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  posted on 7/20/2019 at 01:21 PM
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Mad about how you got schooled a little while ago, or is it that you still don't have an inkling about what I posted since you don't have very good reading comprehension?

So you admit that she is a race baiting, knee jerk, radical content posting dweeb?


Keep going after the girl ya big puss.


Still no grasp on that reading comprehension, huh?

You're the one that said she was.
Your Quote: "They are both behaving the same"

Think on it.

 

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I find it interesting that constituents of these four are so easily swayed by ideologies with little basis in existing American culture and values. Somalia? Seriously? Raise your hand if you, with your educational background, could vote for someone espousing thoughts Germaine to their country of origin. This has ZERO to do with their being women and everything to do with the ignorant people who voted for them.

 

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Yes, i was posting about Ilhan Omar. You noted that your post was about Melania Trump after my post was made. Matter of fact almost exactly 3 hours after my post.
1) So it's racist to think that a child of 4 years old would know why her family was leaving their home to live in a refugee camp? Did you know what was going on when you were 4 years old?
2) Your reading comprehension must be one of your lowest priorities. Read again about why I think she needs to understand why our free speech is so important.
3) Again, reading comprehensively. Let her try our freedom of speech in Somalia and see where it gets her.
4) Man, you really need to learn to read through a post before responding (kneejerk response possibly). Did you read the part "Also, ALL INVOLVED need to learn there are consequences for speaking radically." Think on that for a moment. Did I point out any one person, or did I point out ALL INVOLVED in the exchange?
5) Are you a racist since you just don't seem to like people of Scottish heritage.

You also need to get some facts about the people you post about. Check their biographies, you know, like, date of birth, when they left Somalia, how long they were in a refugee camp, when they migrated to the US, when they applied for citizenship, things like that.


You are replying to the wrong person. I assume you are talking to me since you wrote "You noted that your post was about Melania Trump" Somewhere around here I said I DID NOT think the President's tweets were racist. Stupid and sociopathic, yes, racist no. So maybe back off on the reading comprehension and knee jerk stuff? Looks like you needed the spectacles and jumped the gun, to me.

Also, I have a lot of Scottish, MacGillivray, dead at Culloden fighting British imperial slime like Trump. My folks were in Jamestown 1621, Stouts, direct descendant of a member of Washington's cabinet, Oregon Trail, both sides of Civil War, on and on, proud American.

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I find it interesting that constituents of these four are so easily swayed by ideologies with little basis in existing American culture and values. Somalia? Seriously? Raise your hand if you, with your educational background, could vote for someone espousing thoughts Germaine to their country of origin. This has ZERO to do with their being women and everything to do with the ignorant people who voted for them.


Do you see yourself as the only authority on American culture and values? If so, what have those four done to directly threaten the culture and values?

Or, are you surprised to find that there are other views, or something?

 

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I find it interesting that constituents of these four are so easily swayed by ideologies with little basis in existing American culture and values. Somalia? Seriously? Raise your hand if you, with your educational background, could vote for someone espousing thoughts Germaine to their country of origin. This has ZERO to do with their being women and everything to do with the ignorant people who voted for them.


Whatever assumptions you are making about Somalia, realize that her family left Somalia to escape war. Do you think German Jews agreed with the ideologies of German Nazis? Or Polish Jews with Stalin and the Soviets? Or victims in Rwanda and their warring governments? Or Italians and Mussolini? By your logic, you lump everyone within the same borders together when often these people are victims of their own government's ideologies. And you're only addressing one of the four women of color he called out.

This has everything to do with ignorant people who are prejudiced against people they haven't bothered to learn anything about beyond what they think they see at face value. And there's a word for it. And these ignorant people voted for Trump.


 

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  posted on 7/20/2019 at 04:25 PM
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....thoughts Germaine to their......

"germane"

 

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  posted on 7/20/2019 at 04:45 PM
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Where they gonna send her back to? Mattel?


I would send her back where her family was from for a short period of time. Let her learn why her family became
refugees and came to the US, and why the American right to free speech is so important. Let her sound off at the conditions there and blame those in power. She would be return quickly with a new respect for the country.

Also, all involved need to learn there are consequences for speaking radically.


I still can't wrap my head around this way of thinking. Last time I read the constitution I don't remember anything about their being different classes of US citizens. Other than the ability of running for president, every citizen has the same rights. She is just as much a US citizen as you. She is just as American as you. Why don't you go back to where your family came from? Seriously, leave! America is a great melting pot. If you can't accept that, then America isn't for you. Unless you are native American or brought over as a slave, you are a decendent of immigrants. The Constitution gives no more rights to be here if your family came over 200 years ago or 20 years ago. Don't like it, then go somewhere else. America is for Americans...regardless of where that American's family originally came from. If you can't accept that, then there is a word for people like that...and you can probably figure out that word.

 

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I would send her back where her family was from for a short period of time. Let her learn why her family became
refugees and came to the US, and why the American right to free speech is so important. Let her sound off at the conditions there and blame those in power. She would be return quickly with a new respect for the country.

Also, all involved need to learn there are consequences for speaking radically.


This is disgustingly patronizing. I'm sure Omar recalls her family's flight from Somalia as a child, and to several other countries before landing in Virginia and then Minnesota. No doubt, she would be happy to teach you about it and explain that Trump's Administration attempts to see to it that refugees such as her are not welcome today. It is that respect, which you are ignorant of, that causes her to fight for her country

 

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  posted on 7/20/2019 at 06:20 PM
I doubt Trump would act this way and show bigotry if those immigrants were coming from Scandinavian countries. He even said that he prefers those from Norway over those from $hithole countries. Those are bragging words from Big Donald.

And we've all seen him him on the world stage basically drinking a white Russian.

 

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I would send her back where her family was from for a short period of time. Let her learn why her family became
refugees and came to the US, and why the American right to free speech is so important. Let her sound off at the conditions there and blame those in power. She would be return quickly with a new respect for the country.

Also, all involved need to learn there are consequences for speaking radically.


This is disgustingly patronizing. I'm sure Omar recalls her family's flight from Somalia as a child, and to several other countries before landing in Virginia and then Minnesota. No doubt, she would be happy to teach you about it and explain that Trump's Administration attempts to see to it that refugees such as her are not welcome today. It is that respect, which you are ignorant of, that causes her to fight for her country


I'd be glad to sit down and talk with her, as long as she is willing to discuss rather than rant. Also PorkChob, do you remember what was going on around you at 4 years of age. I doubt anyone really remembers anything going on when they are at that age, they just remember second hand knowledge.

Which country is she fighting for? US or Somalia? It's fine if she supports efforts to end the fighting, famine, and desecration of the Somali people.

As a US Rep, she would have the backing to ask questions-pointed questions-as to why there are still reasons for Somali citizens to feel the need to leave their country. Possibly able to add to sanctions and embargoes, Never know until she does go back and ask those questions, will we?

 

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  posted on 7/20/2019 at 08:00 PM
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Never know until she does go back and ask those questions, will we?




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  posted on 7/20/2019 at 11:49 PM
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Never know until she does go back and ask those questions, will we?


Ignorant fool. Get an education already.


Your reading comprehension is still atrocious, or do you just like to knee jerk post to see if you can get a reaction?
I think you need to go back to third grade, or find a third grade teacher to tutor you in comprehensive reading.
You used to be, or seemed to be one of the more intelligent posters here, but now I'm having to re-think my assessment of your intelligence.
Might be you are like me and have an injury and are posting under the "cloud of Morpheus" once in a while. Could be you have a problem at home and are taking out your frustrations on other posters. could be that you need help with mental issues.
I don't know if any of this is a problem for you since it is nothing of my business, but I do wonder what has happened to you.

Question: did you read the entire post before you responded?

 

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  posted on 7/21/2019 at 10:14 AM
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Never know until she does go back and ask those questions, will we?


Ignorant fool. Get an education already.


Your reading comprehension is still atrocious, or do you just like to knee jerk post to see if you can get a reaction?
I think you need to go back to third grade, or find a third grade teacher to tutor you in comprehensive reading.
You used to be, or seemed to be one of the more intelligent posters here, but now I'm having to re-think my assessment of your intelligence.
Might be you are like me and have an injury and are posting under the "cloud of Morpheus" once in a while. Could be you have a problem at home and are taking out your frustrations on other posters. could be that you need help with mental issues.
I don't know if any of this is a problem for you since it is nothing of my business, but I do wonder what has happened to you.

Question: did you read the entire post before you responded?


Your personal attacks here seem sorta Hitlerian. I just read that somewhere.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2019 at 10:29 AM
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Also PorkChob, do you remember what was going on around you at 4 years of age. I doubt anyone really remembers anything going on when they are at that age, they just remember second hand knowledge.

How could one forget? My father-in-law's family was kicked out of Egypt when he was young, he has not forgotten decades later. Bill Graham was young when he fled Europe, it was something he never forgot.

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Which country is she fighting for? US or Somalia?

That you think to ask is kind of the problem and reveals your ignorant prejudice. You can't have it both ways, either she doesn't remember fleeing war and grew up as a proud American, or she remembers the horrors of her youth fleeing her country.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2019 at 12:01 PM
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You used to be, or seemed to be one of the more intelligent posters here, but now I'm having to re-think my assessment of your intelligence.


Jerry it seems you still might have me mistaken for another poster, ever since I posted about Melania Trump. I haven't really been part of this argument

 

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Okay, I think Jerry was directing some his retorts to me, and the reason I did not respond as quickly as he wanted was that I have been away from home visiting my wife's 98-year-old grandmother for the weekend... not because I felt "schooled".

Jerry, all the Melania Trump references were in posts before your initial post - the ones after were trying to help you "get" the "Mattel" joke, so get off of the reading comprehension soapbox.

And yes, I agree with the poster who said that it is disgustingly patronizing to infer That Ilhan Omar does not understand why her family left Somalia, today as an adult, whether or not she had a full grasp of it when she was a child. You don't think that she would want to know and understand? Why would she be incapable of knowing these things?

Also, when has she said, "This is how things are done in Somalia, so that's how they should be done in America."? Come on, man... you're taking the bait form Trump a little too easily.

Look, Trump just can't resist the fight when it is against a person that checks all the boxes of what the racist chunk of his base would hate the most: non-white, non-male, non-christian, non-native, etc.

And... what do you think the consequences of "speaking radically" are? You never answered that one.

 

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Your reading comprehension is still atrocious, or do you just like to knee jerk post to see if you can get a reaction?
I think you need to go back to third grade, or find a third grade teacher to tutor you in comprehensive reading.
You used to be, or seemed to be one of the more intelligent posters here, but now I'm having to re-think my assessment of your intelligence.
Might be you are like me and have an injury and are posting under the "cloud of Morpheus" once in a while. Could be you have a problem at home and are taking out your frustrations on other posters. could be that you need help with mental issues.
I don't know if any of this is a problem for you since it is nothing of my business, but I do wonder what has happened to you.

Question: did you read the entire post before you responded?


Yes. Sounds like you donít like Trumpís style of communication when directed at you. Thatís the problem with Trump supporters - they love his style until it comes back at them. Then they melt.



[Edited on 7/21/2019 by Skydog32103]

 

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Your reading comprehension is still atrocious, or do you just like to knee jerk post to see if you can get a reaction?
I think you need to go back to third grade, or find a third grade teacher to tutor you in comprehensive reading.
You used to be, or seemed to be one of the more intelligent posters here, but now I'm having to re-think my assessment of your intelligence.
Might be you are like me and have an injury and are posting under the "cloud of Morpheus" once in a while. Could be you have a problem at home and are taking out your frustrations on other posters. could be that you need help with mental issues.
I don't know if any of this is a problem for you since it is nothing of my business, but I do wonder what has happened to you.

Question: did you read the entire post before you responded?


My apologies for the personal insults. I went over the line. it just burns me up to see the president of the united states verbally abuse american women, who by nature are in a weaker position than he is (as is everyone). it saddens me that our country has come to this. look at the character of every president who has come before him and compare it to what we see and hear from him on a daily basis. it's simply a huge black eye on united states history. and it saddens me to see all the cowards in our country play the scapegoat game and hire him to do their dirty deeds. even the most conservative business owners i know wouldn't allow behavior like his in their place of business. they'd be fired and thrown out immediately...yet somehow it's acceptable for president of the united states. when pressed for an explanation, they cry obama this, obama that, as if they are somehow comparable. he's convinced conservatives that its ok for the president to behave like a court jester because a court jester made fun of him. "the court jester did it so why can't i?" and it seems like half the country says "yeah!! if rappers can do it then why can't Trump?" obama was so bad that the right needed to hire a thug to beat up Democrats? the end result is a president who has consistently attacked and abused countless americans and countless american institutions for about 4 years straight now.

the only reason people like trump is because he abuses people that they also don't like nothing more nothing less. policy my a$$. if a trump supporter would for once show some stinkin sincerity and honesty instead of disguising their message in code, like cowards, maybe they'd get an ounce of respect from the other side.


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You used to be, or seemed to be one of the more intelligent posters here, but now I'm having to re-think my assessment of your intelligence.


Jerry it seems you still might have me mistaken for another poster, ever since I posted about Melania Trump. I haven't really been part of this argument


I was responding to Skydog.

 

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Also PorkChob, do you remember what was going on around you at 4 years of age. I doubt anyone really remembers anything going on when they are at that age, they just remember second hand knowledge.

How could one forget? My father-in-law's family was kicked out of Egypt when he was young, he has not forgotten decades later. Bill Graham was young when he fled Europe, it was something he never forgot.

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Which country is she fighting for? US or Somalia?

That you think to ask is kind of the problem and reveals your ignorant prejudice. You can't have it both ways, either she doesn't remember fleeing war and grew up as a proud American, or she remembers the horrors of her youth fleeing her country.


how old were they when they left their home lands?

As for the second part. you obviously didn't read what was posted.

 

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how old were they when they left their home lands?


Here's the problem, no one wants to do their own home work any more. If you were actually curious and hadn't formed a prejudiced opinion, you would look this up yourself.

 

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Sometime in the spring I watched a documentary on the rise of Mussolini. The similarities are scary.

 

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Okay, I think Jerry was directing some his retorts to me, and the reason I did not respond as quickly as he wanted was that I have been away from home visiting my wife's 98-year-old grandmother for the weekend... not because I felt "schooled".

Jerry, all the Melania Trump references were in posts before your initial post - the ones after were trying to help you "get" the "Mattel" joke, so get off of the reading comprehension soapbox.

And yes, I agree with the poster who said that it is disgustingly patronizing to infer That Ilhan Omar does not understand why her family left Somalia, today as an adult, whether or not she had a full grasp of it when she was a child. You don't think that she would want to know and understand? Why would she be incapable of knowing these things?

Also, when has she said, "This is how things are done in Somalia, so that's how they should be done in America."? Come on, man... you're taking the bait form Trump a little too easily.

Look, Trump just can't resist the fight when it is against a person that checks all the boxes of what the racist chunk of his base would hate the most: non-white, non-male, non-christian, non-native, etc.

And... what do you think the consequences of "speaking radically" are? You never answered that one.



I guess we are going to have to start putting in "Quote from abcdefg" to keep things straight since some of this gets a little confusing when the quote may be from a post quoted from another poster.
Many of my later posts were in response to SkyDog

When did anybody say This is how things are done in Somalia?

I'm glad you said "chunk of his base" since not all of his supporters are racist. Some support him only due to their distrust of Dems and/or Clinton.

A 4 year old would not have the understanding of why something is happening, just knowing that changes have taken place. She would know second hand of what happened, that's why I said "send her back to where her family was from for a short period of time". Later, since some posters couldn't grasp what I was saying, I fleshed it out a little with "As a US Rep, she would have the backing to ask questions-pointed questions-as to why there are still reasons why Somali citizens feel the need to leave their country."
I guess some folks still don't understand-due to their racist thinking about anyone who doesn't come out and swear a blood oath to their point of view. They just knee-jerk answers to those who don't seem to support their anointed ones. (Note: Thar is an observation, not a personal attack. and not directed to you adhill.)

Most importantly, how is you grand-mother-in-law doing?

 

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how old were they when they left their home lands?


Here's the problem, no one wants to do their own home work any more. If you were actually curious and hadn't formed a prejudiced opinion, you would look this up yourself.


Ok, let me do some homework.

Bill Graham was born in Russia, sent to a Berlin orphanage along with his younger sister. They went to a French orphanage (Bill was 8 years old) and they were part of a group later called One Thousand Children who were emigrated to the US. He was accepted in a foster home at age 10.
His father died 2 days after he was born, his mother died in Auschwitz, his sister died on the boat to the US.
His older sisters Rita, Evelyn, Sonia, and and Ester survived the Holocaust.

He was called Wolfgang when he was young, so thus the name of "Wolfgang's Vault".


What was/is your father-in- laws full name. Can't look it up if I don't know his name.

 

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My apologies for the personal insults. I went over the line. it just burns me up to see the president of the united states verbally abuse american women, who by nature are in a weaker position than he is (as is everyone). it saddens me that our country has come to this. look at the character of every president who has come before him and compare it to what we see and hear from him on a daily basis. it's simply a huge black eye on united states history. and it saddens me to see all the cowards in our country play the scapegoat game and hire him to do their dirty deeds. even the most conservative business owners i know wouldn't allow behavior like his in their place of business. they'd be fired and thrown out immediately...yet somehow it's acceptable for president of the united states. when pressed for an explanation, they cry obama this, obama that, as if they are somehow comparable. he's convinced conservatives that its ok for the president to behave like a court jester because a court jester made fun of him. "the court jester did it so why can't i?" and it seems like half the country says "yeah!! if rappers can do it then why can't Trump?" obama was so bad that the right needed to hire a thug to beat up Democrats? the end result is a president who has consistently attacked and abused countless americans and countless american institutions for about 4 years straight now.

the only reason people like trump is because he abuses people that they also don't like nothing more nothing less. policy my a$$. if a trump supporter would for once show some stinkin sincerity and honesty instead of disguising their message in code, like cowards, maybe they'd get an ounce of respect from the other side.


[Edited on 7/21/2019 by Skydog32103]


Didn't think they were personal attacks, just knee-jerk reactions like I've seen a lot of happening lately when people don't actually read the posts, they just see what they want to see.
I didn't like the coward responses, but then again, nothing I haven't seen before.
Ya gotta remember I was a principle in the Fence Fund Mafia and look at all the abuse we got back then.

We have got to tone down the sometimes viscous responses to posters. We've lost too many good people here on both sides of the "debates" because of the way some others respond to their posts and the cyber-bullying that sometimes came along with it.

Too many posters assumed I was taking up for Trump. That's where the reading comprehension remarks came from. They obviously didn't read the posts as written, but as they wanted to see them, as support for Trump. Those that did so responded on a false assumption.

Everyone who came back with, I guess I'll have to use a childish response, "snotty" posts, needs to go back and re-read the posts and maybe they will understand what I was saying this time.

Remember, that just because you don't trash Trump doesn't mean you like his ways of doing some things, or support him in all things.

PS: Did you infer that Obama was a court jester?

 

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