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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 04:41 PM
I thought I would hate the new playoff format, since I think the current one works pretty well, but I don't completely. It solves the problem of those 10-6 teams that missed the postseason while 8-8 division winners sneaked in. Sucks the #2 seed no longer gets a bye, but maybe there will be fewer teams resting players in week 17. Speaking of, hopefully this means they will abandon talk of a 17th game. But I doubt that.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 04:47 PM
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Carolina releases Cam Newton rather unceremoniously for a guy who holds so many of Carolina's passing records (not that it can be hard to top Jake Delhomme and Kerry Collins as long you stick around for a few seasons).




Personally I can't really stand the guy. Him walking out of a press conference because they lost a big game just made me think he is a baby. Very talented but a prima donna. His history speaks for itself. If someone like Urban Meyer kicks you off a team, that says something.

Having said that, I agree with you. If Carolina knew they didn't want them they should have let him go a long time ago before all these QB positions got filled. I have no idea but I wonder if one the the higher ups in the organization did it on purpose.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 04:53 PM
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Philip Rivers = not a Hall of Famer. Stats are skewed in today's game, stats don't make a great QB. Can think of a lot of better QBs who have been forgotten through the years, like Ken Anderson to name just one.


Philip Rivers = Hall of Famer in my book. Probably borderline but I would put him in. And yes, stats are different now than they were 20,30,40 years ago because teams ran the ball more. If you look at Terry Bradshaw's numbers, you could probably make a case for a more recent guy over him.

Ken Anderson? Decent QB but no way would I put him in The Hall. Bengals got to a Super Bowl so I think that is why some might want to put him in. He did have some decent years in the early 80s but I don't think that equates to a HOFer.

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 05:00 PM
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I thought I would hate the new playoff format, since I think the current one works pretty well, but I don't completely. It solves the problem of those 10-6 teams that missed the postseason while 8-8 division winners sneaked in. Sucks the #2 seed no longer gets a bye, but maybe there will be fewer teams resting players in week 17. Speaking of, hopefully this means they will abandon talk of a 17th game. But I doubt that.


I think it is fine as is. Going to a 17th game is going to create a bigger problem as teams are going to get in the playoffs because they played one more home game. Unless every team plays a game on a neutral field (which I have seen suggested) things really aren't going to be fair from that standpoint.

Nothing is going to please everyone. Should a team that wins its division with a 9-7 or 8-8 record get a home game over a team that wins 10 or 11 games? It just happened. They could just seed everyone in each of the two leagues I suppose though I doubt that will happen.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 05:11 PM
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. Speaking of, hopefully this means they will abandon talk of a 17th game. But I doubt that.


I am kinda ,meh, on the new playoffs...whatever. But that is the first thing I thought pcb, I hope it squashes the 17th game. Not needed.

As far as the Rivers talk...well I live here in the Indy area. Just waiting to see what will happen. I don't think the Colts are that close to really doing something by adding Rivers. He might make a difference for sure, but as far as a post season deep run,dunno. I would hope so. I like Rivers, I think he is a good QB, but not sure how much he has left in the tank and his arm. Maybe 5 yrs younger I would be all in.
Darn you Andrew Luck!!! Just kidding ,I don't hold it against him. He made the best decision for him , his body and his family. I don't blame him.

It will interesting to see how TB does with the Bucs and how the greatest coach of all time in NE can perform more magic.

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 06:16 PM
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I thought I would hate the new playoff format, since I think the current one works pretty well, but I don't completely. It solves the problem of those 10-6 teams that missed the postseason while 8-8 division winners sneaked in. Sucks the #2 seed no longer gets a bye, but maybe there will be fewer teams resting players in week 17. Speaking of, hopefully this means they will abandon talk of a 17th game. But I doubt that.


I didn't want the playoffs expanded too. But I actually like now that only the #1 seed gets a bye. 12 of 14 teams will have to win 3 playoff games to make the Superbowl. I'm not a huge fan of teams have to just win 2 games and they're in the Superbowl, where it was 4 out of 12 before. So I like that the number of teams getting an easier path to the SB has gone down. And good point about fewer teams resting players. Now imagine that the #2 seed in the last week can get the #1 seed, it's a big deal. Just like it was #3 seed trying to get the #2 seed, that desire will still be there on down the line as teams fight for home games and all. More competition is good, not more byes and wasted regular season games IMO.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 06:24 PM
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Philip Rivers = not a Hall of Famer. Stats are skewed in today's game, stats don't make a great QB. Can think of a lot of better QBs who have been forgotten through the years, like Ken Anderson to name just one.


Philip Rivers = Hall of Famer in my book. Probably borderline but I would put him in. And yes, stats are different now than they were 20,30,40 years ago because teams ran the ball more. If you look at Terry Bradshaw's numbers, you could probably make a case for a more recent guy over him.

Ken Anderson? Decent QB but no way would I put him in The Hall. Bengals got to a Super Bowl so I think that is why some might want to put him in. He did have some decent years in the early 80s but I don't think that equates to a HOFer.

Just my opinions.


For me, it's nice to talk about football in a time of year I don't even think about football. A nice little escape!

I put Philip Rivers in the Matt Stafford category, or something like Dave Krieg maybe.

HOF QBs, I think you look at the cumulative career. Consecutive starts is a big thing. And the career numbers are what they are, they require some perspective on how the game has evolved. But then you look, what about MVP(s). Did the QB ever lead the league in passing yards or passing ratings (comparing him to his peers of the era). And did said QB lead his time to post season success?

To me, Rivers is just a very good NFL QB. He is not a great QB by most measures (in my head). Maybe Philip Rivers is a better Bert Jones? Or maybe he's like a lesser version of Roman Gabriel?

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 06:36 PM
I didn't necessarily say I would put Ken Anderson in the HOF, although I might not argue against it either, maybe I would just be indifferent. He was certainly one of the better QBs of his era. My point is that I would put him as a better QB than Rivers on the resume ranking. Upon closer look, Anderson and Rivers might be pretty comparable, I give the nod to Anderson.
 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 06:39 PM
Wow here's a little nugget I found while looking at some accomplishments/stats:

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According to a study conducted at Pro Football Reference, the six greatest seasons of Ken Anderson's career are better than the six greatest seasons of every other quarterback in NFL history.


You know what they say about stats...

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 06:41 PM
I'll also note, causal referencing in my brain, I've lost more money betting on Philip Rivers than I have won. First mistake, betting on Philip Rivers.
 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 06:49 PM
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I put Philip Rivers in the Matt Stafford category, or something like Dave Krieg maybe.





Really?!?! Kreig as good as Rivers or Stafford? Granted, Kreig played on some lousy Seattle teams. I'll give him that but I don't think he was as good as Rivers or Stafford. Definitely not the same as Stafford. He gets criticized a lot but I think that is misguided. As a lifetime Lions fan I have to say that Stafford is the best QB they have had since Greg Landry if you can believe that.

The thing with Stafford that people rail on him about his interceptions. The thing with the Lions is they haven't had a running game since Barry Sanders. If the other team knows what you are going to do, well it's gonna happen.

With Calvin Johnson I suppose he could have put up better numbers. At least he was smart enough to get out of Dodge. Sanders too

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 07:05 PM
Ken Anderson is better than Stafford too!

Kinda makes me want to get out some of the old football cards!

Stafford is just all stats, another guy who makes plenty of bad decisions in the exact wrong time. I thought the Dave Krieg thing might make you laugh, but I do group them together. I thought about saying Jim Hart but on second thought, Rivers and Stafford are better than Hart...well maybe not Stafford. That is just the thing. We see all these modern day QBs who don't win any games but put up all these stats and we're like 'hey they're pretty good'....the NFL history book is littered with QBs who put up numbers on bad teams - doesn't make them special and doesn't make most HOFers.

Anyway, it's good having Rivers in the game still. His personality is good to have around, his on the field fire is good...and his bonehead decisions always make me laugh. Even know when it losses me a bet, I think "that's just Rivers being Rivers".

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 07:12 PM
Didn't Dave Kreig fumble all the time? An 80s version of Winston? I did like Kreig because I kind of felt bad for them since they were so bad. I also liked Steve Largent.

Jim Hart is a good one. Another guy that had to play on awful teams.

Back to Anderson: Remember the AFC Championship game before they went to the Super Bowl when his mustache was frozen to his face?

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 07:14 PM
He had a great stache!

Dave Krieg did fumble all the time. Somebody just passed him in the record books for fumbles I'm pretty sure. I should look that up - Edit Farve (166) most fumbles, Moon second (161) then Krieg (153), but Moon fumbled more in 5 less games (208) than Krieg (213). For reference Brady active leader with 121 in 285 games.



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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 07:35 PM
Looking at my Ken Anderson football cards now, I have all of them except for the 1976 card. According to these football card photos, he didn't grow the mustache until 1981 if the card photos are a accurate representation.




Some notes from the back:

1973 - A strong armed QB who performed very well for Bengals as a rookie in 1971...in 1972 was 5th leading passing QB in conference
1974 - Ken holds a degree in mathematics!
1975 - AFC's leading passer in 1974 (by rating)
1976 - x
1977 - AFC's leading passer in 1975 (by rating)
1978 - ranks among the very top QBs in pro football, and is beginning to take command of the NFL's all-time record book
1979 - 3x pro bowler
1980 -
1981 SB - set super bowl record with 25 completions
1981 - AFC's top rated passer
1982 - is associated with a real estate firm (LOL football cards)
1982 IA - enjoyed perhaps his finest season
1983 -
1983 - set new NFL record for completing 20 straight throws (DeBerg held former record at 18)
1984 - Ken has been in TV commercials (LOL again)
1985 - last card - a pinpoint passer with extreme accuracy

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 07:43 PM
Damn you are particular aren't you?

I have a bunch of those but no commentary. I have WAY too many baseball cards to go through to find the football ones. Plus my Anderson ones I didn't consider good enough to put into sleeves and binders.

Now Forrest Gregg, that's a different animal.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 07:49 PM
Well, good time to go through some things when there isn't much else to do right? Get those cards sorted!

I go through mine during football season every now and then and pick up some things off ebay to add in the binders.

I did go to an autograph sports show once and guess who was there?


 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 07:51 PM
He was no Jerry Kramer though.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 07:53 PM
I don't have any Jerry Kramer autographs.
 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 08:02 PM
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Well, good time to go through some things when there isn't much else to do right? Get those cards sorted!




You probably won't believe this but I have roughly a million baseball cards. Some off site. The majority aren't worth squat but I have them. I also have a bunch of unopened packs. Kids like opening them. So I just give a lot of them away. Organizations will take them.

I have quite a collection. Quite a few valuable. My oldest is from 1933. I don't have any tobacco cards. Been a fun hobby my whole life. My wife hates it. Takes up a ton of space.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2020 at 08:19 PM
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I don't have any Jerry Kramer autographs.


You need to come to Chicago. There's this guy that lives in the neighborhood. His name is "Green Bay Bill". He's really weird. But he knows the Packers like you would not believe. He personally knows every living member of the Packers from back in the day. Never been to his house but the pictures he has shown me are very impressive.

 

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  posted on 4/1/2020 at 08:12 AM
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Stafford is just all stats,


Oh, you mean Stat Padfford? Solid QB, the Lions are lucky to have consistency there for a decade, no doubt the Bears are jealous.

I think Rivers is better than Stafford, but probably not a HOFer. Not every above average QB should get in, it keeps the role players out (guys like Jerry Kramer who waited until 2018). Other than the game he played with a torn ACL, is there a classic Rivers game? That he won? I can't think of one.

 

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I put Philip Rivers in the Matt Stafford category, or something like Dave Krieg maybe.





Really?!?! Kreig as good as Rivers or Stafford? Granted, Kreig played on some lousy Seattle teams. I'll give him that but I don't think he was as good as Rivers or Stafford. Definitely not the same as Stafford. He gets criticized a lot but I think that is misguided. As a lifetime Lions fan I have to say that Stafford is the best QB they have had since Greg Landry if you can believe that.

The thing with Stafford that people rail on him about his interceptions. The thing with the Lions is they haven't had a running game since Barry Sanders. If the other team knows what you are going to do, well it's gonna happen.

With Calvin Johnson I suppose he could have put up better numbers. At least he was smart enough to get out of Dodge. Sanders too


I agree Lee about what you said about "Stafford is the best QB they have had since Greg Landry if you can believe that"

True.
Some of these teams just suffer for years through QB mediocrity. I am sure it can be painful.
Guys rolling in and out. Like I mentioned before it will be interesting to see what BB can do in NE now.

Got my curiosity up. Here is a link to the Lions history of starting QB's. I forgot about Purdue great
Gary Danielson.

List of Detroit Lions starting quarterbacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Detroit_Lions_starting_quarterbacks


Browns. Look at since about 1999-2000 and on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cleveland_Browns_starting_quarterback s

Packers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_Bay_Packers_starting_quarterbac ks

Colts(Balt and Indy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indianapolis_Colts_starting_quarterba cks

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  posted on 4/1/2020 at 01:48 PM
The Browns have been such a disaster since they re-entered the league. Management must be wildly dysfunctional to fail to put anything together in 2 decades, even by accident. Meanwhile it has to hurt to watch your old coach build a dynasty elsewhere and your former franchise win 2 Super Bowls.

At least they get new uniforms that reportedly are more "classic" Browns.

 

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  posted on 4/5/2020 at 05:49 PM
RIP Tom Dempsey, due to Coronavirus. Held the record for longest FG kick for decades.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tom-dempsey-legendary-nfl-kicker-dead-after- coronavirus-bout-at-age-73

 

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