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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 12:34 PM
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What NEW methods and ideas is the Left offering up?


My only point is that you and liberals both want a new paradigm - if you need to explore that further with somebody, good luck.


Your only point is that like all on the left, you have zero NEW ideas on how to "fix" this. If it does not pertain to some sort of new step in making the purchase of legal firearms a wee bit more lengthy, you have nothing. How about this for a change in the paradigm? Found in possession of a firearm that is not registered?...Lose your vehicle. 2nd time?...Lose your home.

Build facilities that incarcerate those who defy this a 3rd time or have no home or car to lose.

"But what about their livelihoods and families the left will more than likely counter"?

"YOU made the choice, here is the price society has deemed you shall pay"

It is time to start protecting the law abiding citizen and beating the you know what out of those who CHOOSE to circumvent the system.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 12:48 PM
Sounds EXACTLY like something some dumberthanaboxofrocks Liberal new world order globalist socialist more laws more govt LOSER would propose as a plank in a doomed platform.
 

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Your only point is that like all on the left, you have zero NEW ideas on how to "fix" this. If it does not pertain to some sort of new step in making the purchase of legal firearms a wee bit more lengthy, you have nothing. How about this for a change in the paradigm? Found in possession of a firearm that is not registered?...Lose your vehicle. 2nd time?...Lose your home.
Build facilities that incarcerate those who defy this a 3rd time or have no home or car to lose.

Build new facilities and revoke unrelated rights? Sounds downright fascist, not to mention incredibly expensive - prisons and legal proceedings cost the public far more than a background check. Most states have repeat felony laws already, expanding punishment would not be much of a deterrent (and how many repeat felons own their own home? Not having stuff is usually why they are using illegal firearms in the first place).

When it comes to an issue that involves fatalities, typically you try to use preventative measures first. Unless, of course, you're the gun manufacturer who is only concerned with completing the sale, regardless of the result. When Reagan implemented such a preventative bill, most gun owners agreed they didn't mind waiting another week or two for public safety's sake. If someone can't wait a week for a gun, I'd say that's a pretty big red flag.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 02:08 PM
It makes a whole lot more sense than the insulting 12:48 pm reply - unfortunately, politics, not common sense, will always drive gun control debate, rendering it unsolvable - how many times have we seen that, most recently today in Richmond Ba

Itís a rampant epidemic, the graph posted here by adhill58 shows that
So, more extreme/exacting measures such as the one outlined by BigV, canít be dismissed



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. . .the insulting 12:48 pm reply


Nevermind. Man - it is called 'wit'. Poor wit maybe I will grant, but a sight better than none at all.

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 03:24 PM
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It makes a whole lot more sense than the insulting 12:48 pm reply


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So, more extreme/exacting measures such as the one outlined by BigV, canít be dismissed


They cannot be dismissed? You've got to be kidding me. His idea for the first and second offense would only apply to a portion of people who own homes or cars......and y'all are making fun of liberals for bad ideas?

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Build facilities that incarcerate those who defy this a 3rd time


Facilities that incarcerate.....those thingies are called prisons, and people already go there for a third repeated offense of illegal possession of a firearm. Thank GOD you two aren't in charge of anything.

And what kind of person believes that a mass shooter who is ready for death and life in prison, would be deterred by losing their car or home that they don't even have??? Not to mention, we've seen a focus in this thread about inner-city gang violence who obtain firearms on the black market - what do you suppose these folks would do if a judge tells them they are going to take their car away, and next time their home. They would laugh hysterically.




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It is time to start protecting the law abiding citizen


Another example of how you are similar to liberals! I think you are a lot more liberal than you might think. A new paradigm, protecting the citizens first....now you're talkin!

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and beating the you know what out of those who CHOOSE to circumvent the system.


Do us all a favor, and be the first in line to the South side of Chicago and Baltimore to do this, and please videotape your success. Or, if you were referring to having the cops do your dirty work for you, then you don't understand America and belong somewhere else, because our Constitution rejects that 100%.

 

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maybe we all agree that we need a new paradigm, but nobody has any good ideas apparently?

we should start by respecting the firearm a little more. a clean record.....that's it? if this is the only requirement for adults, then we're allowing millions of dangerous scum with intent to harm others legally purchase a firearm. it simply shouldn't happen. we are better than this. y'all are telling me that we can't come up with an agreed upon screening process to get a license to purchase? the most likely reason to oppose this is a fear of failing it yourself.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 04:51 PM
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Still didn't answer my question since you again skirt the subject and misread what was written.

1) Did you read the post?
2) Did you watch the video?
3) Did you take the test?

Simple questions. A yes or no would be sufficient.


Yes, I read your post. I watched as much of the video as I could stomach, and I went to the website. Do you have a point?


Then you agree that people who don't know about, or take time to learn about items they are trying to make legislation on should not be allowed to vote on that legislation?

Do you also agree that trying to pass the same laws over and over again, or try to make a platform on passing laws that are already on the books makes no sense?

Are you starting to get the point? Would you trust those in the video to make your health plan legislation if they show the same amount of knowledge on the subject as they do firearms?

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 06:33 PM
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unfortunately, politics, not common sense, will always drive gun control debate, rendering it unsolvable - how many times have we seen that, most recently today in Richmond Ba [sic]

Oh are you referring to all of the white people walking around the former Capital of the Confederacy with sniper rifles on the day we celebrate MLK, Jr, a black leader who was killed by a racist with a sniper rifle? Yeah, I agree, they are not helping solve anything.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 06:45 PM
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Then you agree that people who don't know about, or take time to learn about items they are trying to make legislation on should not be allowed to vote on that legislation?

Do you also agree that trying to pass the same laws over and over again, or try to make a platform on passing laws that are already on the books makes no sense?

Are you starting to get the point? Would you trust those in the video to make your health plan legislation if they show the same amount of knowledge on the subject as they do firearms?


Ever see those montage videos that Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert would play, of a bunch of edited snippets from Republicans at various events and discussions, and edit it together to make Republicans look stupid? You are falling for one of those videos. Jerry, Twitter videos are not intended to be sources of honest educational material. I think it's silly to give them any time of day, let alone try to use it as evidence of something. And I don't really respect civilian spectators who act as if they know better than professionals - if you have experience running a municpality on any level, I'll listen to your critcisms of career politicians who have law degrees and experience.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 08:10 PM
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and beating the you know what out of those who CHOOSE to circumvent the system.


Do us all a favor, and be the first in line to the South side of Chicago and Baltimore to do this, and please videotape your success. Or, if you were referring to having the cops do your dirty work for you, then you don't understand America and belong somewhere else, because our Constitution rejects that 100%.


I was referring to any "Beating" that is to take place being in the criminal justice system, as in a Court of Law.

Why the reference to the South side of Chicago and Baltimore?

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 08:19 PM
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Build new facilities and revoke unrelated rights? Sounds downright fascist, not to mention incredibly expensive - prisons and legal proceedings cost the public far more than a background check.


Thanks for making my point. "More background checks"...please. How have "more background checks" done with limiting shootings since their inception?...The Liberal/Democrat answer for everything....More laws. It's obvious that the current means for "stopping" the horrific incidents is not working and yes, "new facilities" exclusively for people who continue to break laws pertaining to the illegal purchasing and possession of guns obtained on the black market. Hem and haw all you want, laugh even louder, but undeniably, weapons purchased / obtained illegally are and will continue be the back breaker in this issue, stop that and the war is that much closer to being won.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 08:29 PM
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Sounds EXACTLY like something some dumberthanaboxofrocks Liberal new world order globalist socialist more laws more govt LOSER would propose as a plank in a doomed platform.


Which post are you replying to?

 

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Then you agree that people who don't know about, or take time to learn about items they are trying to make legislation on should not be allowed to vote on that legislation?

Do you also agree that trying to pass the same laws over and over again, or try to make a platform on passing laws that are already on the books makes no sense?

Are you starting to get the point? Would you trust those in the video to make your health plan legislation if they show the same amount of knowledge on the subject as they do firearms?


Ever see those montage videos that Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert would play, of a bunch of edited snippets from Republicans at various events and discussions, and edit it together to make Republicans look stupid? You are falling for one of those videos. Jerry, Twitter videos are not intended to be sources of honest educational material. I think it's silly to give them any time of day, let alone try to use it as evidence of something. And I don't really respect civilian spectators who act as if they know better than professionals - if you have experience running a municpality on any level, I'll listen to your critcisms of career politicians who have law degrees and experience.


Are you saying that the video is false, that the democrat lawmakers did not say what they said, and did not act like idiots in front of news cameras?
Bloomberg stating that a semi-automatic rifle fires all the cartridges at one pull of the trigger during an interview by ABC News, that "this rifle has a 30 caliber clip magazine that fires 30 bullets in half a second" as said by Senator Kevin Leon in front of news cameras from several different networks, Feinstein saying "yes, it's legal to hunt humans" in front of the Judiciary committee, and you declare this is a joke video?


I don't have to have experience running a municipality, or even a small village to see what doesn't work. Just like you don't have to have a degree in computer science to know your computer isn't working.
If it doesn't work in several cities, what makes you think it would work nationally?

Again, do you agree that people who do not take the time to learn what an item is and how it works should not be allowed to form legislation about that item?

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 09:22 PM
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unfortunately, politics, not common sense, will always drive gun control debate, rendering it unsolvable - how many times have we seen that, most recently today in Richmond Ba [sic]

Oh are you referring to all of the white people walking around the former Capital of the Confederacy with sniper rifles on the day we celebrate MLK, Jr, a black leader who was killed by a racist with a sniper rifle? Yeah, I agree, they are not helping solve anything.


What about all the black people at the Lobby Day annual event? You do remember this is held yearly?
https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/black-gun-rights-activist-virginia- rally

Click on the video and see what a black man has to say.

If the video Old Town Road is still on after it, watch.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 09:53 PM
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Are you saying that the video is false, that the democrat lawmakers did not say what they said, and did not act like idiots in front of news cameras?


Think whatever you want about those folks, I'm not trying to get you to change your mind. In Bowling for Columbine, Michael Moore uses a snippet from a Charleton Heston interview, and takes it out of context to make him look really really bad. Did Charleton Heston say those words? Well yes. Did Michael Moore take it out of context to further his agenda? Of course. What would you think of a liberal using a Michael Moore movie as their proof and evidence to back some point? Well, you are doing the exact same thing. I don't want you to change your mind on gun control - I want you to show me intelligent evidence or logic to back your position. So far, you've never done that.

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I don't have to have experience running a municipality, or even a small village to see what doesn't work. Just like you don't have to have a degree in computer science to know your computer isn't working.


I don't want to play any straw argument games - I never said anything about acknowledging that our gun laws aren't perfect - I was referring to your arrogant assumption that you know better than people with law degrees and experience running complex organizations, and managing enormous budgets of taxpayer dollars. Observing cracks from afar means absolutely nothing and takes zero skill. It's just complaining, which any kid can do.

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If it doesn't work in several cities, what makes you think it would work nationally?


If what doesn't work in several cities? If you are referring to the Twitter video, don't bother explaining.




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  posted on 1/20/2020 at 10:19 PM
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The Liberal/Democrat answer for everything....More laws.


Wait a sec, you were just calling for more laws with that house seizure and incarceration facility thing.

 

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Are you saying that the video is false, that the democrat lawmakers did not say what they said, and did not act like idiots in front of news cameras?


Think whatever you want about those folks, I'm not trying to get you to change your mind. In Bowling for Columbine, Michael Moore uses a snippet from a Charleton Heston interview, and takes it out of context to make him look really really bad. Did Charleton Heston say those words? Well yes. Did Michael Moore take it out of context to further his agenda? Of course. What would you think of a liberal using a Michael Moore movie as their proof and evidence to back some point? Well, you are doing the exact same thing. I don't want you to change your mind on gun control - I want you to show me intelligent evidence or logic to back your position. So far, you've never done that.
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Are you saying that NBC, ABC, CSpan,CBS and other news outlets took their words, as they said them, out of context as did Michael Moore did in Bowling For Columbine?
These are snippets of what they said, as they said them, and is available on the respected websites if you want to look them up.
I can't believe that you just agreed that Michael Moore makes propaganda rather than movies by using out of context video and editing.
And yes, I've shown you plenty of evidence, and you just make snide remarks about it since it doesn't fit your narrative.
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I don't have to have experience running a municipality, or even a small village to see what doesn't work. Just like you don't have to have a degree in computer science to know your computer isn't working.


I don't want to play any straw argument games - I never said anything about acknowledging that our gun laws aren't perfect - I was referring to your arrogant assumption that you know better than people with law degrees and experience running complex organizations, and managing enormous budgets of taxpayer dollars. Observing cracks from afar means absolutely nothing and takes zero skill. It's just complaining, which any kid can do.
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I'm glad that you acknowledge that our gun laws are not perfect. I totally agree. Any gun law that restricts access to firearms by law abiding citizens should be changed. There are many gun laws that are needed, and are pretty much already on the books. Those who have been found guilty of domestic violence are already restricted from owning firearms (problem is that those who have been charged with one and found innocent still cannot purchase firearms Question 11h and 11i on Form 4473), those found to be legally insane do not have the right to purchase firearms, those with criminal records cannot own firearms, minors cannot legally own a firearm, aliens (except under specific rules) cannot own or possess a firearm, if you have an excessive amount of traffic tickets you pretty much won't pass the background check.
Laws we don't need are those that are passed to show "see, we did something about those scary guns" kneejerk type law.
Laws that restrict the law abiding citizen from purchasing any type of firearm they want, or how many, or how much ammo they think they need.
Laws that allow celebrities (some that aren't even citizens), politicians, the wealthy, and select few to have licenses to own and carry a firearm while those who aren't of the select few, even if they pass the extra background check, aren't allowed the permits.
Laws that disarm those in areas of economic depression, high violence, and robbery need to be gotten rid of.
Laws that disarm the general population and have only the police and the select few allowed to protect themselves.
Pretty much any law that restricts the Constitutional rights of any citizen that can pass the background check as described in Federal Law should be struck down.
Wait a minute, what about Heller V DC? Didn't that actually strike down most of those laws?
HHHHMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!

OH yeah, and we need to quit voting in laws that are already in effect.


Let's talk about that "zero skill" for a moment.
How much skill does it take to see that a city continues to have problems with violence, poverty, poor education, anger issues from citizens about how their city is run, infrastructure not being taken care of, areas of town that police arrive only en mass, areas where ambulances and fire trucks will not go without police protection, parts of the town where whole neighborhoods close down when it gets dark, places where that even when the city has some of the strictest gun laws, people get shot and killed at record paces?
Then ask yourself, when has Jerry been talking about that?
I haven't. Your mind has gotten you confused about where you have tried to change the nature of the threads to fit your narrative.

I have been talking about gun laws that keep firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens. The ones that you don't want to have access to firearms.

You and I have not in my recollection ever posted back and forth about what is in the first paragraph.
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Noticing that, wouldn't you say that the policies of the administration isn't working?

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If it doesn't work in several cities, what makes you think it would work nationally?

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On the firearms laws, yes, I would say that the policies of the administration isn't working, and why anyone would think those policies would work on a national scale is just ridiculous, reckless, and down right dangerous to other citizens. The firearm laws that aren't working should be repealed and the rights of the citizens should be restored in owning firearms. In fact, they never should have been restricted.
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If what doesn't work in several cities? If you are referring to the Twitter video, don't bother explaining.
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It doesn't need explaining to people who actually watch the video and ask the question "Are these the people who we want to form legislation on something they have no knowledge on?" Which was the original question, as you know.

Don't keep such a closed mind about how you don't want anyone to own a firearm. If you don't want one, that's fine, don't own one.
Don't keep trying to stop anyone from owning one.




 

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Does a homemade blunderbuss need to be registered?
 

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unfortunately, politics, not common sense, will always drive gun control debate, rendering it unsolvable - how many times have we seen that, most recently today in Richmond Ba [sic]

Oh are you referring to all of the white people walking around the former Capital of the Confederacy with sniper rifles on the day we celebrate MLK, Jr, a black leader who was killed by a racist with a sniper rifle? Yeah, I agree, they are not helping solve anything.


What about all the black people at the Lobby Day annual event? You do remember this is held yearly?
https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/black-gun-rights-activist-virginia- rally

Click on the video and see what a black man has to say.

If the video Old Town Road is still on after it, watch.

The blog doesn't refute anything I wrote, manages to get its bias across pretty thick. Glad the militia cosplayers carried out their rally peacefully this time.

 

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Don't keep such a closed mind about how you don't want anyone to own a firearm. If you don't want one, that's fine, don't own one.
Don't keep trying to stop anyone from owning one.


This is beyond stupid, and all emotion, like a kid.

 

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I can't believe that you just agreed that Michael Moore makes propaganda rather than movies by using out of context video and editing.


Youíll find that many of my posts are about my opposition to dishonest propaganda and the people who push such garbage. Michael Moore, CNN, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, all part of the same sleazy game that hurts Americans. I think you sometimes get swayed by these people using bogus out of context fear tactics. ďI donít want anyone to own a firearmĒ? You ask me for my opinion and then reduce it to tabloid fodder? Stop wasting my time.

 

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The Liberal/Democrat answer for everything....More laws.

Wait a sec, you were just calling for more laws with that house seizure and incarceration facility thing.

Yeah, I suggested expanding/enforcing an existing bipartisan law (which has denied over 1 million potential purchasers), and somehow that's "more laws" than a redundant, Kafka-esque gun enforcement facility with additional statutes. It's what happens when someone only reads the parts they want.

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Don't keep trying to stop anyone from owning one.

No one is. If you believe this, you're part of the problem. Liberals own guns, too.

 

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Oh are you referring to all of the white people walking around the former Capital of the Confederacy with sniper rifles on the day we celebrate MLK, Jr, a black leader who was killed by a racist with a sniper rifle? Yeah, I agree, they are not helping solve anything.


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What about all the black people at the Lobby Day annual event? You do remember this is held yearly?
https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/black-gun-rights-activist-virginia- rally

Click on the video and see what a black man has to say.


Do you not understand the absurdity of expecting people to give credence to a illegitimate website, labeled as an opinion piece? Dude, Iím trying to help you - read up on journalism and how to identify journalistic integrity. Itís no wonder youíre mixed up. Lastly, that article showed ONE black person, LOL, and you wrote ď....all the black peopleĒ. Iím not mocking your position - Iím mocking your choice of evidence.

 
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