey made this band what it was, not what it became post Dickey.

I don't know what his schedule or status is, but Mr. Betts should be there.

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 06:50 PM
Even if Dickey just sings on a few tunes, that would be good with me. You’re my blue sky, you’re my sunny day!

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 07:42 PM
Let Dickey enjoy his retirement. He has nothing to prove to anyone. I almost regret seeing Dickey at the Beacon as it was a subpar performance but I have so many great memories and can relive them through all of the music he created and performed on.

Regarding the tickets available on the secondary market, I would pay little mind to it. Folks are attempting to create a market that does not exist yet. Having said that, I don’t know what to think about the demand for tickets. If I had to guess, I think they will sell out but the secondary market will do poorly as the date approaches. The only question I have is whether the popularity of Derek Trucks will move tickets along with the “final” performance of the band. Trucks can come close to selling out the Garden by himself with his band. But we are talking about a large arena with what will probably be inflated prices.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 08:07 PM
Hopefully they will find a way for Dickey to be there and come out and wave at the crowd. I doubt Dickey can play right now. Lifestyle, stroke, head injury, age and not playing much since 2014, 6 years ago, probably means Dickey would not be ready to play Jessica or Blue Sky with Warren and Derek who are at full stride with their playing right now.

But if the people putting on this show and the people playing in this show are just focused on the last lineup even if they tout it as the longest together and the most consistent, if they are presenting this show with the focus on the last lineup being THE Allman Brothers Band then that is BS!!!

I'm beginning to wonder if they view Dickey as not that important. That is BS if true. If it were not for Dickey Betts there wouldn't be any reason to have a show. Warren, Derek, Otiel, Chuck etc don't come close to being as important to the legacy and success of the ABB. Dickey is a GIANT. The last lineup guys are not. Ramblin'Man , Jessica, Liz Reed, Revival, Blue Sky, Les Brer in A minor, Southbound, Pony Boy, Crazy Love, Back Where It All Begins, Change My Way of Living, High Falls and on and on. And Dickey's guitar is not channeling Duane Allman.

Apparently Derek is Duane, Warren is Dickey, Otiel is Oakley, Duane Trucks is Butch, Jaimoe is Jaimoe, Reese is Gregg ( it would have been Reese's gig if Gregg had not left LA and been the last one to join) and Chuck is there to salute the band's most successful lineup commercially. The last lineup doesn't come close to the commercial success as the Chuck/Lamar lineup and that lineup was set up by the original band. Just months after Duane died and before Chuck and Lamar joined EAT A PEACH SOLD OVER ONE MILLION COPIES and went to number 4 out of 200 albums. The original lineup did that. The Chuck/Lamar lineup was handed the goose that laid the golden egg.

But Dickey is still alive and there will not be ONE MUSICIAN including Jaimoe that is as important to the sound and success of the ABB as Dickey Betts. If these people think the last lineup is THE Allman Brothers then they are full of it. If that is how this is going down then I'm not going and F a shed tour.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 08:55 PM
There is but one Dickey Betts, Warren and Derek more resemble Duane sound wise. That DB sweetness of tone is hard to replicate, Duane Betts has his own sweet spot in that sound. Less mechanical than the others. Warren or Derek can compliment Dickey Betts, but neither replaces him.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 09:06 PM
Dickey has been invited multiple times to these events and does not show.
His chops are essentially gone, and his voice too. GAs final album was a masterpiece,
and GAs final live album was solid. D

Betts' didn't and hasn't come close with his later output.
Let him go in peace.


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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 09:09 PM
I have no doubt that Live Nation would love nothing more than to be able to advertise Dickey Betts for this show as it would certainly help ticket sales. I also suspect that there are folks here clamoring for Dickey who did not see him on his last tour and that was before the several maladies that he has gone through.

My take is we need to appreciate what he did and respect whatever decision he makes. I appreciate the lineup that has been assembled for this show.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 09:12 PM
Mr. Betts and Jack Pearson should be there in my opinion. Bring in Devon, Duane and Berry Jr.
 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 09:19 PM
Lest the thread get derailed any further, why not focus on the positivity of March 10 &, to echo the previous post, let Dickey enjoy his retirement - it’s all about the love for the ABB, that includes Dickey whether he’s there or not - guessing they’ll touch on each era, not just post-2003
Prolly not the early-80s era tho

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 09:49 PM
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Mr. Betts and Jack Pearson should be there in my opinion. Bring in Devon, Duane and Berry Jr.


Echoing an earlier post, the Allman-Betts Band will be on the west coast at this time - LA March 8, San Luis Obispo March 11 - unfortunate timing!

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 10:16 PM
If checking to see if Dickey would want to join us on stage as an afterthought is outrageous. It didnt occur to me until tonight that Dickey was asked if he could drop by and be with us when us is Dickey's us much more so than the band members is very disappointing. They should have built this show around Dickey and Jaimoe and let Dickey be a full partner even if all he felt capable of doing is wave to the crowd like Allan Collins did at a celebration of Skynyrd. It does seem the focus is getting as much of the last lineup together and they don't count Dickey as part of what now is considered the BAND.

I'm glad they are calling it The Brothers because it is NOT the ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND. The last lineup was almost not the Allman Brothers and Gregg even said when he looked at the front line and didnt see an original Allman Brother it was strange. He had to remember Warren, Derek and Otiel were in the band with Dickey and Dickey was with his brother and Oakley then he could connect the dots. But with Gregg and Butch also gone this is clearly a tribute band and wisely they don't call it the Allman Brothers. Back in 1971 it seemed wrong to call it the Allman Brothers after Duane died until one of the roadies said they honor Duane by keeping the name and his chair is not being replaced. That even if they decide to go back to 6 members the new man wouldn't replace Duane and likely wouldn't even be a guitar player.

If some of you want to see this group play Egypt, Bag End, Dusk to Dawn and The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down and call that the Allman Brothers then what you call the Allman Brothers is not what I call the Allman Brothers. But even this lineup isn't calling it the Allman Brothers. And Derek said "one last time" so apparently he isn't right now willing to take their version of The Dead, not Grateful Dead, on the road. I bet the song selection will be 90 % original lineup. If I go I hope they focus on the classic songs and of course have Chuck out there for the Brothers and Sisters stuff.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2020 at 11:33 PM
This thread did indeed run off the tracks.

Let's not assume things. Dickey may indeed have no desire to take on such a task. He has been in bad health and would surely not want to embarass himself.

If the guys who carried the band for its final decade-plus incarnation and are doing just fine on their own want to get together to do a one-off to celebrate the ABB, more power to them. Plus Chuck Leavell? Amen!!!! Anyone who gets to attend will be privy to a great show.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 06:34 AM
The scalpers will be out in full force for this one, and of course, you have to deal with Live Nation and their dynamic pricing too. I would say I might stay on the sidelines until the day of the show. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am sure it will Sell Out, but how many tickets will the scalpers be left holding the day of the show?

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 07:32 AM
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Mr. Betts and Jack Pearson should be there in my opinion. Bring in Devon, Duane and Berry Jr.


Echoing an earlier post, the Allman-Betts Band will be on the west coast at this time - LA March 8, San Luis Obispo March 11 - unfortunate timing!


Gotcha, didn't realize that. It would be so cool if they did an acoustic set with Warren singing My Only True Friend.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 07:42 AM
I've been told told that Derek is singing lead on Liz Reed

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 07:47 AM
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The scalpers will be out in full force for this one, and of course, you have to deal with Live Nation and their dynamic pricing too. I would say I might stay on the sidelines until the day of the show. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am sure it will Sell Out, but how many tickets will the scalpers be left holding the day of the show?

Let the chess games begin.


As I wrote earlier, I don’t have a good sense of how the secondary market is going to be. If this would have been a Bobfest type of lineup, then I think prices would have been off the rail. The real question is how many of the hardcore will come ourt for a an arena show. The demographic is older who probably have more dispensable income to spend. Then again the demographic skews over 60 and they have to watch their money more.

Since the prices have not been announced I am guessing front orchs are running 250 bucks and up, back orchs 150-175 bucks, and lower level 175-125 bucks. How high would I pay? 150 bucks which includes TM surcharge. But I am really curious how much tickets are. I think they could be in danger of pricing this too high.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 10:26 AM
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The scalpers will be out in full force for this one, and of course, you have to deal with Live Nation and their dynamic pricing too. I would say I might stay on the sidelines until the day of the show. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am sure it will Sell Out, but how many tickets will the scalpers be left holding the day of the show?

Let the chess games begin.


This will be my likely approach as well. I'm pretty sure between VIP Packages, "Platinum" Tickets and general over the top pricing at MSG, we are going to find that the prices are ridiculous. It's very common for all lower bowl seating in MSG to start at $250+ before fees. That will certainly keep me on the sidelines.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 10:42 AM
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Agreed. I hope Jack Pearson is there and plays.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 11:05 AM
Enjoy this show for what it is and not what you think it should be. It will never be 2009 again. Or 1994. Or 1971. This isn't billed as "The Allman Brothers Band"; it's a show to honor their music, performed by the closest thing you're going to get to the Allman Brothers. If you think Dickey really had other plans that day, you're probably fooling yourself. If it's not what you want it to be, just don't go.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 11:31 AM
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Enjoy this show for what it is and not what you think it should be. It will never be 2009 again. Or 1994. Or 1971. This isn't billed as "The Allman Brothers Band"; it's a show to honor their music, performed by the closest thing you're going to get to the Allman Brothers. If you think Dickey really had other plans that day, you're probably fooling yourself. If it's not what you want it to be, just don't go.


Well said PC..........They invited Dickey and he declined to attend. Move on, nothing more to see here.

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