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  posted on 10/20/2019 at 02:43 PM
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  posted on 10/20/2019 at 03:14 PM
It's not the real Allman Brothers Band but one of the later lineups performing as the ABB.

It has Dickey Betts holding it so he must be getting a cut of the action.

And it has the names and signatures of the band. Apparently the outfit that pit this together thought the picture featured all those names and signatures but it doesn't. I just looked at it again and only Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe are in the pucture.

Some years ago I saw a live CD of the band live at The Warehouse but the picture was a 1982 pic of Gregg, Dickey, Butch, Chuck, Rook Goldflies and the Toler brothers standing in front of some trees. Below or on the back were Duane, Berry, Jaimoe, Gregg, Dickey and Butch's names.

If they can't run it by someone such as Jaimoe or Kirk West, then put it on this website and we will help them.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2019 at 03:27 PM


I'm thinking they had Dickey hold up a blank shirt & superimposed the image on it later.
I can't imagine him agreeing to do so otherwise.

I've seen other sites that do the same.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2019 at 03:30 PM
Looks like a photoshop to me. The black right arm sleeve doesn't seem to go with the shirt that Dickey is wearing. Probably shirt and hands photoshopped over a picture of Dickey.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2019 at 03:34 PM
Yup & also look at the right where his hair & hat meet the background.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2019 at 05:05 PM
Just noticed Butch signed "Peace". I have Gregg and Dickey's signatures on things I got them to sign over the years and Jaimoe too. Don't remember getting Butch. Gregg and Dickey's signatures look right. Not sure about Duane and Berry. I got Duane and Berry on my copy of Idlewild South in 1970 but that album disappeared years ago. Somebody that was actually in my house stole it apparently because Duane and Berry has signed it. It's been so long ago I can't remember Duane's signature. Isn't it on this site where he signed some contracts and a new years resolution?

 

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  posted on 10/20/2019 at 06:29 PM
Definitely a photo shop, no doubt in my mind.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2019 at 07:30 PM
Those adds pop up all the time on Facebook, different background, different face but always the same hands. They had Warren’s face for a Gov’t Mule shirt one time also. I doubt the musicians get a cut of anything, most sell their own swag.

 

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  posted on 10/21/2019 at 04:14 PM
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  posted on 10/21/2019 at 10:15 PM
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It's not the real Allman Brothers Band but one of the later lineups performing as the ABB.


Why do you always feel a need to disparage the most recent lineup as "not real" and "performing as"? I don't understand why you do it all the time.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 08:21 AM
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Just noticed Butch signed "Peace". I have Gregg and Dickey's signatures on things I got them to sign over the years and Jaimoe too. Don't remember getting Butch. Gregg and Dickey's signatures look right. Not sure about Duane and Berry. I got Duane and Berry on my copy of Idlewild South in 1970 but that album disappeared years ago. Somebody that was actually in my house stole it apparently because Duane and Berry has signed it. It's been so long ago I can't remember Duane's signature. Isn't it on this site where he signed some contracts and a new years resolution?


On the shirt, the Duane "signature" appears to be "Paul G. [Illegible]". That is an odd way to start the autograph of someone whose name was Howard Duane Allman.

Look at his signature on this website: https://duaneallman.com/

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 10:21 AM
Skydog 32103. I have a lot of respect for later lineups. I saw them all and saw some hot shows. I remember the Chuck/Lamar lineup in summer of 1973 in Nashville on the Brothers and Sisters tour being especially hot. Several of the 1989-1992 shows from the Warren/Woody lineup were among the best shows of any band I've seen. The last lineup in Raleigh in 2007 had some incredible moments. Jack, Otiel lineup in Raleigh in 1997 was another hot show and Derej, Dickey, Otiel in 1999 in Las Vegas was smoking. The 2009 Beacon show was real fine.

I saw the so called Real Allman Brothers a dozen times beginning in early 1970 and there was an energy, vibe and swagger that was floating off Duane Allman that left in Oct 1971 and never returned. The band was never a good and for old fans never the same. I and old fans of Skynyrd feel the same post Ronnie Van Zant and the Dead after Jerry split.

Jaimoe just a couple a years ago talk about how there was an energy and vibe from Duane that left and he never felt again. Jaimoe said the music was so spiritual and special when Duane (and surprisingly he said Barry rather than Berry) that his spirit left his body at times. Jaimoe said the only other time that ever happened with a band was when he was in the audience for a Mahavishnu Orchestra.

I am big fans of Warren and Derek. And both are huge Duane Allman fans and Duane was Derek's main influence when Derek was young.

I have all the new albums from the band including their poorest selling release Peakin' At The Beacon and Hittin' The Note, their last studio effort which has some good cuts. Firing Line is a favorite.

But if you were to introduce someone who had never heard the band before what would you play first. Live At Fillmore East or One Way Out from the last lineup which was the bands last new release?

I don't hear anything on One Way Out as good as it is that beats Statesboro Blues, Done Someone Wrong, You Dont Love Me, Liz Reed, Whipping Post on Fillmore East and from Eat A Peach the live One Way Out and Trouble No More.

One of the best songs I listen to from the last lineup is All Along The Watchtower. Warren sings and how they arranged it was very refreshing, clever and exhibits excellent musicianship. I play that off YouTube often and really enjoy it. It's way different than anything the original band did and it's good. But......

Do you not agree the original lineup was the high water mark for the Allman Brothers? Have you heard a version of Liz Reed that tops the one on Fillmore East??

If you were to play Free Bird to someone who never listened to Skynyrd would you play the original with Ronnie or one by the current lineup?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 10:47 AM
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It's not the real Allman Brothers Band but one of the later lineups performing as the ABB.


Why do you always feel a need to disparage the most recent lineup as "not real" and "performing as"? I don't understand why you do it all the time.


You took the words right out of my mouth, Skydog

I always appreciate the views and insights of the true veteran fans here like blackey. That said when it starts to come across as condescending and righteous that’s where I too become baffled.


 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 10:56 AM
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Skydog 32103. I have a lot of respect for later lineups. I saw them all and saw some hot shows. I remember the Chuck/Lamar lineup in summer of 1973 in Nashville on the Brothers and Sisters tour being especially hot. Several of the 1989-1992 shows from the Warren/Woody lineup were among the best shows of any band I've seen. The last lineup in Raleigh in 2007 had some incredible moments. Jack, Otiel lineup in Raleigh in 1997 was another hot show and Derej, Dickey, Otiel in 1999 in Las Vegas was smoking. The 2009 Beacon show was real fine.

I saw the so called Real Allman Brothers a dozen times beginning in early 1970 and there was an energy, vibe and swagger that was floating off Duane Allman that left in Oct 1971 and never returned. The band was never a good and for old fans never the same. I and old fans of Skynyrd feel the same post Ronnie Van Zant and the Dead after Jerry split.

Jaimoe just a couple a years ago talk about how there was an energy and vibe from Duane that left and he never felt again. Jaimoe said the music was so spiritual and special when Duane (and surprisingly he said Barry rather than Berry) that his spirit left his body at times. Jaimoe said the only other time that ever happened with a band was when he was in the audience for a Mahavishnu Orchestra.

I am big fans of Warren and Derek. And both are huge Duane Allman fans and Duane was Derek's main influence when Derek was young.

I have all the new albums from the band including their poorest selling release Peakin' At The Beacon and Hittin' The Note, their last studio effort which has some good cuts. Firing Line is a favorite.

But if you were to introduce someone who had never heard the band before what would you play first. Live At Fillmore East or One Way Out from the last lineup which was the bands last new release?

I don't hear anything on One Way Out as good as it is that beats Statesboro Blues, Done Someone Wrong, You Dont Love Me, Liz Reed, Whipping Post on Fillmore East and from Eat A Peach the live One Way Out and Trouble No More.

One of the best songs I listen to from the last lineup is All Along The Watchtower. Warren sings and how they arranged it was very refreshing, clever and exhibits excellent musicianship. I play that off YouTube often and really enjoy it. It's way different than anything the original band did and it's good. But......

Do you not agree the original lineup was the high water mark for the Allman Brothers? Have you heard a version of Liz Reed that tops the one on Fillmore East??

If you were to play Free Bird to someone who never listened to Skynyrd would you play the original with Ronnie or one by the current lineup?


I’m sure we all agree that the original lineup was the best one, but that doesn’t explain why you feel a need to put down other lineups. Secondly, what you are saying is flat out wrong. Just because you prefer the original lineup, doesn’t mean the most recent lineup wasn’t still The Allman Brothers Band - facts are facts. There’s no need to insult them by saying they are “not real”, just to prop up the original. Speak highly of the originals and leave it at that - it’s what Duane would probably want you to do.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 11:35 AM
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I’m sure we all agree that the original lineup was the best one,


My favorite sound was Eat a Peach Brothers and Sisters years - those long rambling Dicky Betts epic jams, shepherding the sound out of the minor pentatonic valley of doom and dread into the major pentatonic summer daze of happy times. Sunnier brighter sound - more lighthearted. The earliest stuff was full of angst. Power blues OD to rip your heart out. It was a relief when Dickey cut the pure blues dope with melodic phrasing.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 12:02 PM
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I’m sure we all agree that the original lineup was the best one, but that doesn’t explain why you feel a need to put down other lineups. Secondly, what you are saying is flat out wrong. Just because you prefer the original lineup, doesn’t mean the most recent lineup wasn’t still The Allman Brothers Band - facts are facts. There’s no need to insult them by saying they are “not real”, just to prop up the original. Speak highly of the originals and leave it at that - it’s what Duane would probably want you to do.


If McCartney and Ringo teamed up with Dhani Harrison and Sean Lennon and called themselves the Beatles....


...Would you buy it?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 12:27 PM
When I say "The Real Allman Brothers" I don't mean later lineups shouldn't use the ABB name. Well the one that came close was the 1981 lineup with Mike Lawler on keys and David Toler on drums instead of Jaimoe. I wondered if that line up should have used the Gregg Allman -Dickey Betts Band. It was such a way different sound and vibe than the original lineup much of the show.

I use the term "real" Allman Brothers for the original band like I use real Pepsi for Pepsi Cola made with real sugar or the 3 Stooges short when Curly is in it rather than Shemp.

To me it's the real deal. The original vibe, taste etc. It is not used to belittle later versions on anything.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 12:44 PM
If the Mick and Keef ditched Brian Jones and signed up Mick Taylor would you buy it? Then ditched Mick Taylor for Ron Wood you buy it?

If Spïnäl Täp lost Nigël would you buy it?

If the Dead lost Pigpen would you buy it?

If Ian ditched an entire army of great musicians would you buy Tull?

If Little Feat lost Lowell would you buy it?

If Skynyrd lost Ed King and got Gaines would you buy it? Then kept on as Skynyrd after the crash would you buy it?

If Sitting Bull gave Custer an Arrow® shirt at the Little Big Horn would you buy the 7th Cavalry?

I would, did, and do.

Only thing I'm not buying is all this "real band" stuff. Least of all the Beatles - they weren't even a band after 1964 they were a production company.





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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 01:23 PM
IMO it varies from band to band - Zep had the good sense to not use that name post-Bonzo, except for 1 or 2 one-off reunions w/his son
Never did buy anything by the post-Keith Who - those were 2 irreplaceable drummers & the Zep & Who we knew & loved could never be the same

I think this is where blackey is coming from in his posts - that the sound & vibe Duane & BO brought to the stage couldn’t be replaced - if so, I would agree - there was the 1st 4 records, & I’ve always thought B&S brought that era full circle in closing out a matchless legacy of music

I love the ABB - each era/lineup brought something new & different to the table that kept me as a fan throughout - Nobody Knows is my favorite studio thing they ever did - outside of Liz Reed I put Madness of the West w/any of their instrumentals - know I’m a minority of 1 on that tho

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 01:35 PM
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I use the term "real" Allman Brothers for the original band like I use real Pepsi for Pepsi Cola made with real sugar or the 3 Stooges short when Curly is in it rather than Shemp.To me it's the real deal. The original vibe, taste etc.


Then you are using the word incorrectly because “real” doesn’t mean “original”.

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This is where I find you to be a bit disingenuous. I think you absolutely intend to belittle them.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 03:08 PM
Would it be wrong to buy this shirt just because it is so strange?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 03:24 PM
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I'm thinking they had Dickey hold up a blank shirt & superimposed the image on it later.
I can't imagine him agreeing to do so otherwise.


Cant imagine Betts agreeing to pose for a photo holding up a blank T shirt either. "Here ya go Mr. Betts, just hold this up for the picture." lol. Nah.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 03:53 PM
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If Skynyrd lost Ed King and got Gaines would you buy it? Then kept on as Skynyrd after the crash would you buy it?


Sure. 1 replacement? Sure. Bands morph and change and to support Blackey's thoughts on the ABB, I loved Fleetwood Mac....until Nicks and Buckingham completely changed the sound of the original band...So, to me, that was NOT Fleetwood Mac churning out "Nonsense" like "Rhiannon".....

Good examples all. My point is that it is totally subjective, "if it works for you"...The Beatles are a perfect example "Who played and wrote the songs"?...The example I gave with them is NO different than those who choose to support ANY "Band" with 50% or less of its original members.

How many band personnel changes does it take before it matters? Foghat is still out there, is that Foghat? There is a group of players out there masquerading as Lynyrd Skynyrd.... The "Who" is currently 2 of 4, the Brothers were 3 of 6 and so on. What does your wallet say?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 04:35 PM
Way I see it, if the material is solid enough it doesn't require the original composer to keep it alive - a band could change completely, pass the torch on - like a school, style, a dojo. I see the Dead still performing a century from now, and possibly some form of the ABB, the music will demand it, has a life and will of its own. Same goes for Yes and other groups as well.
 

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  posted on 10/22/2019 at 04:47 PM
In my opinion along as Gregg was in the band it still could be called the ABB...

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