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  posted on 6/26/2019 at 11:36 AM
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Coot - Yes, I understand that. We're talking about a previous release of the original ABB. But I'm only aware of it being of one of the releases.


On at least one other, a song was altered and pieced together. Nothing major, however, it's from two sources, two very different dates.

The Nassau Coliseum was put together from the two separate nights of performances. It's not just May 1, 1973.

 

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  posted on 6/26/2019 at 12:02 PM
The Mountain Jam & Outskirts of Town on the Bear's Sonic Journals Feb. 1970 compilation are spliced together from two different shows.

The same as Elizabeth Reed on the Fillmore Concerts.

 

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  posted on 6/26/2019 at 04:05 PM
I'm pretty sure they spliced what they thought were 2 versions of IMOER together, then when they listened to the tapes is was actually the same version they spliced to itself.
The answer is in the complete Fillmore box set

 

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  posted on 6/26/2019 at 05:12 PM
The Warehouse 3/20/71 show is an excellent soundboard and commonly available. There are very good sounding audience tapes for 3/13/70, 6/5/71 as well. There are audience tapes of 12/31/70 and 9/16/71 shows and both show are spectacular performances. Perhaps these are what Butch was talking about.

 

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  posted on 6/26/2019 at 09:41 PM
I', surprised to this - I was at the 5/1/73 Nassau Coliseum show and Skip emailed me about it a few times, but never mentioned it being from 2different shows. I still have the ticket stub too.

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  posted on 6/27/2019 at 09:15 AM
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I', surprised to this - I was at the 5/1/73 Nassau Coliseum show and Skip emailed me about it a few times, but never mentioned it being from 2different shows. I still have the ticket stub too.

[Edited on 6/27/2019 by PeachNutt]


I attended the SPAC. show a month or so after Nassau and thought it was absolutely magnificent, an impression borne out by that archival release. It solidified the epiphany I experienced seeing the original lineup at the University of Vermont in late February of '71, about three weeks prior to the recording at Fillmore East (that latter show's setlist was once in the database here, but as of a check a couple weeks ago, no longer).

 

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  posted on 6/27/2019 at 04:55 PM
the 2/28/71 Fieldhouse show is absolutely a must have show. I don't consider the GD Merchandising release one of the ABB Archive shows in this discussion. That one is common knowledge as a spliced job.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2019 at 08:36 AM
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the 2/28/71 Fieldhouse show is absolutely a must have show.


definitely.
I am forever grateful to ther person I was trading with who just sent it to me

 

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  posted on 6/28/2019 at 04:36 PM
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the 2/28/71 Fieldhouse show is absolutely a must have show. I don't consider the GD Merchandising release one of the ABB Archive shows in this discussion. That one is common knowledge as a spliced job.
Man if there was a way to clean that one up really good it would be GOLD. My favorite by far in terms of performance.

 

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  posted on 6/29/2019 at 05:30 PM

So the release date has been pushed back already?! How do you announce a release date
one week and then push it back the next? JHC. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

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  posted on 6/29/2019 at 08:26 PM
I don't see any changes in the date. Sept 6th.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2019 at 09:01 AM
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So the release date has been pushed back already?! How do you announce a release date
one week and then push it back the next? JHC. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.


I understand Daryl's confusion.

The first announcement I saw had an August release date, 08-16-2019 I think. I don't remember if that was one from the band or from a magazine or something.

 

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  posted on 7/2/2019 at 09:24 AM
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So the release date has been pushed back already?! How do you announce a release date
one week and then push it back the next? JHC. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.


I understand Daryl's confusion.

The first announcement I saw had an August release date, 08-16-2019 I think. I don't remember if that was one from the band or from a magazine or something.


I do believe the initial posting @ Jambase had an August street date!?...I am all for waiting a bit for the curators to confirm the correct dates and venues, all the more so for premium sound quality---all to match the presumed splendor of the music!?!?!

 

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  posted on 7/5/2019 at 10:59 AM
I just hope it ships on time!!!!

 

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  posted on 8/16/2019 at 10:06 PM
Iím listening to WP on Sirius/XM right now. Itís great.

Might be the newness of it, but this is a very very cool version and evolved from the earlier versions.

Now I really want to hear it all.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2019 at 12:55 PM
Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!
 

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  posted on 8/18/2019 at 06:08 PM
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Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!


How do you know the sound quality is horrible and barely acceptable have you heard these discs yet or are you still venting about the date mix up? The tracks played on Sirius sounded very good quality to me when originally broadcast.

As far as the t-shirt goes you can buy the version without the shirt so why the beef?

And you mentioned LP's which I am pretty sure don't exist as of yet?

Listen I respect your disappointment in the date confusion but complaining about a release you haven't heard yet is irrational at best. Why not wait until you hear the thing before passing judgement?

 

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  posted on 8/18/2019 at 08:06 PM
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Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!


How do you know the sound quality is horrible and barely acceptable have you heard these discs yet or are you still venting about the date mix up? The tracks played on Sirius sounded very good quality to me when originally broadcast.

As far as the t-shirt goes you can buy the version without the shirt so why the beef?

And you mentioned LP's which I am pretty sure don't exist as of yet?

Listen I respect your disappointment in the date confusion but complaining about a release you haven't heard yet is irrational at best. Why not wait until you hear the thing before passing judgement?


As a matter of fact, i have heard the CD's start to finish in multiple systems...Crappy value-add T symptomatic of generally slipshod approach including annotation re dates etc..But ya know , if it doesn't matter to those making thses decisions, why should it matter to me!?

 

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  posted on 8/18/2019 at 09:20 PM
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Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!


How do you know the sound quality is horrible and barely acceptable have you heard these discs yet or are you still venting about the date mix up? The tracks played on Sirius sounded very good quality to me when originally broadcast.

As far as the t-shirt goes you can buy the version without the shirt so why the beef?

And you mentioned LP's which I am pretty sure don't exist as of yet?

Listen I respect your disappointment in the date confusion but complaining about a release you haven't heard yet is irrational at best. Why not wait until you hear the thing before passing judgement?


As a matter of fact, i have heard the CD's start to finish in multiple systems...Crappy value-add T symptomatic of generally slipshod approach including annotation re dates etc..But ya know , if it doesn't matter to those making thses decisions, why should it matter to me!?


Fair enough, but if you heard the official release CD's that we will be getting why not give us some details as to why the sound quality is subpar? I am not talking about the boots that have been circulating for ages I am talking about the box set CD's to be released in September.

If the sound sucks on these official CD's how about why they suck. These are 2 track SB tapes so why are they subpar? The tracks they played on Sirius that were supposedly from the 29th sounded at least as good as the other official bootleg releases from the Duane era IMHO so how would you compare them?

And if you are on the inside and got copies early why not complain to those in charge directly since you seem to have some pull?

As far as you caring about the tshirt you don't seem to like and the confusion about the dates, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and dissatisfaction but share what you heard and educate the rest of us who have not heard all 4CD's.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2019 at 09:27 PM
fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by DOVETAIL]

 

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  posted on 8/19/2019 at 04:11 AM
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fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by DOVETAIL]


Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck?

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]

 

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  posted on 8/19/2019 at 09:09 AM
The keytar is buried in the mix.
 

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  posted on 8/19/2019 at 09:17 AM
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fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by DOVETAIL]


Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck?

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]


Simply considering the audience, my man, one that brings to mind that which the late Jim Morrison yelled at the audience that fateful night in Miami!?!? And that's not to mention "those in charge:" "the executioner's face is always well hidden" as Dylan so astutely observed and those who executed FW '71 may be those same individuals who couldn't command enough respect from the band in 2014 to mount a respectable farewell tour. The credits that appear on the package, as well as the ones that DON'T, tell a story all their own.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2019 at 09:18 AM
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fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by DOVETAIL]


Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck? ..because Dovetail is a troll. Donít take the bait nor feed it. Even if not trolling, the Dove is entitled to his/her opinion...it doesnít matter; because weíre still going to buy it. A new Duane-era official release to commemorate the 50th is a mandatory purchase. Letís let our ears be the judge. Exciting stuff and hereís hoping BOís Tractor plunking, GAís organ and Jai Ďs cymbals are prominent in the mix! (...and itís pressed to vinyl too!)

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]

 

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  posted on 8/19/2019 at 09:20 AM
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The keytar is buried in the mix.

Well, there's faux pas and there's faux pas...which is no doubt the source of the cliche 'name your poison'

 
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