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  posted on 2/28/2020 at 04:20 PM
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I don’t see evidence of facism or the Fatherland of Nazi Germany coming into our society - these to me mean gas chambers, branding people w/numbers on their bodies, the wholesale extermination of people in the name of creating One Genetically Superior race of man

If however we are lurching toward that, & many believe we are, then I would join the popular uprising for the removal right now of the president - but, w/disrespect to none, don’t think we are - don’t see Trump as a Hitler-disciple dictator -
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Great argument:

"I can still find examples of how Hitler and the Nazis were worse than Trump and his followers are, so how is it fair to say Trump is not what we should want in a POTUS and/or anything but a perfect gentleman?"

 

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  posted on 2/28/2020 at 04:28 PM
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An avid gun enthusiast who was showing signs of paranoia at work, are 2 glaring signs...far from out of the blue. Failure to recognize these red flags and threats are part of the problem.

Back to back adhill’s point, I think he’s just asking the other poster for an explanation on the double standard surrounding the Democratic policies being discussed. [Edited on 2/28/2020 by Skydog32103]

Yes, we're going a bit off-topic, but you make an excellent point that the shooter's mental instability (more than a year-long dispute w/another employee escalating into paranoia that led coworkers to joke about wearing tin foil hats, lawsuit v. company's health plan & chronic unrelieved pain) may not have been present at the time of gun purchase. What's more useful in such a situation is knowing the signs of a change in mental status & acting. 72-hour psych holds to evaluate if someone is a danger to himself of others often originate at the workplace even if the underlying problem developed elsewhere in the patient's life (i.e., physical illness). A gun enthusiast everyone KNEW was making bizarre accusations (coworkers breaking into his home, moving chairs around in his house) isn't "out-of-the-blue." He was a "when" it was going to happen.

Back on topic, "How does this affect you?" isn't a question that furthers useful conversation. Public policy from either party is just that - for the benefit of the public. Otherwise, there are 331mm answers to that question.


I agree that "how does this affect you?" is a useless question. I was simply using V's own quote to remind him of how he was reacting to someone on the other side doing what he was currently doing. I do find this line of questioning funny coming from a right-winger when Fox News went crazy about how Obama was making us all look weak when he wore a khaki suit in a press breifing.

 

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  posted on 2/28/2020 at 06:22 PM
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I agree that "how does this affect you?" is a useless question.

Adhill, I know you were making a point & that the question didn't originate w/you. Sorry, if you thought otherwise. The flip side - "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" often posed by media or candidates themselves is equally useless & conversation stopper.

 

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  posted on 2/28/2020 at 07:31 PM
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I don’t see evidence of facism or the Fatherland of Nazi Germany coming into our society - these to me mean gas chambers, branding people w/numbers on their bodies, the wholesale extermination of people in the name of creating One Genetically Superior race of man


I do not either, the rebuttal being "Well, we don't mean like a Holocaust"......Then why attempt the association? In that this is what the majority is going to visualize when they hear this term...

 

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  posted on 2/28/2020 at 09:11 PM
Most Germans and the world were unaware of the Holocaust until after the war.

I guess we will find out what is happening here after Europe liberates Dumbfuckistan.

 

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  posted on 2/28/2020 at 09:17 PM
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Most Germans and the world were unaware of the Holocaust until after the war.


This is what most Germans "claimed".....The rest of the world?..sure.

 

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  posted on 2/28/2020 at 10:56 PM
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This is what most Germans "claimed".


They most likely thought it was fake news.

 

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  posted on 2/28/2020 at 11:29 PM
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"Well, we don't mean like a Holocaust"......Then why attempt the association?


A discussion about similarities in rhetoric is not the same thing as predicting a Holocaust, obviously. why would you associate one with the other? That's quite a stretch.

 

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  posted on 2/29/2020 at 12:39 PM
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I would think the biggest issue is a lack of leadership. For the last three years their emphasis has been on attempts to discredit the sitting President and not on solutions that the electorate can believe in and respond to on election day.


Which of the nearly 300 bills passed by the House and sent to the Senate awaiting debate and vote in 2019 do you have an issue with?

EDIT: Correction. Nearly 400 bills.

[Edited on 2/27/2020 by Bhawk]


This is normal now. Just as McConnell is doing now, Harry Reid did to the hundreds of Republican controlled House passed bills. Par for the course these days.

 

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  posted on 2/29/2020 at 02:31 PM
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I would think the biggest issue is a lack of leadership. For the last three years their emphasis has been on attempts to discredit the sitting President and not on solutions that the electorate can believe in and respond to on election day.


Which of the nearly 300 bills passed by the House and sent to the Senate awaiting debate and vote in 2019 do you have an issue with?

EDIT: Correction. Nearly 400 bills.

[Edited on 2/27/2020 by Bhawk]


This is normal now. Just as McConnell is doing now, Harry Reid did to the hundreds of Republican controlled House passed bills. Par for the course these days.


I forgot that even the notion of absolute equivalence excuses all behavior. My bad.

 

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  posted on 2/29/2020 at 04:17 PM
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I would think the biggest issue is a lack of leadership. For the last three years their emphasis has been on attempts to discredit the sitting President and not on solutions that the electorate can believe in and respond to on election day.


Which of the nearly 300 bills passed by the House and sent to the Senate awaiting debate and vote in 2019 do you have an issue with?

EDIT: Correction. Nearly 400 bills.

[Edited on 2/27/2020 by Bhawk]


This is normal now. Just as McConnell is doing now, Harry Reid did to the hundreds of Republican controlled House passed bills. Par for the course these days.


I forgot that even the notion of absolute equivalence excuses all behavior. My bad.


Just politics as usual in Washington. Politics at it's worst when they denied Merrick Garland a vote. Obstruct (or resist if that word is preferred) what the other party wants. I don't like it that way, but everyone can see it.

 

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  posted on 2/29/2020 at 04:22 PM
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Little useful info from the debate, the last one mercifully is March 15 - Bernie still in front going into next week’s make or break (for some candidates) ‘super Tuesday’ -

maybe it’s prejudicial/politically IC or whatever, just am not comfortable with someone of his advanced age being president - he’s outta the gate strong, but over the long haul......


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I've been saying that about Sanders since 2016. I also consider his health in that he's had at least one heart attack on the campaign trail.

The problem is most of the other candidates aren't far behind him & would be the oldest president at inauguration (beating out Trump at 70 by almost a decade). At inauguration Sanders would be 79, but Bloomberg & Biden would be 78. Trump seems positively youthful in that he would be 74. Warren would be 71.

Prior to Trump, 69 yr old Reagan's age was an issue during his 1st campaign. We now know symptoms of Alzheimer's disease were present late in his second term & he survived an assassination attempt - that had nothing to do w/age - but there was a period of recovery during his presidency.

There's never been an octogenarian president even when LEAVING office. The "only as old as you feel/act" platitude is just that; we're as old as our bodies are.


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So where do you draw the line on age? What is the cutoff? Trump is pushing 74 so not too much younger than Bernie. Throw in Trump's "immaturity factor", and that really presents a problem for Trump - old in years but acts like a juvenile. That's a real dichotomy to reconcile for someone to vote for on top of the rest of his challenges as a decent human being.



We don't know the inner or mental health of these people (although many think they know Trump's mental health)...the only candidate of advanced age I have some concern about is Biden just because I think the effects of his age is fairly visible in not only his appearance, but with his speech. Bernie and Bloomberg at 78 I have yet to see any issue with age effecting them. They both had heart attacks, although Bloomberg's was 20 years ago or something I think. Heart attacks occur in much younger people sometimes too.

So, I think a lot of people are pretty disappointed that we are down to a few old white guys.

 

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  posted on 2/29/2020 at 08:33 PM
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I would think the biggest issue is a lack of leadership. For the last three years their emphasis has been on attempts to discredit the sitting President and not on solutions that the electorate can believe in and respond to on election day.


Which of the nearly 300 bills passed by the House and sent to the Senate awaiting debate and vote in 2019 do you have an issue with?

EDIT: Correction. Nearly 400 bills.

[Edited on 2/27/2020 by Bhawk]


This is normal now. Just as McConnell is doing now, Harry Reid did to the hundreds of Republican controlled House passed bills. Par for the course these days.


I forgot that even the notion of absolute equivalence excuses all behavior. My bad.


Just politics as usual in Washington. Politics at it's worst when they denied Merrick Garland a vote. Obstruct (or resist if that word is preferred) what the other party wants. I don't like it that way, but everyone can see it.


You can bet that if an opportunity presents itself this year, Mitch will do a 180 and have Trump gift another anti choice judge to SCOTUS. In essence, he'll go against his own reasoning last time out and leave it up to the next president as a vote of the people was his line re: MG. One day, the people of Kentucky will rid this country of Mitch.

 

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  posted on 2/29/2020 at 11:13 PM
Andrew Yang:
“...Bernie represents anger and revolution, Bloomberg represents wealth and managerial competence, I feel like Biden is caring, empathy and patriotism”

Big win for Biden. Pretty good victory speech too - a message he can take and build on.

Tuesday will tell what kind of legs this might have. Critically important who gets 15% of the vote in California and what kind of lead Sanders takes away at the end of Super Tuesday states.

Steyer out. Good showing for him relatively speaking, but I think he spent something like 22mil just in SC. The only other candidate I believe who spent over 1mil was Bootedge-edge.

 

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  posted on 3/1/2020 at 11:04 AM
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I would think the biggest issue is a lack of leadership. For the last three years their emphasis has been on attempts to discredit the sitting President and not on solutions that the electorate can believe in and respond to on election day.


Which of the nearly 300 bills passed by the House and sent to the Senate awaiting debate and vote in 2019 do you have an issue with?

EDIT: Correction. Nearly 400 bills.

[Edited on 2/27/2020 by Bhawk]


This is normal now. Just as McConnell is doing now, Harry Reid did to the hundreds of Republican controlled House passed bills. Par for the course these days.


I forgot that even the notion of absolute equivalence excuses all behavior. My bad.


Just politics as usual in Washington. Politics at it's worst when they denied Merrick Garland a vote. Obstruct (or resist if that word is preferred) what the other party wants. I don't like it that way, but everyone can see it.


A 10 minute review of the Reid leadership vs the McConnell leadership, however, shows...

Eff it. Republican good, Democrat bad. Can’t fight it.

 

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  posted on 3/1/2020 at 01:02 PM
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Can’t fight it.


It can and will continue to be fought, but save your breath for the battle. Propaganda warfare is a demoralization psy-op. That is what is being conducted via the internet, cybersappers. Don't fall for it, we got this - they have made their fatal mistake already: They f*cked with America.

 

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  posted on 3/1/2020 at 04:53 PM
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A 10 minute review of the Reid leadership vs the McConnell leadership, however, shows...

Eff it. Republican good, Democrat bad. Can’t fight it.


I prefer Republican bad, Democrat bad. Perhaps you might prefer Democrat bad, Republican worse?

 

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A 10 minute review of the Reid leadership vs the McConnell leadership, however, shows...

Eff it. Republican good, Democrat bad. Can’t fight it.


I prefer Republican bad, Democrat bad. Perhaps you might prefer Democrat bad, Republican worse?


No. I simply believe that there are many situations where differences are clear, and “they all suck” isn’t deep enough. It just makes it easier to justify whatever happens no matter who does it.

 

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  posted on 3/1/2020 at 08:29 PM
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Big win for Biden. Pretty good victory speech too -


Did Joe again the mention the 150 million Americans that have been killed by Handguns?

 

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  posted on 3/1/2020 at 10:38 PM
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Big win for Biden. Pretty good victory speech too -


Did Joe again the mention the 150 million Americans that have been killed by Handguns?


He did not.

Pete out.

 

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  posted on 3/2/2020 at 09:16 AM
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I simply believe that there are many situations where differences are clear, and “they all suck” isn’t deep enough. It just makes it easier to justify whatever happens no matter who does it.


The differences are very clear. We've heard so many conservatives say they voted for Trump because the left was too mean to them. Since 2008, the Republican party and its voters have put the best interests of the United States aside so they could settle some personal vendetta against Obama, and Democrats in general. A progressive momement terrified them, so they resorted to hiring a thug to fight dirty.

But that's the difference that I see. That we all fought clean up until 2015. We all put the best interests of the United States first, and put our personal squabbles second. Trump changed that. I can only pray that this isn't the new normal, and that we all recognize the dangers of this after he's gone, and that we all go back to the values that used to hold dear when we were younger. I'm optimistic that once the black cloud is gone, whether next year or in 2025, then we'll find our way back.

 

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  posted on 3/2/2020 at 02:42 PM
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was starting to show signs of paranoia at work from an ongoing dispute w/another employee

Was a hobbyist who collected guns -
& out of the blue, snapped -


An avid gun enthusiast who was showing signs of paranoia at work, are 2 glaring signs...far from out of the blue. Failure to recognize these red flags and threats are part of the problem. One shooting example has nothing to do with the ongoing gun debate. We could list dozens of examples of mass shootings that could’ve resulted in far fewer casualties, saving dozens of lives and families from tragedy, had we have common sense gun laws on the books. The desire to ignore this, while children and loved ones are being slaughtered in public, is reprehensible.

Back to back adhill’s point, I think he’s just asking the other poster for an explanation on the double standard surrounding the Democratic policies being discussed.


[Edited on 2/28/2020 by Skydog32103]


Why would being an avid gun enthusiast be a "glaring sign", and a "red flag"?

 

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  posted on 3/3/2020 at 07:32 AM
Amy out.

Pete and Amy endorse Biden along with Beto (which wouldn't appear to mean much but he is popular in Texas).

How many early votes already cast for Buttigieg and Klobuchar?

Big day - Super Tuesday!

 

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  posted on 3/3/2020 at 08:31 AM
It's looking like Biden will take the ticket. Seems like Trump knew this months ago. If more candidates drop out and endorse him, we can all expect a strong Obama endorsement as well, and then let the games begin.

Lets see who trusts the United States intelligence agencies and FBI versus who trusts Donald Trump.



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  posted on 3/3/2020 at 02:22 PM
Be sure to follow FOX News' Brit Hume on more Sexy Vixen Vinyl---AHH! I mean, Presidential primary coverage.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fox-news-brit-hume-browser-tabs_n_5e5e462fc5 b63aaf8f5d29eb?ncid=APPLENEWS00001
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Someone remind Fox News’ Brit Hume to close down the tabs on his internet browser the next time he decides to share a screenshot online.

On Tuesday morning, the conservative network’s senior political analyst posted a screen grab of primary election betting odds showing former Vice President Joe Biden as the Democratic 2020 front-runner, ahead of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

Twitter users were more titillated, however, by an open browser tab reading “Sexy Vixen Vinyl.”



Hume tweeted the screenshot at 5:37 a.m. It’s unclear what the Sexy Vixen Vinyl browser tab may have featured.

The post, that remained online for almost three hours before being deleted, caught the attention of plenty of people on social media:



 

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