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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 01:47 PM
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then every murder in the United States could be attributed to mental health issues.


Absolutely not. Just the ones where the intent was to kill or maim as many innocent people as possible.


So all Terrorists are "mentally ill" and not responsible for their actions? Also, are you a Mental Health Specialist?

 

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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 06:44 PM
My grand kids now live in Idaho and we visited them there this weekend for one of the boys birthday. We didn't really explore the area much(South Eastern Idaho) and the people we meet were all nice. At the airport, in Idaho Falls, as we were waiting to board our plane. I spotted a white male with the iron cross tattooed to his elbow. Idaho is known for having the one largest number of Neo-Nazi's and white supremacists groups in the west. So when they moved there I was concerned about my grandsons being at some point coming across people like that.

I think anyone who displays a symbol like that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun period EOS. The kids in the picture choking AOC...all of them should not be allowed to own a gun and if they have one now it should be taken away from them. The kid who stood in front of the native American with his stupid **** eating grin should never have a weapon or any of the kids who have displayed the 3 finger white power symbol in their high school photos.

Any form of hate speech or symbols should be the low bar for preventing people from having a gun of any type.


If we should succeed in getting background check websites and social media sites should be asked for so they can be searched for hate speech.

Yes "anyone" who wants to buy a weapon should be put under a psychological evaluation...everyone!! plus safety and ethics classes about how the gun is tool and not an end all for being angry.

We should have on going buy back programs for those willing to give up weapons they don't need if they feel they want to give up a weapon.

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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 06:59 PM
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The kid who stood in front of the native American with his stupid **** eating grin should never have a weapon or any of the kids who have displayed the 3 finger white power symbol in their high school photos.


See the thread (Peach fest) where this point was brought up, I guess if it's someone you like, it doesn't matter

 

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The kid who stood in front of the native American with his stupid **** eating grin should never have a weapon or any of the kids who have displayed the 3 finger white power symbol in their high school photos.


See the thread (Peach fest) where this point was brought up, I guess if it's someone you like, it doesn't matter


If someone comes to buy a weapon and in their background and social media check, they find a violent message of hate against any person...It doesn't matter if I personally like the person they hate or not...they should not be allowed a weapon.

 

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The kid who stood in front of the native American with his stupid **** eating grin should never have a weapon or any of the kids who have displayed the 3 finger white power symbol in their high school photos.


See the thread (Peach fest) where this point was brought up, I guess if it's someone you like, it doesn't matter


If someone comes to buy a weapon and in their background and social media check, they find a violent message of hate against any person...It doesn't matter if I personally like the person they hate or not...they should not be allowed a weapon.


As long as there is no "Call to action" it is free speech as protected by the 1st amendment

 

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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 07:35 PM
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Any form of hate speech


Please provide the legal definition of "Hate speech"

 

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I'm not playing your game Vince if you haven't figured out what hate speech is by this time in your life I'm not here to educate you. You haven't been paying attention for a long time as you hide being semantics and word games to justify your thoughtless positions in life.

Hate speech is not protected..go tell you neighbor your going to kill him and see the response from the police when he calls them

 

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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 07:46 PM
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I'm not playing your game Vince if you haven't figured out what hate speech is by this time in your life I'm not here to educate you.


I am asking you to educate everybody.

What is the LEGAL definition of "Hate speech"?

 

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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 07:50 PM
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Hate speech is not protected..go tell you neighbor your going to kill him and see the response from the police when he calls them


This is not "Hate speech" my friend, because by legal definition, there is NO SUCH THING. It is a threat of physical violence which is a crime.

Know the difference

 

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Again sorry Vince if anyone here in or age group has a question on what hate speech is I'd say they've live as ignorant people that use word games to justify their vile ideologies

As Ben Franklin said "we're all born ignorant but you have to work hard to stay that way"...congratulation you embody that phrase in all your posts

 

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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 09:29 PM
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Again sorry Vince if anyone here in or age group has a question on what hate speech is I'd say they've live as ignorant people that use word games to justify their vile ideologies

As Ben Franklin said "we're all born ignorant but you have to work hard to stay that way"...congratulation you embody that phrase in all your posts


It is not my fault that you are depending on a Fictional piece of verbiage to prove a point.

Again, please give us the LEGAL definition of "Hate speech" and when you can not, ask where ignorance is to be found.

 

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  posted on 8/9/2019 at 08:27 AM
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My grand kids now live in Idaho and we visited them there this weekend for one of the boys birthday. We didn't really explore the area much(South Eastern Idaho) and the people we meet were all nice. At the airport, in Idaho Falls, as we were waiting to board our plane. I spotted a white male with the iron cross tattooed to his elbow. Idaho is known for having the one largest number of Neo-Nazi's and white supremacists groups in the west. So when they moved there I was concerned about my grandsons being at some point coming across people like that.

I think anyone who displays a symbol like that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun period EOS. The kids in the picture choking AOC...all of them should not be allowed to own a gun and if they have one now it should be taken away from them. The kid who stood in front of the native American with his stupid **** eating grin should never have a weapon or any of the kids who have displayed the 3 finger white power symbol in their high school photos.

Any form of hate speech or symbols should be the low bar for preventing people from having a gun of any type.


If we should succeed in getting background check websites and social media sites should be asked for so they can be searched for hate speech.

Yes "anyone" who wants to buy a weapon should be put under a psychological evaluation...everyone!! plus safety and ethics classes about how the gun is tool and not an end all for being angry.

We should have on going buy back programs for those willing to give up weapons they don't need if they feel they want to give up a weapon.


Some excellent ideas here.

 

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I'm waiting for the flag waving pick and choose Xtians to get with the pages in their precious book

Thou shalt NOT kill
Love thy neighbor

Etc etc

You can't BE a Christian and be a white supremacist.

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  posted on 8/17/2019 at 10:02 PM
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I'm waiting for the flag waving pick and choose Xtians to get with the pages in their precious book

Thou shalt NOT kill
Love thy neighbor

Etc etc

You can't BE a Christian and be a white supremacist.

EOS



You wouldn't think so, but the transformation of Jesus from a champion of helping the poor to being a gun loving, capitalist who hates the environment and wants to eliminate the social safety net is truly amazing. And to see the hero of his followers being an adulterer who appears to consider The 7 Deadly Sins as his goals in life is truly fascinating.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2019 at 09:07 PM
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. . .the transformation of Jesus from a champion of helping the poor to being a gun loving, capitalist who hates the environment and wants to eliminate the social safety net is truly amazing. And to see the hero of his followers being an adulterer who appears to consider The 7 Deadly Sins as his goals in life is truly fascinating.


Hypocrites? Parasites? Wolves in sheep's clothing?

Nothing a little shofar can't fix, drives em right back down, did the trick at Jericho! Get comfortable, this youtube is a tad on the lengthy side:

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  posted on 8/18/2019 at 10:47 PM
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This is not "Hate speech" my friend, because by legal definition, there is NO SUCH THING . . .


Now that is some fancy footwork right there. Neat trick, It isn't a crime on the books so therefore it doesn't exist! Hey wow look at this trick: racism isn't a crime too . . . POOF . . . gone, no such thing!

 

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  posted on 8/18/2019 at 11:53 PM
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This is not "Hate speech" my friend, because by legal definition, there is NO SUCH THING . . .


Now that is some fancy footwork right there. Neat trick, It isn't a crime on the books so therefore it doesn't exist! Hey wow look at this trick: racism isn't a crime too . . . POOF . . . gone, no such thing!



Actually the "neat trick" is using a fabricated terminology and comparing it to a real world issue like racism. You continually confuse the legal interpretation of a "call to action" with things spoken that you disagree with.

1) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Please, educate us all!...and give us the Legal definition of "hate speech"...When you can not do so you will begin to understand the difference between free speech and spoken words others find "Offensive".

Huge difference my friend, huge.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2019 at 10:33 AM
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Actually the "neat trick" is using a fabricated terminology and comparing it to a real world issue like racism. You continually confuse the legal interpretation of a "call to action" with things spoken that you disagree with.


Racism is not a crime. Hate speech is not a crime. Both are real things. Nice deflection with the "call to action" stuff. I agree on that and don't confuse it at all.

You are attempting to show that hate speech does not exist because it is not a crime.


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  posted on 8/19/2019 at 10:41 AM
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You are attempting to show that hate speech does not exist because it is not a crime.


Absolutely not. I am saying that it is fictional phrase devised by leftist Professors to describe verbiage they find offensive. It can not be legally defined and therefore it does not exist.

Disagree?...Give us the legal definition that would give this conjured up term credibility in a Court of Law.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2019 at 11:01 AM
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You are attempting to show that hate speech does not exist because it is not a crime.


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Absolutely not. I am saying that it is fictional phrase devised by leftist Professors to describe verbiage they find offensive. It can not be legally defined and therefore it does not exist.

Disagree?...Give us the legal definition that would give this conjured up term credibility in a Court of Law.


So you are saying that "Hate Speech" does not exist for all practical purposes.

There is no legal definition for "racism." It is an abstract idea and technically does not exist until the results of racist action can be seen, heard,or felt.

"Hate speech" may not be a crime, but it is a reality. You certainly may differ on what hate speech is, as you may differ on what racism is.

These are ethical questions, they are not legal questions.

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You are attempting to show that hate speech does not exist because it is not a crime.


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Absolutely not. I am saying that it is fictional phrase devised by leftist Professors to describe verbiage they find offensive. It can not be legally defined and therefore it does not exist.

Disagree?...Give us the legal definition that would give this conjured up term credibility in a Court of Law.


So you are saying that "Hate Speech" does not exist for all practical purposes.


Yes. Because it is nothing more than a rallying cry for language a segment of the population finds "offensive". The first amendment protects ALL speech unless there is a call for action as in Violence. The mere act of expressing hatred as some would define it is protected speech. If you don't care for it; it has been defined as something you find distasteful, nothing more. The term "Hate speech" is paraphrasing language judged to be abhorrent by those who would silence you if in their power. "Hate speech" is nothing more than one more attempt to apply "Politically correct" limitations on elocution that differs from your agenda.

You can prosecute racism through discrimination.

How does one pursue legal action against "hate speech"?

 

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You can prosecute racism through discrimination.


No, you prosecute discrimination as discrimination. Whether or not the discrimination is based on racism, or because of differences over asswiping habits, makes no difference at all, it is the discrimination that is a crime.

Let's get away from the politically charged "race" term, for the purpose of clarity, and use the above hypothetical, asswiping. Just because you may not wipe your ass, or do so in an inefficient manner, does not give me the right to attack you because I find you offensive. I think we agree here.

The question arises when I decide to denounce your hygienic practices to the world, at which point some may agree with me and some may not. So I stand on the street corner with a big sign that says "BigV doesn't wipe" - Now it becomes an issue: Other non-wipers come chafing around, getting all worked up and sweaty and activating their dinkle-oozecrust reek and say "Brerrabbit is engaging in hate speech!" But then the cleanass crowd chimes in with "No Brerrabbit is exercising his right to free speech!"

So there is the scenario. Purely an ethical quandary. Same thing with racism, it is gross, offensive, and worse than never wiping your ass, but it is LEGAL. If someone wants to walk around with a cloud of flies buzzing around the seat of their pants, that is their right. Just because dirty asses are allowed in no way means they do not exist.


 

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You can prosecute racism through discrimination.

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No, you prosecute discrimination as discrimination.


Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII)
This law makes it illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, or sex.

"This law" makes it unlawful to discriminate against someone on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex (including pregnancy) or religion. One then can be prosecuted for racial discrimination.

I repeat..."How does one pursue legal action against "hate speech"?"

 

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  posted on 8/19/2019 at 12:25 PM
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I repeat..."How does one pursue legal action against "hate speech"?"


You are creating an argument where there is none. The law has no language on hate speech and racism. The law doesn't magically make things exist or vanish because it has no ruling on them. Law has zero bearing on ethical abstractions.

The main thing is that we have sorted through all the bullcrap and have a straight answer from you, according to BigV, HATE SPEECH DOES NOT EXIST.




 

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The law has no language on hate speech


Exactly

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HATE SPEECH DOES NOT EXIST


Thank You

 

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