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  posted on 12/1/2019 at 12:09 AM
How about this one, Jerry? My wife’s cousin is about 32 years old. He did two tours in Iraq, and then six years with a Blackwater-type private security company in Iraq. He is back home and working as a police officer in Ohio. Two years ago, he was home from Iraq and all of his siblings took him out to the bars. He ended up beating the crap out of his younger sister. The family would not let her report him because he “has had too much to deal with” and told her she should not have pissed him off. His uncle told me that he owns about 30 guns. His wife was going to leave him to get their two young daughters away from him about nine months ago, but now has decided to stay.

Does this sound like a situation where the family can be trusted to do what is safe, and gun ownership is a patriotic endeavor? Obviously, he has no convictions because his sister was coerced to not file a report.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 07:16 AM
Tough tough situation, feel for your wife, hopefully it works out for her cousin - not to stick my nose in it, but he should’ve been arrested for the attack on his sister - maybe he was provoked but still no excuse for that

Not a school, but The Big Easy has has some shoot em ups of late
Overall tho mass shootings seem to be subsiding from the epidemic levels of a few months ago - it will never cease completely but minimizing them, letting gun criminals know they face the strongest most exacting punishment for their crimes, is the right trend/a good start

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 12:49 PM
It seems incredibly disrespectful towards the firearm itself, to let the reckless irresponsible fools of our country to purchase such a powerful weapon. Shouldn't we want people to have to work for this a little? Maybe put a little bit of effort into showing you can handle one first? If your only requirement is a clean record, then you aren't really holding the object in the highest regard. I respect guns, so I think only the competent should be able to have one. And if you bust your butt everyday, despite having sh*tty parents, to overcome their shortcomings, work hard, and support your loved ones, then why would you offer the same benefits to someone who never put any effort into any of those things?



[Edited on 12/2/2019 by Skydog32103]

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 01:09 PM
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It seems incredibly disrespectful towards the firearm itself, to let the reckless irresponsible fools of our country to purchase such a powerful weapon. Shouldn't we want people to have to work for this a little? Maybe put a little bit of effort into showing you can handle one first? If your only requirement is a clean record, then you aren't really holding the object in the highest regard. I respect guns, so I think only the competent should be able to have one. And if you bust your butt everyday, despite having sh*tty parents, to overcome their shortcomings, work hard, and support your loved ones, then why would you offer the same benefits to someone who never put any effort into any of those things?



Once again, you and your ilk have failed to address the most important question we all face....

"How do we keep these weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS"?

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 01:13 PM
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Once again, you and your ilk have failed to address the most important question we all face....

"How do we keep these weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS"?


Ilk? It ain't my fault you are working class, so don't take it out on me. Second, criminals are not legally allowed to purchase, as Jerry has pointed out several times...pay attention.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 01:24 PM
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”How do we keep these weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS”
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IMO, with the harshest most unyielding penalties the law would allow
Trigger fingers would get a lot less itchy if first time offenders were looking at jail time/2nd time offenders, mandatory life sentence........the punishment would have to fit the crime

Just finished reading an account of the memorial service for the 10 year old boy killed by crossfire in a gang gunfight at a HS football game last month in NJ - hundreds attended - can be found online

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 01:29 PM
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Once again, you and your ilk have failed to address the most important question we all face....

"How do we keep these weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS"?


Ilk? It ain't my fault you are working class, so don't take it out on me. Second, criminals are not legally allowed to purchase, as Jerry has pointed out several times...pay attention.


How do we keep the guns out of the hands of criminals?.."Purchasing"...has NEVER been the issue here, Acquisition is.

Solutions?

I didn't think so

You might want to look up the definition of "Ilk"..before you go all snowflake on me.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 01:39 PM
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How do we keep the guns out of the hands of criminals?.."Purchasing"...has NEVER been the issue here, Acquisition is.

Solutions?

I didn't think so

You might want to look up the definition of "Ilk"..before you go all snowflake on me.


Purchasinig might not be the issue for you maybe, but our mass shooters tend to purchase their guns legally, which is an issue for many Americans whether you like it or not. My posts are about purchasing laws, in response to Jerry's post that all adults should own. If you want to discuss how to stop the black market, something that has existed worldwide for thousands of years, then I suggest you start a thread about it.

 

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How do we keep the guns out of the hands of criminals?.."Purchasing"...has NEVER been the issue here, Acquisition is.

Solutions?

I didn't think so

You might want to look up the definition of "Ilk"..before you go all snowflake on me.


Purchasinig might not be the issue for you maybe, but our mass shooters tend to purchase their guns legally, which is an issue for many Americans whether you like it or not. My posts are about purchasing laws, in response to Jerry's post that all adults should own. If you want to discuss how to stop the black market, something that has existed worldwide for thousands of years, then I suggest you start a thread about it.


"I predict the next school shooting will be in"

Unless I am mistaken, this is the title of this thread and nowhere is there any allusion to guns being "purchased legally"..

"Purchasing" vs. "Acquisition"

Citizens can "Purchase" legally. Criminals "acquire"....

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which is an issue for many Americans whether you like it or not


Once again, my "issue" has everything to do with the Left's knee-jerk reaction that more Laws are the answer for everything....."Mass shootings" disgust and alarm me as much if not more than anyone.

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but our mass shooters tend to purchase their guns legally


Evidence? And if this is the case, does this not give stock to the thought that Mental Illness is at the forefront?

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 04:40 PM
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Evidence? And if this is the case, does this not give stock to the thought that Mental Illness is at the forefront?


Why let these undiagnosed mentally ill folks purchase legally? How is that showing respect for the object? That's treating a firearm the same as a pack of cigarettes - any reckless idiot can get one. It's like giving a Green Jacket to all golphers in the tournament, or giving trophies to all the kids in the league just for playing...whatever happened to reverence, merit, and earning your badge of honor?

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 05:40 PM
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Once again, you and your ilk have failed to address the most important question we all face....

"How do we keep these weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS"?


You are correct, an ilk other than your ilk has failed to address that question. What is YOUR ilk's answer to the question?

Has any ilk addressed the question? Maybe instead of going all snowflake on us all the time you could put some thought into how your ilk has succeeded in answering the question where another ilk has failed.

Instead of constantly finding fault with others try coming up with constructive ideas of your own for a change.

Then you could help the other ilk learn from your ilk.
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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 06:01 PM
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Why let these undiagnosed mentally ill folks purchase legally?


Agreed, they should not, their names should and must be added to the existing electronic background check list.



 

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Why let these undiagnosed mentally ill folks purchase legally?


Agreed, they should not, their names should and must be added to the existing electronic background check list.



So undiagnosed mentally ill should be barred from purchasing firearms?

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 06:42 PM
Then you and your ilk think that a quarter of the US population should be barred from purchasing firearms:

Percentage of US population that is mentally ill, CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6003a1.htm


 

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Once again, you and your ilk have failed to address the most important question we all face....

"How do we keep these weapons out of the hands of CRIMINALS"?


You are correct, an ilk other than your ilk has failed to address that question. What is YOUR ilk's answer to the question?

Has any ilk addressed the question? Maybe instead of going all snowflake on us all the time you could put some thought into how your ilk has succeeded in answering the question where another ilk has failed.

Instead of constantly finding fault with others try coming up with constructive ideas of your own for a change.

Then you could help the other ilk learn from your ilk.


You seem to be somewhat preoccupied with the word "Ilk" ...Perhaps you might be able to use it in the same sentence as "Concentration Camp"....

That would be cool

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 07:20 PM

Snowflake grudge - remembers one little thing forever. Mulemind used to do the same thing.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 08:13 PM
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Agreed, they should not, their names should and must be added to the existing electronic background check list.


Perfect. In order to put them on the list, we must somehow identify the undiagnosed mentally ill. How? It would take new legislation to screen for them during reformed purchasing procedures. How about federal mandates to expand the application process to include an in-person screening? Purchase whatever you want upon passing. I would imagine that an in-person screening process would be able to detect the red flags that indicate a ticking time bomb. Wouldn't have to be anything thorough, just some basic questions to get a feel for the customer.

This is all our ilk would ever want. Even you and I can agree it would be best not to legally sell guns to people who are mentally unstable, but the Republicans in Washington won't stand up to the NRA. I don't think it has to do with the voters. Even my far-right Trump-loving friends and family think we need to make it a lot harder to purchase, therefore I don't believe blocking such legilsation is popular among the people. I can only think that there must be a TON of money floating around to keep gun sales as high as possible, and any threat to that flow could mean trouble for whoever is behind it. Sad.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2019 at 08:31 PM
I think all paranoid schizos should have RPGs.
 

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  posted on 12/4/2019 at 08:12 PM
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People who live in glass houses

 

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  posted on 12/4/2019 at 09:23 PM
He who go to bed with itchy @sshole wake up with smelly finger
 

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  posted on 12/5/2019 at 11:01 AM
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Agreed, they should not, their names should and must be added to the existing electronic background check list.


Perfect. In order to put them on the list, we must somehow identify the undiagnosed mentally ill. How? It would take new legislation to screen for them during reformed purchasing procedures. How about federal mandates to expand the application process to include an in-person screening? Purchase whatever you want upon passing. I would imagine that an in-person screening process would be able to detect the red flags that indicate a ticking time bomb. Wouldn't have to be anything thorough, just some basic questions to get a feel for the customer.
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Who would form the committee to set the guidelines? Who would do the pre-purchase check? What would happen to the person who doesn't pass the "test"? There are different types of mental illness, many of which are treatable. What about those persons? Just how political would the program become when it's at the mercy of elected officials?

To add someone to the NICS database as one of the "un-diagnosed" mentally ill and barred from purchasing firearms you have to have them adjudged, meaning found by a court of law to be mentally unsound.
They would have to be found either mentally insane or mentally incompetent.
Here's the thing about that. They could never go into contracts, get a drivers license, probably would never be able to get a decent job, basically, their lives would be ruined.
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This is all our ilk would ever want.
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No, it won't be. It would be another one of many steps the anti-gunners have worked at to disarm citizens.
Every time a scheme like this has come up the armed citizens are told, "See, you compromised here, why won't you compromise with this. It's not like we're going to take away all your guns, just these few."

For over 50 years I've watched this happen over and over. Don't fall for it again.
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Even you and I can agree it would be best not to legally sell guns to people who are mentally unstable, but the Republicans in Washington won't stand up to the NRA.

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There it is, the dreaded NRA boogeyman. Did you know that the ACLU, not the NRA, is trying to get the "mentally ill" question off the Form 4473? The ACLU claims that the mentally ill have gun rights, just like anybody else and should be allowed to purchase firearms. The NRA has been pushing the government about mental illness and firearm purchases since 1966. The NRA supported legislation to have the records of those judged mentally incompetent or insane added to the NICS background checks.
Legislation backed by the NRA was enacted in 1968 to deny firearms purchases to those who have been "adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution".

Tell me again about how the NRA is such a bad group.
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  posted on 12/5/2019 at 11:06 AM
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Anytime I see a politico fervently pushing "gun control", I think back about Leland Yee and his unabashed support for getting firearms out of the hands of the general public.
https://huffpost.com/entry/leland-yee-gun-trafficing_n_5038152

I also think about how Nancy Pelosi has a concealed carry permit when few in her district can't get one.


Anytime I see someone fervently pushing the idea that there are already too many obstacles and laws in the way of anybody getting their hands on a gun,


I don't know where you have seen that since I haven't seen anyone on this thread mention "too many obstacles" anywhere.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2019 at 02:31 PM
Military bases can be as deadly as schools
The one in Pensacola (4 dead others wounded) might be terrorism-related they’re saying as the shooter was a Saudi aviation student
Earlier this week, a similar incident at Pearl Harbor

Seems to hardly be news anymore - the shooting involving a UPS truck at a Fla. intersection leaving 4 dead, including a nearby motorist, is atrocious
As always, it’s the people not the guns doing the damage - it’s up to people to control guns, not vice versa

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  posted on 12/6/2019 at 03:43 PM
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Boom!

 

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  posted on 12/6/2019 at 04:06 PM

Personally I feel more at ease among unarmed people than I do around folks packing heat.

 
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