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  posted on 11/17/2019 at 09:32 PM
Clearly the only solution is to require all school children to be armed as is their right under the second amendment.

 

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I'll never understand why some people get so defensive whenever we acknowledge the gun part of this issue.


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Because they believe that all you want is to take all the guns away, and there is no middle ground.


What was that statement by "Beto" the former Candidate for President of the United States?




Your commitment to asking the most ridiculous questions just to remain smug and obtuse at all times will never cease to amaze me.


You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I look forward to your future defense of the opaque "leadership" as conferred by the "geniuses" of the Democratic Party.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 06:48 AM
There was a backyard cookout yesterday in Fresno Calif w/people watching football etc
Four shot dead at this BBQ - people showed up, starting shooting, fled - other circumstances unclear
These last two incidents may not be charted on the graph adhill58 provided as ‘mass shootings’ but they should be

nothing abstract or mysterious about it, this is a horrendous thing that is happening all the time

Jerry mentioned the Eddie the Eagle program that used to be offered in elementary schools

Something like that needs to be reintroduced into grade school in an effort to properly educate youngsters about guns - that yes, they’re toys now but as grownups they’re not toys anymore

Otherwise the scenario described in 2112’s most recent post, may not be so far fetched

David Ortiz was the victim of gun violence but has completely recovered, & happy birthday Big Papi - 44 today

[Edited on 11/18/2019 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 01:26 PM
So who exactly is the "Well regulated militia" can anyone point to those people?? "Well regulated" doesn't seem to be the way it is. Nor is there a militia. We have local, county, state, federal police, FBI, CIA, Army, Navy, USMC, Air Force, National Guard, Coast Guard did I leave out any of the "Well regulated militia".

I think the founders would have found those institutions to be the one covered in the 2A not a bunch of fat phucks who want to jerk off at the shooting range with military grade weapons until they become another of the "law abiding citizen" that suddenly have "mental health" issues or their kids find the weapon and has a "temper tantrum"

Is Joe Blow AR15 gun owner that sits at the end of the bar that spouts nonsense a part of the "Well regulated militia"?

I doubt the founder fathers would have thought so

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 01:45 PM
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I'll never understand why some people get so defensive whenever we acknowledge the gun part of this issue.

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Because they believe that all you want is to take all the guns away, and there is no middle ground.

What was that statement by "Beto" the former Candidate for President of the United States?

Your commitment to asking the most ridiculous questions just to remain smug and obtuse at all times will never cease to amaze me.


But BIGV proves the very point since he ask rhetorically, thereby implying the extreme sound bite ("hell yes"), but ignores the actual content of Beto's statement ("taking AR-15s, your AK47s"). It was relatively middle ground, but for some reason some people insist on the NRA line that some guns=all guns. If only the Lawn Dart lobby was so strong.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 01:50 PM
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. . .fat phucks who want to jerk off at the shooting range with military grade weapons until they become another of the "law abiding citizen" that suddenly have "mental health" issues. . .


HahahaHAHAA!!! Same magaJabbas who are gonna have a civil war, if they can manage to ooze out of their La-Z Boys.



[Edited on 11/18/2019 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 02:16 PM
3 DEAD IN SHOOTOUT AT WALMART PARKING LOT IN OKLA
No more reminders necessary, will stop

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 02:23 PM

Keep em comin St. Stephen - looking like it is every day now.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 03:24 PM
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. . .nothing will change.


If everyone were to arm themselves at all times everything will change. We will live in a ballistic dystopia we can't even conceive of - total military alert, total surveillance, the measure of weapons and personnel in law enforcement will increase in direct proportion to the number of armed citizens carrying.

The only winner in all this is the firearm industry - every massacre increases sales, every sale increases massacres - they are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 03:47 PM
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If everyone were to arm themselves at all times everything will change.


SOMEthing has to change - WHAT that change is, is the blank area - don’t forget, 22 people were shot dead at a Walmart in El Paso in August
All these scenarios of a fully armed citizenry could happen - you certainly can’t take all the guns away

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 04:17 PM
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So who exactly is the "Well regulated militia" can anyone point to those people?? "Well regulated" doesn't seem to be the way it is. Nor is there a militia. We have local, county, state, federal police, FBI, CIA, Army, Navy, USMC, Air Force, National Guard, Coast Guard did I leave out any of the "Well regulated militia".

I think the founders would have found those institutions to be the one covered in the 2A not a bunch of fat phucks who want to jerk off at the shooting range with military grade weapons until they become another of the "law abiding citizen" that suddenly have "mental health" issues or their kids find the weapon and has a "temper tantrum"

Is Joe Blow AR15 gun owner that sits at the end of the bar that spouts nonsense a part of the "Well regulated militia"?

I doubt the founder fathers would have thought so



The "well regulated militia" is not who the founding fathers addressed in the 2nd Amendment.

Here's the 2nd Amendment in full:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. (Caps so you know where the break is.)

It doesn't say the right of the militia, it states the right of the people, you know the same the people as in the first line of the Constitution, and the only line that was in capitol letters throughout the Constitution.

Goldtop, your seemingly hatred for those who own firearms has been noted. I don't believe it to be an opinion, just somehow you don't like firearms and those who own them. I also find your descriptive phrases to be offensive.

In the days of the Founding Fathers almost everyone would have possessed a firearm, and carried on them.

There are militias out there, but you don't have to be a member of a militia to be part of the people.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 04:24 PM
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. . .nothing will change.


If everyone were to arm themselves at all times everything will change. We will live in a ballistic dystopia we can't even conceive of - total military alert, total surveillance, the measure of weapons and personnel in law enforcement will increase in direct proportion to the number of armed citizens carrying.

The only winner in all this is the firearm industry - every massacre increases sales, every sale increases massacres - they are laughing all the way to the bank.



I was having this same discussion with my boss the other day. I stated the point of view of the gun industry like this, "We have sold enough guns to create a problem to which the only solution is selling more guns."

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 04:31 PM
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Jerry mentioned the Eddie the Eagle program that used to be offered in elementary schools

Something like that needs to be reintroduced into grade school in an effort to properly educate youngsters about guns - that yes, they’re toys now but as grownups they’re not toys anymore
[Edited on 11/18/2019 by Stephen]


https://eddieeagle.nra.org/about/

It's a great program. Teaches kids what to do if they see a firearm. "STOP, Don't Touch, Run Away, Tell A grownup."

Problem is that so many "enlightened" parents see the dreaded letters NRA and don't want their kids having anything to do with it.

When my kids were little it wasn't available. I started teaching them firearm safety at about three years old. That's when their curiosity sometimes get the better of them and we've seen what sometimes happen when kids get curious about things, even deadly things.

So really, the earlier they learn firearm safety, the better.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 04:34 PM
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I'll never understand why some people get so defensive whenever we acknowledge the gun part of this issue.

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Because they believe that all you want is to take all the guns away, and there is no middle ground.

What was that statement by "Beto" the former Candidate for President of the United States?

Your commitment to asking the most ridiculous questions just to remain smug and obtuse at all times will never cease to amaze me.


But BIGV proves the very point since he ask rhetorically, thereby implying the extreme sound bite ("hell yes"), but ignores the actual content of Beto's statement ("taking AR-15s, your AK47s"). It was relatively middle ground, but for some reason some people insist on the NRA line that some guns=all guns. If only the Lawn Dart lobby was so strong.


You left out the part of forced confiscations.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 04:39 PM
Goldtop, your seemingly hatred for those who own firearms has been noted. I don't believe it to be an opinion, just somehow you don't like firearms and those who own them. I also find your descriptive phrases to be offensive.

In the days of the Founding Fathers almost everyone would have possessed a firearm, and carried on them.
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If you are not one of the "shootin' range" jackasses that Goldtop was referencing, there is no need to be offended. He has a point that a certain percentage (which calculates to millions) of gun-o-philes are stone cold losers. The power of a guns is obviously very attractive to people who cannot find success in normal social operating systems.

In the days of the Founding Fathers almost everyone crapped into a hole in their yard and thought it was sanitary. Times change... hopefully for the good of public health. By "public health", I mean not having bullet holes in your body at the grocery store.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 04:48 PM
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In the days of the Founding Fathers almost everyone would have possessed a firearm, and carried on them.



True, but what kind of firearms were they? Big difference between muzzleloading flintlock muskets and what is used to shoot up schools today.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 04:51 PM
I left this out of my earlier posts because I wanted it to stand alone, no modifiers, no protests, no arguing.

My heart lies heavy knowing the pain and suffering of the families involved in any shooting.
The victims ask "why us, him, or her"?
The killers' who ask "Why did he/she do it?
The friends and neighbors say "We didn't see it coming!"

There never is just one reason, but multiples. Could it be drugs, bullying, being left out of groups, frustration of forced to be a loner?
Many times we will never know what, why, or who set off the incident.

Right now there is nothing we can do for the ones left behind except empathy for them and support, until we come together, as a group of people, to find ways to handle the threats of these shootings.

 

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In the days of the Founding Fathers almost everyone crapped into a hole in their yard and thought it was sanitary.


And they wiped with corn cobs. They were made of stronger stuff.

 

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In the days of the Founding Fathers almost everyone would have possessed a firearm, and carried on them.



True, but what kind of firearms were they? Big difference between muzzleloading flintlock muskets and what is used to shoot up schools today.


2112, how did I know you would bring up that old line. You have obviously missed out on the lessons on historical firearms in previous threads.

Since you asked.

Cookson Rifle, a 9 shot repeating rifle (lever action) that was developed in the 1690's (that's 80 years before the Revolution) and one that the Continental Congress issued an order to John Cookson of Boston for 100 rifles to be used in the Revolutionary War. You can go to the NRA Museum and look at one of them on line.

There were the Loernzoni system pistols available for purchase, but they were made in small numbers.

How about actual revolvers. Stopler made, and sold, revolvers as early as 1597.

How about the Puckle Gun, commonly acknowledge as the earliest machine gun, used it the Revolution and first made in 1719.

Not to forget the Girindonii rifle, a 10 shot, revolving cylinder affair.
A Girandoni Rifle was magazine fed, fired 22 shots of .46 caliber lead balls in one minute, and, it was an air rifle.

The Ferguson Rifle wasn't multi shot, but it was one of the several breech loading firearms used by both sides.

The Kalthoff repeating musket, 16 shot.

In a letter to the Continental Congress, April 1777, Joseph Belton stated: "May it please your honors, I would just inform this honorable assembly, that I have discover'd an improvement, in the use of small armes, wherin a small arm, may be maid to discharge eight balls one after another, in eight, five, or three seconds of time."

He was speaking of the Belton Flintlock. The Continental Congress was interested, but decided the cost was too much for their budget.

So, YES, they knew of developments in firearms, knew of repeating rifles, knew of a type of firearm that later became the machine gun, knew of revolvers, multi shot rifles, and even air guns.

Need more examples, let me know.


 

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  posted on 11/18/2019 at 05:50 PM
I don't hate guns or gun owners I hate inaction based on words when people owned a musket that took 2 minutes to load and shoot compared to now when people think of guns as toys not weapons.

 

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Goldtop, your seemingly hatred for those who own firearms has been noted. I don't believe it to be an opinion, just somehow you don't like firearms and those who own them. I also find your descriptive phrases to be offensive.

In the days of the Founding Fathers almost everyone would have possessed a firearm, and carried on them.
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If you are not one of the "shootin' range" jackasses that Goldtop was referencing, there is no need to be offended. He has a point that a certain percentage (which calculates to millions) of gun-o-philes are stone cold losers. The power of a guns is obviously very attractive to people who cannot find success in normal social operating systems.

In the days of the Founding Fathers almost everyone crapped into a hole in their yard and thought it was sanitary. Times change... hopefully for the good of public health. By "public health", I mean not having bullet holes in your body at the grocery store.


His offensive post was that he made no distinction between any and included all.

 

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I don't hate guns or gun owners I hate inaction based on words when people owned a musket that took 2 minutes to load and shoot compared to now when people think of guns as toys not weapons.




Read post above yours.

 

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What show were you watching to cause that kind of reaction?

 

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In the days of the Founding Fathers almost everyone crapped into a hole in their yard and thought it was sanitary.


And they wiped with corn cobs. They were made of stronger stuff.


Only those who didn't live with those high falutin', rich city ways.

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