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  posted on 8/4/2019 at 12:04 AM
Twenty years after Columbine and so many mass shootings that they have become shoulder shrug inducing, why haven't the mental health fixes constantly pitched by the gun-sale-cheerleading Republicans stopped this insanity?

Not asking for a debate about gun control, really, we have had that after other shootings. I just want to know how things are working out for the most used alternative to doing anything that might get in the way of gun companies making as much money as possible while people die because they go out in public.

Where have they been implemented and how many mass shootings have they stopped? I live in a very conservative state and I have never seen/heard a public service announcement about how to get mental health help if I am contemplating a mass shooting. (I hear the gambling addiction hotline number all the time.) How is this supposed to work? I have never heard anything about it other than from Republicans officials at press conferences after tragedies.

 
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  posted on 8/4/2019 at 11:12 AM
Transcortical lead therapy
 

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  posted on 8/4/2019 at 12:02 PM
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Twenty years after Columbine and so many mass shootings that they have become shoulder shrug inducing, why haven't the mental health fixes constantly pitched by the gun-sale-cheerleading Republicans stopped this insanity?

Where have they been implemented and how many mass shootings have they stopped? I live in a very conservative state and I have never seen/heard a public service announcement about how to get mental health help if I am contemplating a mass shooting. (I hear the gambling addiction hotline number all the time.) How is this supposed to work? I have never heard anything about it other than from Republicans officials at press conferences after tragedies.


Excellent question that points out the erroneous assumption that inadequate mental health services are equally to blame for mass shootings as inadequate gun control. Being an ANGRY man w/financial or social problems isn't mental illness. The DSM-V (the psychiatric bible of diagnoses) doesn't classify anger as a mental illness nor offer a treatment plan for the disease of anger.

I don't recall ANY of the mass shooters having had a psychiatric diagnosis such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or narcissistic personality disorder. Clinical depression might have been diagnosed in one of the Columbine shooters. Otherwise, depression is a term misused by many, including journalists, to mean the blues that eventually go away & has nothing to do w/mental health.

Upon investigation, the shooters all turned out to have a social problem - no social skills, job loss, unable to form or maintain a relationship, isolation, gambling debts/financial problems, or a long history of childhood family disruption. The TX shooter was just a racist w/a gun like the Charlottesville racist who mowed people down w/a car. There is no mental health treatment for ANGRY or RACIST people.

You make another excellent point in that addiction (alcohol, drug, gambling, sex) is the only ailment that gets any attention. It's profitable!!! Addiction centers that purport to treat virtually any addiction are privately run. They get repeat business when the client (they're not called patients) relapse & their families/employers think another stint in rehab will help. They can afford to advertise.

With the exception of an occasional PSA for a suicide helpline, the only mental health advertising is for a specific drug touted by its manufacturer. The advice for most people who think they need psychiatric help is to "talk to their doctor."

So, treatments aren't being offered because there's no evidence that shooters are mentally ill, but addiction treatment (especially during this Opioid Crisis) is big business in the US.





 

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  posted on 8/4/2019 at 12:09 PM
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I don't think that's been tried as a prophylaxis.

Have any of the shooters who remained alive afterwards received a capital sentence?

 

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  posted on 8/4/2019 at 01:41 PM
The president has significant mental Health issues, but calls himself a "stable genius ".
 

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  posted on 8/4/2019 at 04:05 PM
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Twenty years after Columbine and so many mass shootings that they have become shoulder shrug inducing, why haven't the mental health fixes constantly pitched by the gun-sale-cheerleading Republicans stopped this insanity?


Are you suggesting that these insane behaviors have nothing to do with Mental Health?

 

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  posted on 8/4/2019 at 04:08 PM
Remember when.

Donald Trump laughed and joked after a supporter suggested shooting Mexican migrants at a rally in May 2019.

The clip of the interaction is once again spreading across social media, as the US reels from the El Paso massacre.

“When you have 15,000 people marching up, and you have hundreds and hundreds of [immigrants], and you have two or three border security people that are brave and great – and don’t forget we don’t let them and we can’t let them use weapons,” Mr Trump said, to an audience of thousands in Florida.

“We can’t. Other countries do, we can’t. I would never do that. But how do you stop these people?”

In response someone from the audience shouted: “Shoot them!”

Mr Trump then appeared to laugh before shaking his head and saying: “That’s only in the Panhandle you can get away with that statement.”

The crowd then erupted into laughter and cheers, and Mr Trump added: “Only in the Panhandle!”

The Florida Panhandle is a region in the north west of the state.

The interaction was remembered with anger online, in the aftermath of the El Paso massacre.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2019/may/09/trump-laughs-after-au dience-member-suggests-shooting-migrants-video

 

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Twenty years after Columbine and so many mass shootings that they have become shoulder shrug inducing, why haven't the mental health fixes constantly pitched by the gun-sale-cheerleading Republicans stopped this insanity?


Are you suggesting that these insane behaviors have nothing to do with Mental Health?


I am not. I am asking what mental health fixes have been implemented by people who want to keep our nation flooded with dangerous weapons. If they have started any programs, have they been successful in bringing the number of mass shootings down? Or, is this just code for "I get campaign money from the companies that make big money from selling these guns, and that is more important to me than whether innocent people die."?


Are you suggesting that a an insane person should be able to get access to a weapon that makes him able to shoot 36 people in one minute? That is what happened in Dayton. The only other real way to hurt that many people so quickly would be to use an explosive devise, which is illegal. Bombs serve a purpose in war just like military-style firearms, but they have no reason to be in the hands of civilians.

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Donald Trump laughed and joked after a supporter suggested shooting Mexican migrants at a rally in May 2019.


Hardly a presidential response. That comment plus his post-Charlottesville remarks & all the other overtly inflammatory off-the-cuff remarks & kneejerk tweets are what has worried many Americans since the commencement of this presidency - someone would take those remarks as a call to action and actually kill people. Do I think Trump intends for people to act on them? No. Do I think even now he recognizes the danger of his comments? No. Is he going to stop? No.

 

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Donald Trump laughed and joked after a supporter suggested shooting Mexican migrants at a rally in May 2019.


Hardly a presidential response. That comment plus his post-Charlottesville remarks & all the other overtly inflammatory off-the-cuff remarks & kneejerk tweets are what has worried many Americans since the commencement of this presidency - someone would take those remarks as a call to action and actually kill people. Do I think Trump intends for people to act on them? No. Do I think even now he recognizes the danger of his comments? No. Is he going to stop? No.

I agree that the white nationalist President may not intend for people to act on his words. However, it certainly seems like his repeated use of words of hate perpetrate actions (cause & effect). This weekend is not the first time, but it follows closely to his attacks on Congressional Reps and attacks on American cities in the last two weeks. The manifesto from the El Paso shooter shares Trump's words & ideas from rallies and tweets. Why is it that hate crimes are up during the Trump Presidency? Is this just some aberration or coincidence?

 

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  posted on 8/4/2019 at 07:14 PM
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I agree that the white nationalist President may not intend for people to act on his words. However, it certainly seems like his repeated use of words of hate perpetrate actions (cause & effect). This weekend is not the first time, but it follows closely to his attacks on Congressional Reps and attacks on American cities in the last two weeks. The manifesto from the El Paso shooter shares Trump's words & ideas from rallies and tweets. Why is it that hate crimes are up during the Trump Presidency? Is this just some aberration or coincidence?

I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone to perpetrate a large scale act of domestic terrorism against people of a specific nationality fueled by Trump's rhetoric. I give the benefit of the doubt to law enforcement that may have prevented other attacks in planning stages, particularly where daily crossings of the border while a blind eye is turned have been consistently reported. This can't be likened to attacks on blacks, Jews, and Muslims that have broader and longer histories of hate. This rests on the heightened tensions brought front & center by Trump starting w/his pre-election "rapists & murderers" characterization of Mexicans. The fact that prosecution of this as a hate crime is even being debated is absurd.

 

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Seriously, I am genuinely curious about what the Republican ideas are for stopping this crap based on the mental health of the mass shooters. No answer I guess...
 

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  posted on 8/4/2019 at 07:24 PM
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Seriously, I am genuinely curious about what the Republican ideas are for stopping this crap based on the mental health of the mass shooters. No answer I guess...
Sell more guns, arm more people, prayers for the dead.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2019 at 07:47 PM
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Seriously, I am genuinely curious about what the Republican ideas are for stopping this crap based on the mental health of the mass shooters. No answer I guess...

My non-partisan answer is that there is NO mental health solution for mass shootings because there isn't evidence that the mass shooters HAVE a diagnosable mental illness. These guys are sociopaths just like other pre-meditated murderers who end up behind bars. You might as well be looking for a mental health solution to gang wars.

 

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https://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-america-sandy-hook-gun-violence


This is a decent graphic about mass shootings in that have happened since the Sandy Hook shooting. It counts an incident in which at least four people were shot as a mass shooting. Using this definition, there have been 2,191 mass shootings since Sandy Hook. There has not been a single calendar week during the years of 2013-2019 without a mass shooting. Obviously, this is a wide definition, but selling more guns hasn't really seemed to fix the problem.

 

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I agree that the white nationalist President may not intend for people to act on his words.



Well. there it is, it took a few posts, but once again the answer from the left always goes to color or racism.

What is wrong with placing the blame solely where it bongs?... ON THE SHOOTER

 

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I agree that the white nationalist President may not intend for people to act on his words.



Well. there it is, it took a few posts, but once again the answer from the left always goes to color or racism.

What is wrong with placing the blame solely where it bongs?... ON THE SHOOTER


So, only the actual shooter is responsible in every case? A mafia boss orders a shooting, but only the guy who pulls the trigger is responsible? The poison used in death camps in WWII were pored in by other prisoners, so were those other prisoners the only ones responsible? Of course the shooter is responsible, but other factors are at play. Maybe someone who brainwashed someone of weak mind might hold some responsibility as well don't you think?

 

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"First of all, Mr. President, as Lieutenant Governor of Texas, like you, I have some people that really like me some people that really don’t. But the police officers in Texas know without question, regardless of their political party, that they have my support and I have their back. I’m concerned that police officers across the country, they know you support law enforcement, of course. But do they really in their heart feel like you’re doing everything you can to protect their lives? Yesterday, you had meetings at the White House and afterwards you said that the tensions between police and between black Americans is only going to get worse. Words matter. Your words matter much more than mine. Everything you say matters and I would ask you to be careful, when there is an incident, of not being too quick to condemn the police without due process and until the facts are known. I know that’s not your intention, but again, words have meaning." -Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick speaking to President Obama at a town hall event after the shooting of five Dallas police officers in 2016.

Patrick, at the same event, asked the son of Louisiana police shooting victim Alton Sterling to stand next to him and said, "Take the hateful rhetoric out of this and stop the violence. That has to be first. We both ask you to do that, Mr. President."


Later on Fox News he said this: "And I do blame people on social media with their hatred towards police. I do blame — I saw Jesse Jackson, I think it, was on Fox the other night, calling police racist without any facts. I do blame former Black Lives Matter protesters. Last night was peaceful but others have not been, and we heard 'pigs in a blanket.' "

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So, Dan Patrick, who is the archetypal NRA stooge, has no problem trying to pin the blame of the killing of police officers on Obama when Obama had never even called police "rapists" and "murderers". Funny how things change. He doesn't sound like he believes that the blame lies only with the person who pulls the trigger. He thinks people can be influenced to act violently by what a president says and what crap gets posted on social media.

Surely, we can all agree that Obama was much more careful about what he said and how he said it than our current hate-tweeting ass.

I am sure that he now agrees with Trump that this weekends killings were nothing more than mental health issues.


 

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I agree that the white nationalist President may not intend for people to act on his words.



Well. there it is, it took a few posts, but once again the answer from the left always goes to color or racism.

What is wrong with placing the blame solely where it bongs?... ON THE SHOOTER


So, only the actual shooter is responsible in every case? A mafia boss orders a shooting, but only the guy who pulls the trigger is responsible? The poison used in death camps in WWII were pored in by other prisoners, so were those other prisoners the only ones responsible? Of course the shooter is responsible, but other factors are at play. Maybe someone who brainwashed someone of weak mind might hold some responsibility as well don't you think?


2112,

Here's a good example of cause & effect of amped up rhetoric. This is what happened outside a Trump rally last week. Trump rallies are a fault free zone.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/man-arrested-for-punching-anti-trum p-protester-in-the-face

Trump previously in rallies had told those in attendance he might pay for legal bills.

https://time.com/4256809/donald-trump-l/




 

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What is wrong with placing the blame solely where it bongs?... ON THE SHOOTER


That is precisely where it belongs.

I asked a psychiatrist colleague this morning what her position re mental health & mass shooters was. The response: "There is no diagnosis of Loser in the DSM-V."

 

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Trump previously in rallies had told those in attendance he might pay for legal bills.
https://time.com/4256809/donald-trump-l/


Sorry to jump in to your post to 2112, but example 2 is when Trump was a candidate in 2016. That's also when he started the Mexican immigrants are "rapists & murderers" theme. He was a private citizen & could pay legal bills if he chose. Voters were free to cast their ballots not in his favor.

As president, he should realize that his words have weight. Sadly, he thinks his words have always carried weight because he's The Donald & hasn't toned anything down. Nor is he going to. We are in the Catch 22 position of simultaneously saying "respect the office of the presidency" & "ignore him."

 

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Twenty years after Columbine and so many mass shootings that they have become shoulder shrug inducing, why haven't the mental health fixes constantly pitched by the gun-sale-cheerleading Republicans stopped this insanity?


Are you suggesting that these insane behaviors have nothing to do with Mental Health?


Disturbed indeed, but why are we using mental illness as an all encompassing excuse to brush away the issue and so easily excuse these episodes, in theory You could then use this excuse for every single person who takes another's life? These mentally affected folks are the most vulnerable to influence by outside forces and rhetorics, such as the garbage constantly spewed by their big orange hero, they feel encouraged and justified, by our ass hole and criminally responsible leader, this is precisely why You see them all coming to the surface now, they are triggered and emboldened by this dickhead Trump.........Peace..........joe

 

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Twenty years after Columbine and so many mass shootings that they have become shoulder shrug inducing, why haven't the mental health fixes constantly pitched by the gun-sale-cheerleading Republicans stopped this insanity?


Are you suggesting that these insane behaviors have nothing to do with Mental Health?


Disturbed indeed, but why are we using mental illness as an all encompassing excuse to brush away the issue and so easily excuse these episodes, in theory You could then use this excuse for every single person who takes another's life?


Not just "another person's life" the lives of MANY people at one time. What sane person thinks this is acceptable?

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These mentally affected folks are the most vulnerable to influence by outside forces and rhetorics, such as the garbage constantly spewed by their big orange hero, they feel encouraged and justified, by our ass hole and criminally responsible leader, this is precisely why You see them all coming to the surface now, they are triggered and emboldened by this dickhead.


Well, there ya go, can't be responsible for your own decision making? Influenced enough by others that you would actually go out and commit mass Murder?..You are mentally ill.

'criminally responsible leader"..At what point are you responsible for your own actions?

 

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Well, Charles Manson was held responsible for the Sharon Tate murders for doing nothing more than what Trump has done, influencing and inciting weak minded and mentally vulnerable, internally angry people to go out and commit violence, am I wrong???...........Peace......joe
 

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  posted on 8/5/2019 at 12:36 PM
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Well. there it is, it took a few posts, but once again the answer from the left always goes to color or racism


Murderer rails against Hispanics, murderer targets Hispanics. This was an ethnically motivated atrocity. Why do you always choose to nazi that? Oops looks like spellcheck jumped on "not see."





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