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  posted on 12/30/2019 at 09:38 AM
Another regular season in the books. A lot happened on the final day but most exciting is how about that FITZMAGIC!? What a weird career that guy has had, just could not find a system to stay in. A nice cap on what could have been a totally lost season for the Dolphins, forcing the Pats to play in the Wild Card Round. I think the Chiefs and Ravens are going to meet in the AFC Championship anyways.

Cowboys sure dropped the ball down the stretch. Thrashing the 'skins was way too little, too late. It will be interesting to see what happens in Dallas, Jerry Jones needs to give someone else some control. Seems like that might be happening in DC - Allen is out as GM and Ron Rivera is likely the new coach. Doubt that will change anything, the Redskins are basically the Knicks of the NFL with ownership dragging them down.

Pete Carroll has to feel pretty dumb for giving up 1st and goal from the 1 with a delay of game penalty. Way to squander a prime Beast Mode moment.

And how about them Browns? Kitchens is gone, surprising no one. What a wasted season, not sure why they didn't shop around for a real coach last off season. They had a talk with Mike McCarthy last year, I wonder if they will revisit him. McC isn't exactly Bill Walsh, but he has to be an upgrade.

Wild Card Weekend starts with, uh, Buffalo-Houston. The Bills look solid, I think they might actually win a playoff game.

New England will have an easy time with Tennessee, but interesting Tannehill immediately got the Titans to the playoffs. Also, 2 AFC South teams made the playoffs and one of them isn't the Colts? The AFC North and West are that bad.

Speaking of the AFC North, Pittsburgh had about as good of a season as you can expect, all things considered - Ben going down early, Antonion Brown circus. They almost made the playoffs somehow.

I don't think the Saints will have a problem with the Vikings at home. New Orleans looks like they are at the top of their game.

The Eagles are lucky to be there, but the Seahawks are a much better team.

49ers and the Packers are the top seeds. Both were pretty bad in 2018, the 49ers look like the real deal, everyone wants to see a rematch of 49ers-Saints.

The Packers have been lights out when tested, bend but don't break, even against lesser teams like Detroit yesterday. Not sure how they will stack up against either Seattle or New Orleans, even at home. Even if they don't win a playoff game, I couldn't have imagined a better first year for Matt LaFleur. It's all about when you peak, so maybe they can keep doing just enough to squeeze out a few more victories.


 

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  posted on 12/30/2019 at 03:17 PM
Didn’t see that the Browns had fired Kitchens - maybe another go-round w/Hue Jackson? - they could bring back Paul Brown himself, probly wouldn’t change anything

Nope, a team w/4 wins rolling up 389 yards of offense against the top rated D
Usually teams like to be peaking at end of season
Pats were awesome first 2/3rds of season - have flattened out since - yesterday was the nadir
Even if they play better vs TN, it won’t be enough to win - that’s how flat they were ystrdy

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  posted on 12/30/2019 at 04:40 PM
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Nope, a team w/4 wins rolling up 389 yards of offense against the top rated D
Usually teams like to be peaking at end of season
Pats were awesome first 2/3rds of season - have flattened out since - yesterday was the nadir
Even if they play better vs TN, it won’t be enough to win - that’s how flat they were ystrdy

Jeez, just can't please Pats fans. Every team lays an egg once in a while, no shame in losing to FitzMAGIC. Remember, 3 of the Pats' 4 losses were to playoff teams - Houston, Baltimore, and KC. Two of those teams are clear-cut best 2 teams in the AFC, with New England is a solid #3 with loads of playoff experience.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2019 at 05:25 PM
You guys are all missing the major takeaway from yesterday. My Lions did their part in blowing a game at the end. What we needed was for Washington to lose so Detroit would get the second pick next year in the draft. The Skins blew it. We want Chase Young.

My Detroit pal and I were actually rooting for Detroit to lose. How pathetic is that?

 

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  posted on 12/30/2019 at 07:08 PM
After Pats got the late 24-20 lead after playing catch-up all day, I Wanted to believe that NOW the D will show up & stuff em for the win & bye next wknd-

but they hadn’t stopped Miami all day -
sure enough they marched down the field for the winning TD - it was the worst Pats have looked in ages, esp at home - Fitzpatrick did play great for them
Something will have to change by next wknd

 

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  posted on 12/30/2019 at 07:18 PM
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Nope, a team w/4 wins rolling up 389 yards of offense against the top rated D
Usually teams like to be peaking at end of season
Pats were awesome first 2/3rds of season - have flattened out since - yesterday was the nadir
Even if they play better vs TN, it won’t be enough to win - that’s how flat they were ystrdy

Jeez, just can't please Pats fans. Every team lays an egg once in a while, no shame in losing to FitzMAGIC. Remember, 3 of the Pats' 4 losses were to playoff teams - Houston, Baltimore, and KC. Two of those teams are clear-cut best 2 teams in the AFC, with New England is a solid #3 with loads of playoff experience.


Pats fans are the worst. I hope their team takes an unholy beat down this weekend.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2019 at 07:55 PM
& they sure get a big laugh out of a statement like that
Pure envy/petty jealousy - nothing more - Boston sports fans hear it frequently b/c all 4 teams win -
But yes, your wish might be granted if Pats don’t shore up their game pronto


[Edited on 12/31/2019 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 12/31/2019 at 08:34 AM
Just couldn’t understand Pats coming up empty in a key game in the season finale at home to a team they beat 43-0 earlier this season - fans of most teams in that position also wouldn’t be happy, IMHO

But yes, also noted the decline in level of play over last 3-4 weeks, that Pats fans are accustomed to - that Might be where their detractors feel they are haughty snobbish holier-than-thou the worst etc & so forth - who knows
Guess I was upset at the upset
Cheers, HNY to all

[Edited on 12/31/2019 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 12/31/2019 at 10:33 AM
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My Detroit pal and I were actually rooting for Detroit to lose. How pathetic is that?

If it makes you feel any better (it probably won't), the Lions never trailed the Packers during a combined 120 minutes this season

 

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  posted on 1/1/2020 at 06:12 AM
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My Detroit pal and I were actually rooting for Detroit to lose. How pathetic is that?

If it makes you feel any better (it probably won't), the Lions never trailed the Packers during a combined 120 minutes this season


Thanks, I needed that! Trust me it does not surprise me. I'm sure whoever we draft will be a bust.

Kind of rooting for your Packers this month. I like that fact that they are kind of underdogs.

 

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  posted on 1/1/2020 at 07:42 AM
Regarding this week's playoff lines here are your picks to go wrong:

New England -4.5. They have to get back on track.

Minnesota +8 and New Orleans. This one kind of scares me. It's a lot of points and Saints at home and all but I will still take Minnesota.

Seattle -1 at Philly. I'll take the better QB.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2020 at 12:55 PM
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Minnesota +8 and New Orleans. This one kind of scares me. It's a lot of points and Saints at home and all but I will still take Minnesota.

The only questions is how early into the 4th quarter will Vikings fans have to watch Bridgerwater mop them up?

In the offseason, will the Vikings go after Cam Newton or Philip Rivers? I think Cam isn't washed up enough for the Vikings yet.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2020 at 03:01 PM
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Minnesota +8 and New Orleans. This one kind of scares me. It's a lot of points and Saints at home and all but I will still take Minnesota.

The only questions is how early into the 4th quarter will Vikings fans have to watch Bridgerwater mop them up?

In the offseason, will the Vikings go after Cam Newton or Philip Rivers? I think Cam isn't washed up enough for the Vikings yet.


I assume this is definitely tongue in cheek. With all the money they devoted to Cousins (which I can't believe they did) they are on the hook for a while. You mentioned Bridgewater. Heck, I would have just stuck with him.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2020 at 03:37 PM
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The only questions is how early into the 4th quarter will Vikings fans have to watch Bridgerwater mop them up?

In the offseason, will the Vikings go after Cam Newton or Philip Rivers? I think Cam isn't washed up enough for the Vikings yet.

I assume this is definitely tongue in cheek. With all the money they devoted to Cousins (which I can't believe they did) they are on the hook for a while. You mentioned Bridgewater. Heck, I would have just stuck with him.

It's just typical Vikings' M.O., a running joke at this point - throw money at a QB, sour on them faster than you can drop a piano and chase after the next QB that everyone else knows is washed up or not worth it.

Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Favre, Donovan McNabb, Matt Cassell, Bridgewater, Sam Bradford, Case Keenum. Cunningham, Favre, and Keenum all took them to the NFC Championship but neither of them made it through the following season.

Just wait for the day when Stat Padford is released by the Lions and see who scoops him up

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  posted on 1/3/2020 at 05:25 PM
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Minnesota +8 and New Orleans. This one kind of scares me. It's a lot of points and Saints at home and all but I will still take Minnesota.

The only questions is how early into the 4th quarter will Vikings fans have to watch Bridgerwater mop them up?

In the offseason, will the Vikings go after Cam Newton or Philip Rivers? I think Cam isn't washed up enough for the Vikings yet.


There was rumor talk here in Indy about Rivers coming to town. Like I said "rumored". I would not be opposed to it , but the Colts have to draft a qb for the future. I don't think Jacoby is it.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 04:21 AM
Derrick Henry ran like the wild horse of the osage himself - tremendous birthday performance
Defensively they stuffed Pats 1st & goal on the 2, then pitched a shutout 2nd half
Special team, what about that punt, took all day to roll to the one yard line & the pick six
Once again clearly outplayed, & congrats to TN
B’s are trending-similar on the sheet, stuck in the mud after a fast start, gotta turn that around now - nothing for Pats to be ashamed of, they’ve been on the other side of it too long for that

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 11:09 AM
Sorry about your Pats, Stephen. I really thought Vrabel was going to outsmart himself killing all of that clock. I was expecting the Pats to drive down the field, score, and leave nothing on the clock for the Titans to counter, but the Titans held. Henry is a beast, and yeah, their D is pretty solid.

Houston surprised me, but then, I always kind of forget the Texans even exist. Bummer for Buffalo, but an exciting game.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2020 at 11:56 AM
Good games yesterday. Comebacks, drama, questionable decisions by players and coaches. In fact after watching the games I wasn't ready to move on, I kept watching post game reliving what had just happened.

You absolutely never know what you are going to get from Houston...they are the kind of team that could beat the 72 Dolphins one week, then lose to the 0-16 Browns or Lions the next. What did I hear...Bill O'Brien has been shutout at home in the first half of 3 of his 4 playoff games. Buffalo really solid, but limited and Allen needs to mature more to be ready to lead them to a playoff win, Houston was plenty vulnerable and even seemed to play right into their hands late in the game. Buffalo sacked Watson, 6 times I think...but the one they missed on allowed Houston to win. I thought it was an awesome performance by the Houston D late, they were on the field so much in the final minutes of 4th and then OT. How abou that blindside block, took Buf out of FG range in OT. So many things to replay in your head on game changing plays.

NE's top D got pushed around like they were high schoolers on the play ground. I think Belichick made really bad decision on that punt with :23 or whatever it was left. They came for the all out punt block, which is fine, but WTF was Edelman doing? He didn't come on the block and wasn't in position to receive the punt either, which hit at the 20 and bounced and rolled down to the 1. The deck was stacked against NE at that point anyway, but if you catch the ball at the 20 and manage 7-10 yards then maybe you give Brady a shot at completing two passes and attempting a prayer FG. He was asked in the PC, but the way the guy asked it allowed Belichick to give a typical I don't want to talk about it answer.

It was a bad game for Brady...oh man the illegal downfield on that OL negated perhaps NE's biggest play of the game at a time they really needed it. How about Edelman dropping that one pass on NE's second to last possession? Tannehill completing that 3rd down pass to the kid from Harvard. Brady's last pass as a Patriot, maybe, was a pick-six.

So much to chew on from yesterday. Really enjoyed it. Hope we get more of the same today.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 08:43 AM
And that's why they play the games...Sunday didn't disappoint either. I'm glad I didn't lay any money down because I would have been 1-3.

Everyone knows the Vikings are a solid team, but the Saints looked oddly terrible yesterday, at home no less, having to catch up by 10 points in the 4th quarter just to stay even for OT. Kirk Cousins can throws a nice looking pass once in a while, but Brees looked like more of a liability. He's 41 and Bridgewater/Hill make an exciting combo.

Even the Eagles were able to make it interesting by staying in the game with their 80 year-old backup QB against an above-average Seahawks team. Oddly enough, the Eagles lost to the Seahawks by the same score during the regular season with Wentz. I wonder what they will do with Wentz, starting to think he must be Italian.

SF-MINN
I think Minnesota's magic ends in the Bay. 49ers defensive front will be too much for Cousins and Cook.

TN-BALT
The Titans are surging but it won't be enough to stop Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.

HOUS-KC
Chiefs are too good, Texans still won't get past the Divisional round.

GB-SEA
This is a tough one. Neither team is what it was a few years ago, with both going through a rebuild. Seattle doesn't have much of a running game and the Packers pass rush is pretty solid. If Wilson gets the long-ball game going and Rodgers doesn't, Packers are in trouble. I'm taking the Packers at home. We will see what LaFleur is made of.

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  posted on 1/6/2020 at 03:30 PM
McC is the new Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys. As a Packers fan with no love for the Cowboys, I'm pretty curious to see how this pans out. The recent trend is to go young - Vrabel, LaFleur, McVay - so it's interesting Jerry wants someone with more experience. It makes sense since GM Ted Thompson gathered chess pieces in GB, McCarthy was never a personnel guy, so he should stay out of Jerry's lane. However, no head coach has ever won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams (Weeb Ewbank won an NFL Championship with the Giants and a Super Bowl with NY Jets, both pre-merger; Don Shula won an NFL Championship with the Colts and a Super Bowl with the Dolphins).

McCarthy had a lot of success in Green Bay while many other franchises burned through coaching staffs. However, he was never seen as a major part of Green Bay's success - more often, his predictable play-calling holding the team back during Aaron Rodgers' tenure. That's mostly due to expectations - 4 NFC Championship appearances in 13 seasons, with 1 win (1 on a Favre pick, 1 a blow out to a much better Falcons team, and 1 a total 4th quarter meltdown). However, because McCarthy was so green when he took over in 2006, there is nothing to compare it to.

Now we will find out if it's the chicken or the egg - was McC given all the pieces and squander them or did he coach them to greatness and get blamed because coaches can't take the field?

McCarthy took the Favre-lead Packers to the NFC Championship in his 2nd season as head coach. He quickly took Aaron Rodgers-lead Packers to the Super Bowl in Rodgers' 3rd season as starting QB. Meanwhile, Favre quickly took the Vikings to the NFC Championship in his 2nd season there (both of Favre's final NFC Championship games ended in Favre-like fashion). Now LaFleur has taken Rodgers and the Packers to a #2 seed in the playoffs in his first season.

I'm actually pretty fascinated to see what McC, who is supposed to be a QB's coach, does with Preskott. The NFC East is theirs for the taking.

The timings is curious: some Eagels fans have joked that it was during their playoff game, but had the Vikings lost, would Jerry have gone after Zimmer? Was McCarthy in his back pocket?

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 03:29 AM
It was not the beating I envisioned,but thank God NE was put down. Nice to see Henrys cleat marks all over them and Vrabel out coach Belicheat.

If Brady leaves,welcome to the bottom of the AFC East Patty fans. The poor division they have been stacking wins against for many years.
It has nothing to do with being jealous/enviousness of them(I know NE fans want to believe that) It's the putrid arrogance of the M **** fanbase.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 09:32 AM
Wis608: always a ray of sunshine.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 06:23 PM
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And that's why they play the games...Sunday didn't disappoint either. I'm glad I didn't lay any money down because I would have been 1-3.

Everyone knows the Vikings are a solid team, but the Saints looked oddly terrible yesterday, at home no less, having to catch up by 10 points in the 4th quarter just to stay even for OT. Kirk Cousins can throws a nice looking pass once in a while, but Brees looked like more of a liability. He's 41 and Bridgewater/Hill make an exciting combo.

Even the Eagles were able to make it interesting by staying in the game with their 80 year-old backup QB against an above-average Seahawks team. Oddly enough, the Eagles lost to the Seahawks by the same score during the regular season with Wentz. I wonder what they will do with Wentz, starting to think he must be Italian.

SF-MINN
I think Minnesota's magic ends in the Bay. 49ers defensive front will be too much for Cousins and Cook.

TN-BALT
The Titans are surging but it won't be enough to stop Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.

HOUS-KC
Chiefs are too good, Texans still won't get past the Divisional round.

GB-SEA
This is a tough one. Neither team is what it was a few years ago, with both going through a rebuild. Seattle doesn't have much of a running game and the Packers pass rush is pretty solid. If Wilson gets the long-ball game going and Rodgers doesn't, Packers are in trouble. I'm taking the Packers at home. We will see what LaFleur is made of.

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Not to sound like a know it all but I don't know how you could have been 1-3 because one was a tie. Unless your line was different of course.

I thought it was a great weekend. I don't care who wins it but I must say it was entertaining. I went 2 -1 -1 and I think I was lucky there. Gotta give Minny credit for pulling that out. Tough call on that last play.

NE was the game I lost. Brady didn't play BAD but there just didn't seem to be anything there. Too bad for Wentz. Tough call on that play.

Looking forward to this weekend. Got a couple days to think about who I like.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 06:43 PM
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Not to sound like a know it all but I don't know how you could have been 1-3 because one was a tie. Unless your line was different of course.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not a gambler, the lines/over/under/points stuff is all arbitrary to me. I just like football and picking winners and losers, and there are no ties in the playoffs.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2020 at 07:23 PM
I liked NO and KC. So much for that. If they survive, and they should, KC v Balt should be an awesome game. NFC...tough call. Can't see GB winning in SF.

I'm pullin' for Andy Reid.

 
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