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Author: Subject: Which is a more urgent problem?, Building the border wall, Or addressing climate change.

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  posted on 9/6/2019 at 10:21 PM
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  posted on 9/7/2019 at 10:07 AM
Climate change is going to force a lot more desperate migration than any walls are going to prevent. I hope Canada hasn't built a wall by the time it is too hot to grow food in Minnesota.
 

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  posted on 9/7/2019 at 10:21 AM
Is it getting hotter?
Is it caused by man?
Can we do anything about it anyway?
Can people set aside political hatred to do anything about it?
With the sharp rise in military heat injuries and deaths, is it a national security issue?

Are we getting invaded by illegals on the Southern Border?
Are they consuming resources we can’t spare?
Are they taking jobs away from Americans?
Are they committing crimes at a disproportionate rate to the number of crimes citizens commit?
Is the Democratic Party looking to replace the white majority?

Hmmmmmm. Complicated topic!

 

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  posted on 9/7/2019 at 10:31 AM
If you ask the apprentice in the White House who is taking 3.6 billion away in military project spending to prove a political point, he'd say the wall. Yet - who's going to pay for the wall...MEXICO. That played out just as he promised. Our military could have no better friend than Trump.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/757463817/these-are-the-11-border-projects-g etting-funds-intended-for-military-constructio

 

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  posted on 9/7/2019 at 03:15 PM
With severe weather events happening as regularly as mass shootings, a lot of people are accepting this as " the norm". And that is troubling to me.
 

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  posted on 9/16/2019 at 02:41 PM
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If you ask the apprentice in the White House who is taking 3.6 billion away in military project spending to prove a political point, he'd say the wall. Yet - who's going to pay for the wall...MEXICO. That played out just as he promised. Our military could have no better friend than Trump.

The military budget is enormous. Setting aside a relatively small amount to protect the southern border is a good idea.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2019 at 12:48 PM
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If you ask the apprentice in the White House who is taking 3.6 billion away in military project spending to prove a political point, he'd say the wall. Yet - who's going to pay for the wall...MEXICO. That played out just as he promised. Our military could have no better friend than Trump.

The military budget is enormous. Setting aside a relatively small amount to protect the southern border is a good idea.


Having Trump follow through with his repeated campaign go to line of having Mexico pay for the wall would be an even better idea. Shutting down the government over ego driven politics of funding a wall - another bad idea. Raiding the military funds when all else has failed = despearation to appeal to a base of voters for political points.

The military projects raided for funds also adversly impacts the economies locally across many states where projects are now no longer being pursued. Several deliapidated and overpopulated schools for kids on bases have lost their funding including in Mitch McConnell's state of Kentucky.

 

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  posted on 9/18/2019 at 09:07 PM
Climate change is a hoax, so the answer is easy: build the wall.

If you believe the climate change myth, you have to also accept that no matter what degree of radical change we apply in this country, it will be meaningless in the global scope. China and India continue to build and will open 100's of coal-fired power plants that will drive CO2 way beyond any reduction we're able to achieve. Climate change is about political and economic power - nothing more.

If we were really serious about climate change we wouldn't have our collective heads buried in the sand over nuclear power. Even what we can build today with fission reactors is the only technology possible that can provide sufficient power, reduce CO2, and do both at economically feasible levels. If the political clowns pledging insane schemes to eliminate fossil fuels had a clue, they would championing a huge investment in fusion. Whomever eventually cracks that nut (and we're getting closer) will own the future and provide humanity with endless clean energy.

At least be open to critical views on climate change, because its filled with hype. This guy does a good job of cutting through it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCKTkwtQyk

 

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  posted on 9/18/2019 at 09:44 PM
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Climate change is a hoax, so the answer is easy: build the wall.

If you believe the climate change myth, you have to also accept that no matter what degree of radical change we apply in this country, it will be meaningless in the global scope. China and India continue to build and will open 100's of coal-fired power plants that will drive CO2 way beyond any reduction we're able to achieve. Climate change is about political and economic power - nothing more.

If we were really serious about climate change we wouldn't have our collective heads buried in the sand over nuclear power. Even what we can build today with fission reactors is the only technology possible that can provide sufficient power, reduce CO2, and do both at economically feasible levels. If the political clowns pledging insane schemes to eliminate fossil fuels had a clue, they would championing a huge investment in fusion. Whomever eventually cracks that nut (and we're getting closer) will own the future and provide humanity with endless clean energy.

At least be open to critical views on climate change, because its filled with hype. This guy does a good job of cutting through it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCKTkwtQyk
Only a moron would cite this hack, for climate facts/ science come on!.

 

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  posted on 9/18/2019 at 10:13 PM
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Climate change is a hoax, so the answer is easy: build the wall.

If you believe the climate change myth, you have to also accept that no matter what degree of radical change we apply in this country, it will be meaningless in the global scope. China and India continue to build and will open 100's of coal-fired power plants that will drive CO2 way beyond any reduction we're able to achieve. Climate change is about political and economic power - nothing more.

If we were really serious about climate change we wouldn't have our collective heads buried in the sand over nuclear power. Even what we can build today with fission reactors is the only technology possible that can provide sufficient power, reduce CO2, and do both at economically feasible levels. If the political clowns pledging insane schemes to eliminate fossil fuels had a clue, they would championing a huge investment in fusion. Whomever eventually cracks that nut (and we're getting closer) will own the future and provide humanity with endless clean energy.

At least be open to critical views on climate change, because its filled with hype. This guy does a good job of cutting through it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCKTkwtQyk
Only a moron would cite this hack, for climate facts/ science come on!.
Enjoy praying at the altar of Al Gore, who hasn't had a single thing he's predicted come true in decades, while ignoring simple facts like actual temperature trends. But religions do that to people......

 

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  posted on 9/18/2019 at 10:36 PM
Climate changes. Everything changes. All the time. Change is the only constant.

Other than that, Fuji is dead on, we have an entire planet just firing up energy use to the levels of Europe and America. Without a clean energy solution capable of making big stuff go, China and India are going to smoke the Earth. Done deal.

 

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  posted on 9/18/2019 at 10:54 PM
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Climate change is a hoax, so the answer is easy: build the wall.

If you believe the climate change myth, you have to also accept that no matter what degree of radical change we apply in this country, it will be meaningless in the global scope. China and India continue to build and will open 100's of coal-fired power plants that will drive CO2 way beyond any reduction we're able to achieve. Climate change is about political and economic power - nothing more.

If we were really serious about climate change we wouldn't have our collective heads buried in the sand over nuclear power. Even what we can build today with fission reactors is the only technology possible that can provide sufficient power, reduce CO2, and do both at economically feasible levels. If the political clowns pledging insane schemes to eliminate fossil fuels had a clue, they would championing a huge investment in fusion. Whomever eventually cracks that nut (and we're getting closer) will own the future and provide humanity with endless clean energy.

At least be open to critical views on climate change, because its filled with hype. This guy does a good job of cutting through it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCKTkwtQyk
Only a moron would cite this hack, for climate facts/ science come on!.
Enjoy praying at the altar of Al Gore, who hasn't had a single thing he's predicted come true in decades, while ignoring simple facts like actual temperature trends. But religions do that to people......
Al Gore has nothing to do with it. You are a science denier, have fun with your head in the sand, maybe join the jehovahs witnesses, they agree with you.

 

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  posted on 9/18/2019 at 11:01 PM
Nice to see Fuji posting here again, even though he is usually wrong......
 

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  posted on 9/18/2019 at 11:40 PM
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Climate changes. Everything changes. All the time. Change is the only constant.

Other than that, Fuji is dead on, we have an entire planet just firing up energy use to the levels of Europe and America. Without a clean energy solution capable of making big stuff go, China and India are going to smoke the Earth. Done deal.


Yep, according to Congresswoman "Box of rocks" we have 12 years. Enjoy!

 

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Climate changes. Everything changes. All the time. Change is the only constant.

Other than that, Fuji is dead on, we have an entire planet just firing up energy use to the levels of Europe and America. Without a clean energy solution capable of making big stuff go, China and India are going to smoke the Earth. Done deal.


Yep, according to Congresswoman "Box of rocks" we have 12 years. Enjoy!
Another science denier!. Keep denigrating someone with more education and intellect than yourself.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2019 at 01:09 AM
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Climate changes. Everything changes. All the time. Change is the only constant.

Other than that, Fuji is dead on, we have an entire planet just firing up energy use to the levels of Europe and America. Without a clean energy solution capable of making big stuff go, China and India are going to smoke the Earth. Done deal.


Yep, according to Congresswoman "Box of rocks" we have 12 years. Enjoy!
Another science denier!. Keep denigrating someone with more education and intellect than yourself.


Since when is Education the sole definer of intellect? Did not the President Trump receive a Bachelor's Degree from an Ivy League school?

 

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  posted on 9/19/2019 at 01:59 AM
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. . .we have 12 years. Enjoy!


Close to what I had left anyway, give or take - and enjoy them I will, thank you!

 

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  posted on 9/19/2019 at 01:01 PM
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Climate changes. Everything changes. All the time. Change is the only constant.

Other than that, Fuji is dead on, we have an entire planet just firing up energy use to the levels of Europe and America. Without a clean energy solution capable of making big stuff go, China and India are going to smoke the Earth. Done deal.


Yep, according to Congresswoman "Box of rocks" we have 12 years. Enjoy!
Another science denier!. Keep denigrating someone with more education and intellect than yourself.


I guess you COULD call me a science denier also, except you would be wrong.
I deny the hype and forced "you will believe in this" that the global warming alarmists try to force down everyone's' throats.
I have the mind of a liberal, the conscious of a conservative, and the belief of being responsible for what I do.
I also have the ability to read charts, like the ones used by the IPCC to start the "GW" craze. I also know how to research a matter. Which led me to realize, using the same information used to get people "concerned" over the "Global Warming Crisis", that the Earth warms and cools over a 10,000 year cycle, and that we are now 2.5 degrees cooler than we were at the same stage in the last cycle.
I have also found data that was not used, or elaborated upon, to make the claims seem more valid.
Has the "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" honchos explained why the jakobshavn glacier in
Greenland has been "thickening, flowing more slowly, and growing toward the ocean"?
Did they explain that the reason it had been retreating was due to the shift in to the currents flowing around Greenland? Have they told you that some of the water temps around Greenland have gone down (got colder in other words) that they were 10 years ago?

https://www.sciencealert.com/one-greenland-glacier-is-growing-but-that-is-n ot-a-cause-for-celebration

All of this is science, which you will probably deny, but it is happening.
You continue to call people deniers, but it is YOU who is denying the simple fact that the Earth warms and cools in cycles, just as Greenland glaciers recede and extend due to cycles in currents that go in cycles of from
5 to 20 years.
That the globe warms is not a hoax, it's done it many times over millions of years. What is deceitful is the notion of "Carbon Credits" to slow down or stop it. The globe will warm and cool at it's own schedule and there is nothing mankind can do to stop it.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2019 at 04:55 PM
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Nice to see Fuji posting here again, even though he is usually wrong......
Hey Sang! Hope all's well with you!

Here's how I know I'm not wrong on this issue...

Elite climate change advocate and all-round supreme progressive being Barack Obama just paid $14 million for a beach front home in Martha's Vineyard, a few hundred feet from the ocean's edge. Anyone who has and continues to hammer the global warming/climate change message as much as he has WOULD NEVER invest millions in property that would be WORTHLESS if the climate change prophecies had a remote chance of coming true. Talk about mixed messages and poor optics!

Climate change - at least the kind discussed in the media and predicted by politicians and researchers - is not settled science. Temperature trends do not support it, and resulting predictions have been wrong for 100+ years. Its a guessing game, a dart toss, a fudge-factor filled computer model, and a fear-based way to get the rubes to agree to something that will give gov't and elites more power over them. The only true scientific observation that can be made is that the climate of the planet has been changing and will continue to for billions of years. Beyond that, we don't have a clue.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2019 at 05:54 PM
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Elite climate change advocate and all-round supreme progressive being Barack Obama just paid $14 million for a beach front home in Martha's Vineyard, a few hundred feet from the ocean's edge


Compelling case - exactly the kind of thing I notice as well. Then again, he could be surfing the recent great wave of American stupidity, looking at trendy ignorance, banking on flipping it for twice what he bought it for to Rush Limbaugh, or some other rich dumb conservative idiot who will buy it to prove a point.

You must live a controlled climate city indoor existence. I live and work rural and outdoors, and summer has obviously become longer and hotter since the 1980s. Monsoons are way less out west - not saying man caused or not, but to be unaware of the change just shows you are an indoor type. I noticed the changes before "Global Warming" became a buzzword. Never heard of Al Gore other than he was the @sswipe husband of that sanctimonious Tipper of music censorship infamy. Never bought Al's rap on climate either. He is an idiot.

I "don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."


[Edited on 9/19/2019 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 9/19/2019 at 06:14 PM
Climate change. If we keep having bad storms they will drown before they get to the border. Texas is getting 40 inches of rain over the last couple of storms. Though I read that Guatemala has an enterprising cocaine trade. Guns, gangs etc.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2019 at 08:34 PM
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You must live a controlled climate city indoor existence. I live and work rural and outdoors, and summer has obviously become longer and hotter since the 1980s. Monsoons are way less out west - not saying man caused or not, but to be unaware of the change just shows you are an indoor type. I noticed the changes before "Global Warming" became a buzzword. Never heard of Al Gore other than he was the @sswipe husband of that sanctimonious Tipper of music censorship infamy. Never bought Al's rap on climate either. He is an idiot.
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Brer i don't know who that was directed at, but I've never denied the globe was warming (I own and work a vineyard by myself). I've seen it warm up over the last 50 years. I've also never seen Fuji say the Earth isn't warming either.
We just don't believe the hype and hoopla from those that try to shove their "buy this to help cool the planet" to us.
I think of it like this, if you look at the same graphs, the same data, and the same reports that the IPCC has used, you see the smoking gun right in front of your face, much like somebody trying to give you change from a $50 bill using $5 bills with Lincolns' face on them. It just don't look right.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2019 at 07:35 AM
We had a stretch of hot weather the last couple weeks and without exception, the record highs that were in danger of being broken were from the 20's and 30's. Where were the Al Gores, AOCs, and Obamas to tell the people then how they needed to stop flying and eating beef to save the planet in 1927?

Climate changes. It is getting warmer as far as I (personally) can tell. We certainly do put more into the atmosphere than we did 100 years ago. I agree with Fuji - it's still not settled science.

The hype that the liberal talking heads and the media has the gullible masses lapping up is nothing but a grand wealth redistribution scheme. I don't appreciate a moron telling me what a moron I am.

 

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I expect the source to be blasted, but the complete lack of accuracy on the climate predictions is one of the core reasons I accuse the climate alarmists of promoting a hoax...

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Nolte: Climate ‘Experts’ Are 0-41 with Their Doomsday Predictions

For more than 50 years Climate Alarmists in the scientific community and environmental movement have not gotten even one prediction correct, but they do have a perfect record of getting 41 predictions wrong. In other words, on at least 41 occasions, these so-called experts have predicted some terrible environmental catastrophe was imminent … and it never happened.

And not once — not even once! — have these alarmists had one of their predictions come true.

Think about that… the so-called experts are 0-41 with their predictions, but those of us who are skeptical of “expert” prediction number 42, the one that says that if we don’t immediately convert to socialism and allow Alexandria Ocasio-Crazy to control and organize our lives, the planet will become uninhabitable.

Why would any sane person listen to someone with a 0-41 record?

Why would we completely restructure our economy and sacrifice our personal freedom for “experts” who are 0-41, who have never once gotten it right?

If you had an investment counselor who steered you wrong 41 times, would you hang in there for number 42?

Of course not. You’d fire him after failed prediction two or three.

And if that’s not crazy enough, the latest ploy is to trot out a 16-year-old girt to spread prediction number 42, because it is so much more credible that way.

Sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh.

Anyway, I want you to have the data, so go ahead and print this out in advance of Thanksgiving dinner with your obnoxious Millennial nephew.

LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT RIGHT

NONE.

ZIP.

ZERO.

NADA.

BLANK

DONUT HOLE

NIL.

NOTHING.

VOID.

ZILCH.

LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS THE CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT WRONG

Here is the source for numbers 1-27. As you will see, the individual sources are not crackpots, but scientific studies and media reports on “expert” predictions. The sources for numbers 28-41 are linked individually.

1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
1970: Ice Age By 2000
1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
1972: New Ice Age By 2070
1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
1974: Another Ice Age?
1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life
1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes
1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend
1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015
2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 90s
1980: Peak Oil In 2000
1996: Peak Oil in 2020
2002: Peak Oil in 2010
2006: Super Hurricanes!
2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
1970s: Killer Bees!

Sorry, Experts… Sorry, Scientific Consensus… Only a fool comes running for the 42nd cry of wolf.

Don’t litter, be kind to animals, recycling’s for suckers (it’s all going to end up in the ground eventually), so stop feeling guilty… Go out there and embrace all the bounty that comes with being a 21st century American — you know, like Obama, who says he believes in Global Warming with his mouth but proves he doesn’t with the $15 million he just spent on oceanfront that we’re told is doomed to flooding.

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/09/20/nolte-climate-experts-are- 0-41-with-their-doomsday-predictions/

 

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  posted on 9/21/2019 at 08:29 AM
https://youtu.be/7W33HRc1A6c

George Carlin on "Saving the Planet"

 
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