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  posted on 4/5/2020 at 06:07 PM
Itís one of my favorite replays, as it probably is for many sports fans
Article I read didnít say whose record he broke, or by how much - seem to recall he broke the old record by a lot
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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 07:53 AM
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Article I read didnít say whose record he broke, or by how much - seem to recall he broke the old record by a lot

He set that record in 1970, right after the merger at a time when the NFL was still just starting to keep some records.

Taking a quick look at the NFL record books, George Blanda's had a 1961 record of 55 yards. That tells you how old it was - the long-time Bears QB was at the end of his career in the the young AFL playing for the Houston Oilers. Assuming the NFL wasn't counting AFL records, the next highest is 55 yarder made in 1969 by - New Orleans' Tom Dempsey.

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 08:40 AM
Sad about Tom Dempsey. Throughout my childhood his kick was one of the records I always remembered. I forgot he was born without toes on one foot. Pretty amazing. RIP.

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 09:25 AM
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The Browns have been such a disaster since they re-entered the league. Management must be wildly dysfunctional to fail to put anything together in 2 decades, even by accident. Meanwhile it has to hurt to watch your old coach build a dynasty elsewhere and your former franchise win 2 Super Bowls.

At least they get new uniforms that reportedly are more "classic" Browns.


Yeah, they are a total mess. I almost feel bad for them but being a Lion fan for 40 years, we have had our pains as well.

I never thought Mayfield was a good pick. They were fun to watch in the 90s. But is has been about 25 years since that. Painful.

And I actually like their uniforms.

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 09:52 AM
I Always Root For The Browns (my dad was from Cleveland)
But ďfun to watch in the 90sĒ? are we talking about the same Browns team?? Hehe -

havenít had a sniff ever since Bill Nelson was handing off to Leroy Kelly or passing to WRs Homer Jones & Fair Hooker (watta name), & great TE Milt Morin - dug the retro unis they wore last season

actually the Bernie Kosar teams w/Kevin Mack, Ernest Byner etc were OK - known forever for The Drive, & Bynerís Fumble

I say bring back Brady Quinn, he wasnít mentioned in that link jszfunk posted of the long line of modern-era Browns QBs

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 01:44 PM
Wow, no pass interference reviews?

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nfl-almost-certainly-to-not-renew-pass-inte rference-review-rule-for-second-season-170013395.html

Not sure what to think of this.

 

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  posted on 4/6/2020 at 02:12 PM
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Sad about Tom Dempsey. Throughout my childhood his kick was one of the records I always remembered. I forgot he was born without toes on one foot. Pretty amazing. RIP.


Being a life long Saints fan, I can recall Tex Schramm (Cowboys owner at the time) putting up a stink about Dempsey having an "Unfair" advantage because of the metal plate in his boot....

I will never forget the day Tom made that kick. Living in the bay area and growing up wearing the Black and Gold, I was excited as hell to talk about Tom's 63 yarder the next day in school. Approaching a fellow student I knew to be a big NFL fan, I asked "How about that FG"?! His reply was that George Blanda was incredible. Blanda, who was 45 or so at the time had kicked a long FG to win a game for the Raiders on the same day....... Just kind of shows how invisible the Saints and their fans were for their first 15+ years in the league.....

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1970 would be his first issued card, which I don't have. 1979 is his last card, which I do have.

Here is the what the back of the 1971 card says:

"On November 9, 1970, Tom kicked a 63-yard field goal to help the Saints defeat the Lions 19-17 in the last two seconds. It was the longest field goal in NFL history, breaking the mark of 56-yards held by Bert Rechichar of the Colts against the Bears, 9-27-53. The field goal, which was Tom's fourth of the game, broke a barrier. The 60-plus-yard field goal attempt had been routine on pro practice fields and although it will never become routine in a game, it is now likely to be tried more often from time to time and when game situations warrant it. Tom won the Saints' kicking job in the 1969 preseason game against the Broncos when he booted 3-pointers from 54, 49 and 12-yard lines. He kicked 4 field goals each in wins over the Giants & Eagles in 1969."

Notes from other cards:

1972: "...set new Eagles' record with a 52-yarder for one of 3 FG's in 23-20 win vs Lions Dec 4th 1971. Kicked 4 FGs in 19-7 win vs Cardinals Dec 12th, one going 54 yards to break the club record he established the previous week."

1973: "...led league with .706 Field Goal Pct"

1974: "Tom is an account executive in the off-season"

 

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  posted on 4/8/2020 at 07:42 AM
Digging the old sports trading cards. Use to have tons, wish I still did. Never really had a real valuable one, except a rookie Tony Dorsett .

Seeing the Tom Dempsey pic reminded me of a Gorman Thomas card from the Brewers I had.

 

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  posted on 4/8/2020 at 12:20 PM
Buccaneers have "new" uniforms. They basically went back to their Dungy/Gruden-era digs. Not earth-shattering, but at least they ditched the ugly alarm clock-style eye sores they've been wearing.





So one Nike dumpster fire fixed, only for them to reveal they uglied up the Falcons' uniforms (with the exception of the throwback). White unitards are not a good look.

 

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  posted on 4/8/2020 at 12:25 PM
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Buccaneers have "new" uniforms. They basically went back to their Dungy/Gruden-era digs. Not earth-shattering, but at least they ditched the ugly alarm clock-style eye sores they've been wearing.





So one Nike dumpster fire fixed, only for them to reveal they uglied up the Falcons' uniforms (with the exception of the throwback). White unitards are not a good look.




Should have went back to the old 70's creamsicle orange and white!

 

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  posted on 4/8/2020 at 01:34 PM
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Should have went back to the old 70's creamsicle orange and white!


They were ugly, but there was nothing else like 'em.

 

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  posted on 4/8/2020 at 03:32 PM
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Digging the old sports trading cards. Use to have tons, wish I still did. Never really had a real valuable one, except a rookie Tony Dorsett .

Seeing the Tom Dempsey pic reminded me of a Gorman Thomas card from the Brewers I had.




Some useless information for you: this card is from 1980 (you probably knew that) and that photo was taken in Tiger Stadium. Having grown up outside of Detroit I knew that place like the back of my hands.

Anyway, for some reason I never learned, Topps photographed most of the 1980s American League photos in Tiger Stadium. I was always curious as to why but I never found the person that could tell me why. I assume they had a good local photographer in Detroit.

 

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But ďfun to watch in the 90sĒ? are we talking about the same Browns team?? Hehe -



Sorry Stephen! I meant the 80s. Those good teams that just couldn't quite get over the hump. Felt bad for Brian Sipe. Always liked that guy for some reason.

 

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  posted on 4/8/2020 at 03:47 PM
Nebish - pretty cool that you have those! You might recall that back then for football cards, they didn't issue one for every player, every season. I don't know if there are any gaps with Dempsey but there are for a lot of players, especially the "non skilled" guys.

My best kicker card is a George Blanda from 1962 that I bought in a coin shop of all places. I want to say it was a Fleer. This guy had a few cards and I gave him a buck for it.

 

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  posted on 4/9/2020 at 12:54 PM
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Nebish - pretty cool that you have those! You might recall that back then for football cards, they didn't issue one for every player, every season. I don't know if there are any gaps with Dempsey but there are for a lot of players, especially the "non skilled" guys.

My best kicker card is a George Blanda from 1962 that I bought in a coin shop of all places. I want to say it was a Fleer. This guy had a few cards and I gave him a buck for it.


Right, I use this website to find the years players had cards during their active careers:
http://www.sportscarddatabase.com/CardPlayerList.aspx?sp=3

Then in my binder I try to leave appropriate blanks in the pages to add the missing card in the future.

I suspect that the coming months/year are going to lead to less demand and some good prices for sports cards.

To accumulate a lot these semi-stars (like Ken Anderson) or contributors (like Dempsey), is I try and buy a near complete set or a set without some of the key cards. Like I am missing a lot of 1976 cards, so I should look to buy a 76 set without the Payton rookie and then the remaining cards in the set have a pretty low average cost. I want them in nice shape, ExMt or NM, but once you take a couple key cards out of a set the remaining cards bought in bulk get pretty cheap. Ebay is the primary source.

I'm in my mid-40s and can remember collecting cards back as early as 1984 (which was a big year for NFL rookies). We had a coin shop about a mile from my house, I'd save some bucks and walk up there every now and then and look through these binders of cards they had and pick out my favorites...Sayers, Tarkenton, Staubach, etc. Back in the mid 80s to sometime before 89 cards were pretty cheap. Then it got pretty crazy. Like I specifically remember my cousing having a TON of 1980 and 1981 cards with several Joe Montana rookies. I paid $9 for a few, then when the 1989 boom hit, that card skyrocketed to $80, then $120 and even as high as $200. I remember my cousin saying "hey I know what those Montana's are worth", I'm like well they were $9 when you sold them to me. Some time in the late 80s when the hobby exploded my Dad started to share my interest and he and I would go to shows together. You mentioned Blanda, I remember a show him and I went to there was a '54 Blanda rookie that for some reason I was drawn to, but it would've taken all the money I had to buy it, so I opted for quantity over that one singular card. Well, my Dad went back and bought that card for me and gave it to me later as a gift. I really like that memory. He never had any cards as a kid, but he liked we had something we could do together before I lost interest in doing stuffy with parents. Still have that card, although ungraded card values in average condition tanked. Might be worth 1/2 to 3/4 what it was worth then. Graded cards are all the rage now. That's a whole 'nother story.

My wife took a short trip to the Pro Football Hall of Fame earlier this year (living in NE Ohio has it's advantages). They had a whole display for the Dan Hunt (Lamar's son) card collection. Pretty interesting if you aren't aware of what they have assembled.
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2016/07/05/how-the-most-valuable- and-historically-extensive-football-card-collection-was-built-by-dan-hunt-r obert-casterline/

 

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  posted on 4/9/2020 at 05:50 PM
Cool site.

I used to do the same thing when trying to fill up a book with all the cards of a particular player. Then I started to collect the complete team sets of the Tigers all the way back to the 50s so I had to re-do my Al Kalines and put them with the teams by years.

That's a great idea for trying to complete sets. I did the same thing myself. I could pick up anywhere from 200-400 cards from a set pretty cheap (anywhere from $25-$50 at the time) and then work my way from there. I would purchase or trade for the expensive stars. I used to be concerned with condition but then I decided if the card wasn't in horrible condition and I just wanted it for a set and I had no intention of selling it, I lowered my standards. For anything I needed to sell or use as trade bait, of course condition is key. I think the card grading idea is a bunch of crap.

Those 80s football rookies were indeed valuable. I had a bunch of unopened 1984 Topps football wax packages years ago. I don't recall what I got for them but I figured the odds of me pulling any of those rookies were not as good as me selling the packs themselves. I probably got more for them than you would get for them today.

I totally agree with you about today's market. Definitely a buyer's market. The card companies killed the goose by running the presses 25 hours a day. Almost anything after about 1985 isn't worth crap (with some exceptions). If someone just wants to build a collection this is a great time to do so.

I've always wanted to put my complete sets in binders but there is no way in hell I have the room for it so they are all still in those long white boxes.

 

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  posted on 4/13/2020 at 01:50 PM
Lots of rare and interesting items in this very large sports collectible auction:

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/Lots/Gallery

 

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  posted on 4/13/2020 at 02:40 PM
RIP Tavaris Jackson, former Vikings and Seahawks QB.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29029379/former-vikings-seahawks-qb-tar varis-jackson-dies-car-accident

 

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  posted on 4/13/2020 at 02:43 PM
Colts updated their uniforms, in subtle fashion. When you have classic uniforms, you don't mess with them.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29029895/colts-honor-home-state-tweaked -uniform-secondary-logo

 

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  posted on 4/14/2020 at 02:23 PM
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Lots of rare and interesting items in this very large sports collectible auction:

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/Lots/Gallery



Wow! I'd love to tour their warehouse. I can't believe how many tobacco cards they have. If I had a little more disposable income there are two 1950s Bowman baseball card "almost" sets I would bid on. I imagine some of the bids go way up in the last few minutes of the auction, just like on ebay.

 

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https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/Lots/Gallery



Wow! I'd love to tour their warehouse. I can't believe how many tobacco cards they have. If I had a little more disposable income there are two 1950s Bowman baseball card "almost" sets I would bid on. I imagine some of the bids go way up in the last few minutes of the auction, just like on ebay.


I always just try and sneak in at the end on the ebay auctions. One, it limits anyone outbidding me at the last second if I come in at the last second and two, it works as a true cap on what I'll bid - sometimes you can get caught up in the moment and spend more than you want. If I put my top bid in as time expires it guarantees I won't pay more than I wanted to in the heat of the moment when emotions might take over. I've read there are programs that can do that for you, something called sniper bidding or something. I just try and submit my bid with 3 seconds left, win some, lose some.

That Robert Edwards place has a ton of stuff. I signed up for a couple auction houses at some point, but have never bid. Robert Edwards actually publishes a full print catalog of their items, it's 600 pages on nice glossy thick stock paper. Yeah, they make some money on their auctions I'm sure.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2020 at 03:42 PM
Wow, what does the catalog cost? It would be neat just to have that.

 

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Wow, what does the catalog cost? It would be neat just to have that.


I'm going to let my cousin see it, whenever that is, but after that I can mail it to you if you want? It's actually a really nice book, I'm sure you would enjoy looking through it. Nearly 500 of the over 600 pages are baseball related. Contains nice photos of the items with a description, their opening bid and in most cases an estimated value of the items.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2020 at 04:03 PM
Sure, I'd love to see it!

Not surprising that the brunt is baseball. It is the predominant sport with this stuff. I was surprised that there was so much hockey stuff. If there was more demand for the other three major sports the values of those would be worth way more. A helluva lot more baseball items were made than the other three sports.

 

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