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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:04 AM
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don't think AK gains enough traction to be a real contender. In the end, if Joe is out of the mix, then it'll come down to Bernie, Mayor Pete, and Michael B. I think Bernie's message may be a big liability.


Bernie has a #metoo problem along w/his other baggage.

I was interested in the mechanics of the impeachment because it is a rare occurrence on the American landscape. You indulged me. I have zero interest in elections - especially starting back 18 months ago. I'll not interrupt your discussion, but I do want to say the dems are missing the point.

You don't fight polarization w/more polarization. You draw a large enough group through every sector that sees that Trump is a dictator wannabe, disruptor, bot. You find someone richer, smarter, & tougher even if he's not perfect on every issue. Then EVERY single dem gets behind that guy (there's not going to be a woman prez next year). Everyone. All the old guys - Warren, Bernie, Biden - drop out & get behind Bloomberg as much as it might pain them to do so.

This isn't politics as usual. We're in a new galaxy. Trump isn't even going to debate the dem nominee. Why should he? He's in a position of strength & he knows it.

This is from the NYT & lays out a good strategy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/opinion/bloomberg-president-2020.html?ac tion=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=OpEd%20Columnists

Key points are:

We have to get this right. This is no ordinary time, no ordinary Republican Party, no ordinary incumbent, and it will require an extraordinary Democratic machine to triumph.

Because, without doubt, Russia and China also will be “voting” Trump 2020 — for three reasons: (1) Trump keeps America in turmoil and unable to focus on building the infrastructure we need to dominate the 21st century the way we did the 20th. (2) Both Beijing and Moscow know that Trump is so disliked by America’s key allies that he can never galvanize a global coalition against China or Russia. And (3) both Russia and China know that Trump is utterly transactional and will never challenge them on human rights abuses. Trump is their chump, and they will not let him go easily....

...There is one candidate on the Democratic side who has the resources to build a machine big enough to take on the Trump machine.

This candidate also has the toughness to take on Trump, because while Trump was pretending to be a C.E.O. on the show “The Apprentice,” this candidate was actually building one of the most admired global companies as a real C.E.O.

This candidate is not cuddly, he is not always politically correct and he will not always tell you what you want to hear — or try to outbid you on how many free services he’ll give away. He’s made mistakes, especially around stop-and-frisk policing in New York City, which disproportionately targeted black and brown men and for which he recently apologized.

His mistakes, though, have to be weighed against a record of courageously speaking out and devoting enormous personal resources to virtually every progressive cause — gun control, abortion rights, climate change, Planned Parenthood, education reform for predominantly minority schools, affordable housing, income inequality and tax reform. And he has vowed as president to focus on building black wealth, not just ending poverty.

And this candidate knows how to get stuff done — he can fight this fire at the scale of the fire. His team has for years used social networks to promote progressive issues to centrist and conservative audiences. He won’t cede the internet/Facebook/Twitter battlefield to Trump’s team, who are killers in that space.
And this candidate is now rising steadily in the polls. This candidate is Michael Bloomberg. This candidate has Trump very worried.



 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:14 AM
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If somebody makes a derogatory statement about people of color


then the right will elevate them to the White House.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:16 AM
@cyclone - Nice writeup thx for taking the time. Good points - a strong moderate could break up this unflushable turd stinkin up the White House.

Depressing that Bernie Sanders is back - he strikes me as a hack.

 

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then the right will elevate them to the White House.


And look at the that!...Here comes a Democratic candidate making the exact same type of allusion...

But that's OK because the other Party has done it as well.

Holy sh*t.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:19 AM
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As long as it is the Left doing the accusing.


never a denial....so interesting.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:26 AM
The noise around Bloomberg shows they may see him as a threat.
 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:30 AM
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As long as it is the Left doing the accusing.


never a denial....so interesting.


I think this goes to the core of your issue here on this board. You've accused and You've inquired, you are curious as to why people do not respond to your questions and "inquisitions"... So, to not answer you is to deny or be evasive. That's quite a level of self importance you have placed on the worth of your own scrutiny. People have thoughts and opinions and it is their choice as when it is important enough to "defend" them. You can't handle that and that's OK. But I would add that even if most were to respond to your interests, your response would be one of disbelief that led to an attempt to prove the other "wrong". This has zero to do with dialogue and everything to do with why I could not care less what you think.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:32 AM
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The noise around Bloomberg shows they may see him as a threat.



$$$$$$$ He is in the %1 the left seems to have so much disdain for.

Conundrum

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:33 AM
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And look at the that!...Here comes a Democratic candidate making the exact same type of allusion...But that's OK


Is there new data to support this conclusion about Bloomberg’s numbers, or is this just emotion?

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:39 AM
I don't know, but it looks like the Redhat hive is starting to defense swarm.
 

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And look at the that!...Here comes a Democratic candidate making the exact same type of allusion...But that's OK


Is there new data to support this conclusion about Bloomberg’s numbers, or is this just emotion?



Numbers?....I'm referencing his comments about minorities and crime, thus the use of the word "Allusion"

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:48 AM
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I think this goes to the core of your issue here on this board. You've accused and You've inquired, you are curious as to why people do not respond to your questions and "inquisitions"... So, to not answer you is to deny or be evasive. That's quite a level of self importance you have placed on the worth of your own scrutiny. People have thoughts and opinions and it is their choice as when it is important enough to "defend" them. You can't handle that and that's OK. But I would add that even if most were to respond to your interests, your response would be one of disbelief that led to an attempt to prove the other "wrong". This has zero to do with dialogue and everything to do with why I could not care less what you think.


you could care less, but took this time to write to me? Whatever you say!

you made the conscious choice to find a YouTube video about Bloomberg, and use it to make some bizarre manifested conclusion about the left deeming it ok. I’m going to treat you with that same respect every single time.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 11:49 AM
HAT ALERT HAT ALERT ALL REDHATS FLASH BLITZ SOCIAL MEDIA BLOOMBERG IS A RICH RACIST REPEAT RICH RACIST HAT ALERT HAT ALERT
 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 12:30 PM
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New Hampshire tonight.

What might it mean if Biden finishes 4th again, or even 5th if Amy can beat him?


My gut tells me Joe lives for Nevada, SC, and Super Tuesday. He should perform better then, however I think Mayor Pete is taking away from Joe's votes. Joe's trend has been down. I f Joe is not well up in the mix after those 3 voting days, then he is toast.

I don't think AK gains enough traction to be a real contender. In the end, if Joe is out of the mix, then it'll come down to Bernie, Mayor Pete, and Michael B. I think Bernie's message may be a big liability.

Time will tell.



Bernie wins, Pete B 2nd, Amy K 3rd, Yang cashes out, guessing 2 of the 3 Mass. candidates, E. Warren & Deval Patrick, will soon follow (Bill Weld has money) - but the top 3 represent a real cross section, which is nice to see

The campaign trail to Milwaukee & the DNC is long - as you said, time will tell

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 12:39 PM
Bloomberg-Klobuchar 2020?
 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 12:56 PM
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@cyclone - Nice writeup thx for taking the time. Good points - a strong moderate could break up this unflushable turd stinkin up the White House. Depressing that Bernie Sanders is back - he strikes me as a hack.


They're all hacks if they don't understand that the rules have changed. Trump was emboldened by the impeachment acquittal. He's abusing his powers again by intervening in Roger Stone's sentencing thru Barr & the dem response is "we'll have to have the IG have Barr explain his reasoning" as if Congressional oversight of Trump isn't DOA. I've no idea what it would take for dems & moderate GOPs to realize that politics as usual is OVER in the Trump era & new, aggressive tactics are required to oust him - even if it means very strange bedfellows.




 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 12:57 PM
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Bloomberg-Klobuchar 2020?


Bloomberg-former GOP 2020.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 01:06 PM
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Bloomberg-Klobuchar 2020?


Solid ticket. I like it.

I hate to bring up the elephant in the room but has the US evolved to the point of electing a Jewish president? Every president has been Protestant except Kennedy, and look at how that worked out. Then Obama, sort of, but he was on the books as a Protestant.

It would be great to break the pattern, but this goes way deeper than electing a black person or a woman - the ultraright Christians and Nazis are gonna freak out if a Jew is president, just watch, it will be the Antichrist, that type of noise. This is a very primitive country.



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Bloomberg-Klobuchar 2020?


Solid ticket. I like it.

I hate to bring up the elephant in the room but has the US evolved to the point of electing a Jewish president? Every president has been Protestant except Kennedy, and look at how that worked out. Then Obama, sort of, but he was on the books as a Protestant.

It would be great to break the pattern, but this goes way deeper than electing a black person or a woman - the ultraright Christians and Nazis are gonna freak out if a Jew is president, just watch, it will be the Antichrist, that type of noise. This is a very primitive country.



[Edited on 2/12/2020 by BrerRabbit]


I just don't believe that Bloomberg will do as good as he thinks he will across the south or other rural dominant states.

 

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Did not President Obama carry the electoral college?


Yes. Obama won both electoral and popular vote in 2008 and 2012. So any argument over Electoral College need not include Obama.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2020 at 06:22 PM
Bloomberg should buy all of Trump's debt and call it in, taking all of his holdings and hotels in the process.

 

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I'm seeing a new Bloomberg commercial with old Obama footage and quotes. That's going to make Biden mad, using Obama is his gig!

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I just don't believe that Bloomberg will do as good as he thinks he will across the south or other rural dominant states.


Primary or general? In the primaries he should be able to do as well as any of the candidates left.

 

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So, to not answer you is to deny or be evasive. That's quite a level of self importance you have placed on the worth of your own scrutiny. People have thoughts and opinions and it is their choice as when it is important enough to "defend" them.


Dude. You literally chastised me for not answering your question to me in this thread.

 

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don't think AK gains enough traction to be a real contender. In the end, if Joe is out of the mix, then it'll come down to Bernie, Mayor Pete, and Michael B. I think Bernie's message may be a big liability.


Bernie has a #metoo problem along w/his other baggage.

I was interested in the mechanics of the impeachment because it is a rare occurrence on the American landscape. You indulged me. I have zero interest in elections - especially starting back 18 months ago. I'll not interrupt your discussion, but I do want to say the dems are missing the point.

You don't fight polarization w/more polarization. You draw a large enough group through every sector that sees that Trump is a dictator wannabe, disruptor, bot. You find someone richer, smarter, & tougher even if he's not perfect on every issue. Then EVERY single dem gets behind that guy (there's not going to be a woman prez next year). Everyone. All the old guys - Warren, Bernie, Biden - drop out & get behind Bloomberg as much as it might pain them to do so.

This isn't politics as usual. We're in a new galaxy. Trump isn't even going to debate the dem nominee. Why should he? He's in a position of strength & he knows it.

This is from the NYT & lays out a good strategy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/opinion/bloomberg-president-2020.html?ac tion=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=OpEd%20Columnists

Key points are:

We have to get this right. This is no ordinary time, no ordinary Republican Party, no ordinary incumbent, and it will require an extraordinary Democratic machine to triumph.

Because, without doubt, Russia and China also will be “voting” Trump 2020 — for three reasons: (1) Trump keeps America in turmoil and unable to focus on building the infrastructure we need to dominate the 21st century the way we did the 20th. (2) Both Beijing and Moscow know that Trump is so disliked by America’s key allies that he can never galvanize a global coalition against China or Russia. And (3) both Russia and China know that Trump is utterly transactional and will never challenge them on human rights abuses. Trump is their chump, and they will not let him go easily....

...There is one candidate on the Democratic side who has the resources to build a machine big enough to take on the Trump machine.

This candidate also has the toughness to take on Trump, because while Trump was pretending to be a C.E.O. on the show “The Apprentice,” this candidate was actually building one of the most admired global companies as a real C.E.O.

This candidate is not cuddly, he is not always politically correct and he will not always tell you what you want to hear — or try to outbid you on how many free services he’ll give away. He’s made mistakes, especially around stop-and-frisk policing in New York City, which disproportionately targeted black and brown men and for which he recently apologized.

His mistakes, though, have to be weighed against a record of courageously speaking out and devoting enormous personal resources to virtually every progressive cause — gun control, abortion rights, climate change, Planned Parenthood, education reform for predominantly minority schools, affordable housing, income inequality and tax reform. And he has vowed as president to focus on building black wealth, not just ending poverty.

And this candidate knows how to get stuff done — he can fight this fire at the scale of the fire. His team has for years used social networks to promote progressive issues to centrist and conservative audiences. He won’t cede the internet/Facebook/Twitter battlefield to Trump’s team, who are killers in that space.
And this candidate is now rising steadily in the polls. This candidate is Michael Bloomberg. This candidate has Trump very worried.





This post here is pretty much true.

 

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Bloomberg-Klobuchar 2020?


Solid ticket. I like it.




I just don't believe that Bloomberg will do as good as he thinks he will across the south or other rural dominant states.


In that sense I think Bernie will find the same thing as in 2016 - once the trail winds thru the more urban areas, his popularity will level off
Someone his age doing what he’s doing deserves respect from all Americans

 

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