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Author: Subject: Where are the Republican Mental Health Solutions?

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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 10:32 PM
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I've always wondered exactly how a mental status exam would be administered to a potential gun purchaser by a gun store clerk whose sole interest is making a sale.


It is not the purchase that brings the subject of mental illness into the discussion, it is what happens after someone who is ill does with the weapon after acquiring it.

 

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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 10:51 PM
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I've always wondered exactly how a mental status exam would be administered to a potential gun purchaser by a gun store clerk whose sole interest is making a sale.


It is not the purchase that brings the subject of mental illness into the discussion, it is what happens after someone who is ill does with the weapon after acquiring it.
Dont you think someone who is mentally ill, unstable, a white supremacist arms collector, should be flagged and banned from ever owning weapons?. If you don't think this is going to be a regular occurrence, guess again. Buy some stock in one of the company's that makes bulletproof back packs for little children, sales are up over 200 percent, what a **** ing world.

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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 10:54 PM
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I've always wondered exactly how a mental status exam would be administered to a potential gun purchaser by a gun store clerk whose sole interest is making a sale.


It is not the purchase that brings the subject of mental illness into the discussion, it is what happens after someone who is ill does with the weapon after acquiring it.


Again... Please tell me what the proposed mental health solutions are. Or, is it just noting that the mass shooter was not behaving like a responsible member of society? We are all capable of hindsight. Punishing the shooters, while doing nothing else, hasn't really slowed this thing down a lot.

That is why we shouldn't be handing guns out like candy in this country and, yeah, I am also talking about handguns and the problems with Chicago, too. The Governor of Texas put out a tweet a little while ago lamenting that Texas was the #2 ranked state in gun sales. He said in the tweet, "Come on, Texas!"

That is just stupid and dangerous. Last weekend was the proof, yet I bet he doesn't even feel like a jackass.

 

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  posted on 8/6/2019 at 11:10 PM
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Or, is it just noting that the mass shooter was not behaving like a responsible member of society?


I think for me and the way I apply logic this is it, I can't understand why anyone in their "right" mind would set out with the intention of killing large groups of people because of personal issues....I apply the same "logic" to the thinking that more laws will fix this, because, well they will not. The mentality that drives this behavior is the root cause and it may take a while for a solution that suits all to be found.....

 

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  posted on 8/7/2019 at 07:33 AM
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Or, is it just noting that the mass shooter was not behaving like a responsible member of society?


I think for me and the way I apply logic this is it, I can't understand why anyone in their "right" mind would set out with the intention of killing large groups of people because of personal issues....I apply the same "logic" to the thinking that more laws will fix this, because, well they will not. The mentality that drives this behavior is the root cause and it may take a while for a solution that suits all to be found.....


Are you seriously going to ignore the complete context of the El Paso shooting and the motivations behind it?

It's completely acceptable to demonize, scapegoat, fundraise, rally and frame a subset of human beings as invading and infesting vermin as long as you don't kill them? Is that about right?

 

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  posted on 8/7/2019 at 07:56 AM
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Are you seriously going to ignore the complete context of the El Paso shooting and the motivations behind it?


"Motivations" I believe in free will and whatever "Motivated" this moron to action is on him, no on else.

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It's completely acceptable to demonize, scapegoat, fundraise, rally and frame a subset of human beings as invading and infesting vermin as long as you don't kill them? Is that about right?


"Acceptable"? That's up to you. You can exercise your version of "acceptable" at the Polls, just like everybody else.

 

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  posted on 8/7/2019 at 08:47 AM
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"Acceptable"? That's up to you. You can exercise your version of "acceptable" at the Polls, just like everybody else.


No sh*t. In other words, you find it acceptable.

 

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"Acceptable"? That's up to you. You can exercise your version of "acceptable" at the Polls, just like everybody else.


No sh*t. In other words, you find it acceptable.


What difference does it make in your day what I believe? Since I have stated no opinion on this thought, I can only guess that my exhibited behavior is in your belief "antagonistic" simply because I want none of the Kool-Aid you are selling. Is it that important to you that people agree with your views?

Evidently it is.

 

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Are you seriously going to ignore the complete context of the El Paso shooting and the motivations behind it?


"Motivations" I believe in free will and whatever "Motivated" this moron to action is on him, no on else.

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It's completely acceptable to demonize, scapegoat, fundraise, rally and frame a subset of human beings as invading and infesting vermin as long as you don't kill them? Is that about right?


"Acceptable"? That's up to you. You can exercise your version of "acceptable" at the Polls, just like everybody else.


Yeah, you're good with it. I never expected you to just come out and say it, but you do you.

 

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  posted on 8/7/2019 at 08:36 PM
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we have a president who spews venom and hatred toward Mexicans, calls them invaders, criminals, disease carriers, etc. we were bound to have a massacre of them.


What a bunch of crap. ANYONE who hears "venom" from any source has the power to walk away. If you are affected enough to feel a "call to action" that is on you and NO ONE ELSE
Wrong. The scumbag in chief is provoking white nationalists, neo nazi punks and emboldens them with his big mouth.


So Pops, which of Trump's orations have caused you to act that way?

 

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  posted on 8/8/2019 at 12:05 AM
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we have a president who spews venom and hatred toward Mexicans, calls them invaders, criminals, disease carriers, etc. we were bound to have a massacre of them.


What a bunch of crap. ANYONE who hears "venom" from any source has the power to walk away. If you are affected enough to feel a "call to action" that is on you and NO ONE ELSE
Wrong. The scumbag in chief is provoking white nationalists, neo nazi punks and emboldens them with his big mouth.


So Pops, which of Trump's orations have caused you to act that way?
lm recommending you to be red-flagged and have your weapons confiscated due to mental issues.

 

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  posted on 8/8/2019 at 11:58 AM
This is from the Chicago Tribune today, a very conservative/republican paper.....

Editorial: President Trump’s failure to heal and unify the nation

When the president of the United States speaks, Americans listen. That’s especially true in moments of crisis when strength and succor are required. Think: Franklin Delano Roosevelt during the Depression (“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself”). Or Ronald Reagan after the Challenger disaster (They " 'slipped the surly bonds of earth’ to ‘touch the face of God’ ”).

Contrast those stirring examples with the mean-spirited leadership style of President Donald Trump, whose record of public statements is pocked with coarse insults, disparaging rhetoric and bizarre equivocations. Mexican migrants, he said as a candidate, are “bringing crime. They’re rapists.” About Central Americans: “We cannot allow all of these people to invade our country.” And after a neo-Nazi march in Charlottesville, Virginia, led to rioting, Trump failed to forcefully denounce white supremacy, claiming he saw “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.”

You likely recognize those quotations because the presidential bully pulpit reverberates, whether the sentiment is healing or toxic. A smattering of Trump’s name-calling vocabulary: Sad joke, loser, crazed lunatics, extraordinarily low IQ person, complete and total fraud. ... On he rants, especially via Twitter and at political events, unloading his negative energy at perceived enemies and anyone else against whom he thinks he can score points by vilifying. Last month he told four congressional Democrats, all women of color, to “go back” to their homelands. These are not presidential words to be carved in marble.

Then came violence in the border city of El Paso, Texas, where a gunman killed 22 people and injured dozens. Authorities believe the suspect posted a hate-filled, anti-immigrant screed on the internet before opening fire. El Paso had been in the news because it’s the location of a federal immigration facility housing Central American migrants seeking asylum — the very kind of people Trump demonized as an invading force.

The president is not directly to blame for the shooting in El Paso. Perpetrators of violence are responsible for their actions. But two things are true about the impact of Trump’s bullying and belittling: He is doing damage to the culture of civility and tolerance in America by promoting nastiness as his personal political brand. And he’s failing in the traditional presidential role of providing moral leadership to the country.

Trump spoke Monday from the White House about El Paso, and condemned racism, bigotry and white supremacy. On Wednesday he visited hospitals in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, site of a second mass shooting. But he doesn’t have the credibility to meaningfully contribute to the healing that’s necessary. That’s because what he reads from a teleprompter or says to family members of victims is contradicted by his crazed, off-the-cuff language.

All the words of a leader matter. They can provide comfort and wisdom amid uncertainty, or spread mistrust and hate. Trump’s divisive rhetoric generates electricity among supporters at partisan events where the theme is: Vanquish political foes. It also spreads toxins. It’s beneath the dignity of high office. As the insults mount, Trump contributes to a national climate of intolerance. Because of him, the body politic is debased.

And as a result, when a terrible event occurs and Americans need inspirational words to guide them, the president is incapable of delivering an effective message of unity. His track record gets in the way. His voice rings hollow.

This is its own small national tragedy.

Editorials reflect the opinion of the Editorial Board, as determined by the members of the board, the editorial page editor and the publisher.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-editorial-trump-el-pas o-tolerance-language-20190807-phcfgkpq2jfp3mzyiisuy2kbxm-story.html

 

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  posted on 8/8/2019 at 01:03 PM
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The president is not directly to blame for the shooting in El Paso.


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Perpetrators of violence are responsible for their actions.


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But two things are true about the impact of Trump’s bullying and belittling: He is doing damage to the culture of civility and tolerance in America by promoting nastiness as his personal political brand.


"But....."

 

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  posted on 8/8/2019 at 01:06 PM
I was going to predict what you would cherry pick from that article.... I was right.......
 

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  posted on 8/8/2019 at 01:12 PM
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I was going to predict what you would cherry pick from that article.... I was right.......


Predict away. You can't have it both ways and the word "But" equates just that.

Either it is or it is not.

 

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  posted on 8/8/2019 at 02:59 PM
I'll let the Tribune know.....
 

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  posted on 8/8/2019 at 04:53 PM
The fact is: no president of this country should speak hate speak against hispanics, African Americans, tweet about it etc. he is a piece of **** , who is unfit for office. Also he bears part of the blame for what happened in Charlottesville and El Paso.
 

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Bombs serve a purpose in war just like military-style firearms, but they have no reason to be in the hands of civilians.

[Edited on 8/5/2019 by adhill58]


Yeah....one purpose of military style firearms is to kill. Why available to the public is baffiling to me.

 

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