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  posted on 11/20/2019 at 11:22 PM
Actually watched some of the debate tonight. I've heard the jokes about how often Biden brings up Obama's name even if it isn't related. It isn't a joke, he actually does that...a lot.
 

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  posted on 11/21/2019 at 08:44 AM
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Actually watched some of the debate tonight. I've heard the jokes about how often Biden brings up Obama's name even if it isn't related. It isn't a joke, he actually does that...a lot.

Yeah, he is trying to ride that wave. He was pretty aggressive last night, not necessarily towards anyone, but in tone. He sounds as scatalogical as Trump at times, not sure where what he is saying is going and starts tripping over his own words. I don't think I could take a debate between Trump and Biden, none of it would make any sense.

It's definitely time for Gabbard to drop out. Wonder Woman didn't do herself any favors last night by trying to attack Pete and getting pie in her face. I'm not sure who is behind Klobuchar, but I'm surprised she is still hanging in there too - she speaks in platitudes and it's not enough.

Harris, Booker, Pete, Warren, all come out of these debates well as far as content and message, but name recognition will give Biden and Sanders a boost to casual voters early on.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2019 at 09:23 AM
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Harris, Booker, Pete, Warren, all come out of these debates well as far as content and message, but name recognition will give Biden and Sanders a boost to casual voters early on.


Among elderly voters too - they count for a lot of votes, altho w/two of them, the votes would divide, helping neither - Ďdebateableí IMHO their long-term viability/voter value in the rigors of presidential race -

biggest ups to them too, Joe & Bernie are doing more than most regardless of age/politics/party affiliation, so-forth....

 

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  posted on 11/21/2019 at 09:38 AM
With Booker, says he is danger of not making the next debate, and some of the other candidates who can't make the debates but are still in the race, I feel like it's all being funneled down way ahead of Iowa and New Hampshire. It's like the debate requirements are deciding who the choices are, why not just let the primaries in February determine who stays in moving forward?

At this point the debates are as much about TV ratings and selling advertising for the networks as anything else, but they are dictating the choices.

I know there is a need and a desire to let the real viable candidates have more air time - I just hate that actual voters aren't deciding who stays in or out moving forward.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2019 at 10:13 AM
Itís a real large field - guessing itíll shake out as it usually does, w/midrange candidates dropping out after NH & the first few primaries - missed it last nite so donít know but the debate format w/multiple candidates IMO arenít much more than TV shows - not informative

 

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  posted on 11/23/2019 at 09:51 AM
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With Booker, says he is danger of not making the next debate, and some of the other candidates who can't make the debates but are still in the race, I feel like it's all being funneled down way ahead of Iowa and New Hampshire. It's like the debate requirements are deciding who the choices are, why not just let the primaries in February determine who stays in moving forward?

At this point the debates are as much about TV ratings and selling advertising for the networks as anything else, but they are dictating the choices.

I know there is a need and a desire to let the real viable candidates have more air time - I just hate that actual voters aren't deciding who stays in or out moving forward.


Why don't they have "rotational" debates? Have the top eight with two from the lower tier of the qualifications?
The debates also need to have an open forum section that allows questions from the audience, not just the prepared ones that the candidates have probably been given to prepare for the debate.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2019 at 11:38 AM
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With Booker, says he is danger of not making the next debate, and some of the other candidates who can't make the debates but are still in the race, I feel like it's all being funneled down way ahead of Iowa and New Hampshire. It's like the debate requirements are deciding who the choices are, why not just let the primaries in February determine who stays in moving forward?

At this point the debates are as much about TV ratings and selling advertising for the networks as anything else, but they are dictating the choices.

I know there is a need and a desire to let the real viable candidates have more air time - I just hate that actual voters aren't deciding who stays in or out moving forward.


This part of the process is not about voters, itís about donors and voters who donate.

Cory Booker is close to dropping out not because voters arenít feeling his vibe or his message isnít resonating...heís about out of cash. That simple.

There are the huge mega donors and then there are the millions of donors who give $200 or less. Presidential campaigns are ridiculously, extensively, stunningly, idiotically expensive.

Donít ever let yourself think that any of this or any other campaign by either party is all about issues and message.

Iíve always been intrigued by what people do and donít blame media for. The manipulative way that ďFake NewsĒ has been utilized has been pure mass media genius. Donald Trump and the media are in the most highly addictive co-enabling relationship in the history of modern American culture. Neither one of them can live without the other...mutually shared oxygen.

Red, white and blue ainít got chit to do with green.

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  posted on 11/23/2019 at 11:50 AM
The most articulate explanation of our dysfunctional election process I've read, Bhawk....Well said.
 

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  posted on 11/23/2019 at 12:04 PM
A good example of Bhawk's explanation is Elize Stefanik, my representative. She has from day one of the election of Donald Trump walked a very fine line among the constituents of her district here in upstate, NY. She's careful to criticize him only when the polls favor such actions and supports him wholeheartedly when the polls suggest she should.

This district is very Republican and has been so forever. But Republican's who are of the traditional bent. Like myself and many traditional Republicans who reside in this district, she knows Trump is worthy of impeachment but chose in the past several weeks to sell her soul to his enablers and the Fox crowd. Her appearance this week on the tabloid news channel was purely self-serving.

Mostly to raise money from the Trumpies out there for her 2020 campaign and also to lay the ground work for a promising career as a very highly paid lobbyist and/or Fox news analyst should she lose in 2020 to Tedra Cobb.

Ms. Cobb incidentally raised over a million dollars last weekend alone after Stefanik made clear she's caste aside her soul to further her career. However, for Stefanik it's a win win as she either wins re-election or leaves politics for a brief time to make a fortune...Or serve in some capacity in the Trump administration given her obvious attempt to win the Presidents favor the past few weeks.

In the end, this behavior is pretty much what Bhawk described in his oh so eloquent post above....Stefanik's behavior during the hearings and on Fox News is her manipulation of the media and the media's manipulation of her. Sadly, the losers are once again the voters...

 

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  posted on 11/30/2019 at 11:38 AM
Kamala Harris might be in trouble
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-suffers-blow-aide-165844171.html

Her aide left with a scathing comment on how the staff has been treated and went to work for Bloomberg.

 

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  posted on 11/30/2019 at 01:24 PM
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Kamala Harris might be in trouble
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-suffers-blow-aide-165844171.html

Her aide left with a scathing comment on how the staff has been treated and went to work for Bloomberg.




No big deal. Her polling numbers have been poor for months. She had one bright moment in the first debate when she threw a rehearsed line at Biden, got a bit of polling & news cycle traction, and then settled back into the mid/ bottom of the pack. She will NOT be the nominee but maybe a VP candidate mention.

 

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  posted on 11/30/2019 at 01:46 PM
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Kamala Harris might be in trouble
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-suffers-blow-aide-165844171.html

Her aide left with a scathing comment on how the staff has been treated and went to work for Bloomberg.




No big deal. Her polling numbers have been poor for months. She had one bright moment in the first debate when she threw a rehearsed line at Biden, got a bit of polling & news cycle traction, and then settled back into the mid/ bottom of the pack. She will NOT be the nominee but maybe a VP candidate mention.


I think she'd make an excellent Attorney General if the Dems. win the White House. But yes, a potential Vice President too.

I think she might be the only Democrat in the race that has the legal skills, chops, and experience as a prosecutor to actually bring some semblance of honor back to the AG position. Barr has disgraced the position to the point that it seems the sole purpose of his tenure is solely to provide cover for Trump.


 

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  posted on 11/30/2019 at 08:09 PM
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actually bring some semblance of honor back to the AG position.


How has this "Lack of Honor" affected your day to day reality?

 

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Kamala Harris might be in trouble
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-suffers-blow-aide-165844171.html

Her aide left with a scathing comment on how the staff has been treated and went to work for Bloomberg.




No big deal. Her polling numbers have been poor for months. She had one bright moment in the first debate when she threw a rehearsed line at Biden, got a bit of polling & news cycle traction, and then settled back into the mid/ bottom of the pack. She will NOT be the nominee but maybe a VP candidate mention.


I think she'd make an excellent Attorney General if the Dems. win the White House. But yes, a potential Vice President too.

I think she might be the only Democrat in the race that has the legal skills, chops, and experience as a prosecutor to actually bring some semblance of honor back to the AG position. Barr has disgraced the position to the point that it seems the sole purpose of his tenure is solely to provide cover for Trump.



Barr = Michael Cohen = Roy Cohn = fixers = inside guys protecting the boss politically & with personal problems. All great guys, treated unfairly, and not given proper credit by the fake media (especially the failing NY Times).

 

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  posted on 11/30/2019 at 09:25 PM
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I think she'd make an excellent Attorney General if the Dems. win the White House. But yes, a potential Vice President too.

I think she might be the only Democrat in the race that has the legal skills, chops, and experience as a prosecutor to actually bring some semblance of honor back to the AG position. Barr has disgraced the position to the point that it seems the sole purpose of his tenure is solely to provide cover for Trump.


She's got the Right Stuff.


 

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  posted on 11/30/2019 at 09:40 PM
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Kamala Harris might be in trouble
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-suffers-blow-aide-165844171.html

Her aide left with a scathing comment on how the staff has been treated and went to work for Bloomberg.




No big deal. Her polling numbers have been poor for months. She had one bright moment in the first debate when she threw a rehearsed line at Biden, got a bit of polling & news cycle traction, and then settled back into the mid/ bottom of the pack. She will NOT be the nominee but maybe a VP candidate mention.


I think she'd make an excellent Attorney General if the Dems. win the White House. But yes, a potential Vice President too.

I think she might be the only Democrat in the race that has the legal skills, chops, and experience as a prosecutor to actually bring some semblance of honor back to the AG position. Barr has disgraced the position to the point that it seems the sole purpose of his tenure is solely to provide cover for Trump.




Are you sure you want her as the AG?

https://californiaglobe.com/local/san-francisco-/kamala-is-in/

Found several articles from as far back as 2010 about case dismissals due to not informing defense about misconduct by lab technicians, refusing to re-test DNA for a person that was almost executed before a judge ordered the tests (which Harris challenged), perjury by prosecutors under her, using her office to intimidate a whistle blower involved in the Planned Parenthood case of selling aborted fetus organs, and the list goes on---

 

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  posted on 12/1/2019 at 05:26 AM
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Kamala Harris might be in trouble
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-suffers-blow-aide-165844171.html

Her aide left with a scathing comment on how the staff has been treated and went to work for Bloomberg.




No big deal. Her polling numbers have been poor for months. She had one bright moment in the first debate when she threw a rehearsed line at Biden, got a bit of polling & news cycle traction, and then settled back into the mid/ bottom of the pack. She will NOT be the nominee but maybe a VP candidate mention.


I think she'd make an excellent Attorney General if the Dems. win the White House. But yes, a potential Vice President too.

I think she might be the only Democrat in the race that has the legal skills, chops, and experience as a prosecutor to actually bring some semblance of honor back to the AG position. Barr has disgraced the position to the point that it seems the sole purpose of his tenure is solely to provide cover for Trump.




Are you sure you want her as the AG?

https://californiaglobe.com/local/san-francisco-/kamala-is-in/

Found several articles from as far back as 2010 about case dismissals due to not informing defense about misconduct by lab technicians, refusing to re-test DNA for a person that was almost executed before a judge ordered the tests (which Harris challenged), perjury by prosecutors under her, using her office to intimidate a whistle blower involved in the Planned Parenthood case of selling aborted fetus organs, and the list goes on---


Yes, I still think she'd be a big improvement on the current occupant of the AG position. As well as the racist, bigot who held it prior to Barr.

 

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  posted on 12/3/2019 at 04:48 PM
Kamala Harris officially ended her campaign today.....I suspect, as mentioned earlier in this thread, she may yet be on the ticket. Or in the Democratic administration in 2021....
 

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  posted on 12/3/2019 at 11:41 PM
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With Booker, says he is danger of not making the next debate, and some of the other candidates who can't make the debates but are still in the race, I feel like it's all being funneled down way ahead of Iowa and New Hampshire. It's like the debate requirements are deciding who the choices are, why not just let the primaries in February determine who stays in moving forward?

At this point the debates are as much about TV ratings and selling advertising for the networks as anything else, but they are dictating the choices.

I know there is a need and a desire to let the real viable candidates have more air time - I just hate that actual voters aren't deciding who stays in or out moving forward.


This part of the process is not about voters, itís about donors and voters who donate.

Cory Booker is close to dropping out not because voters arenít feeling his vibe or his message isnít resonating...heís about out of cash. That simple.

There are the huge mega donors and then there are the millions of donors who give $200 or less. Presidential campaigns are ridiculously, extensively, stunningly, idiotically expensive.

Donít ever let yourself think that any of this or any other campaign by either party is all about issues and message.

Iíve always been intrigued by what people do and donít blame media for. The manipulative way that ďFake NewsĒ has been utilized has been pure mass media genius. Donald Trump and the media are in the most highly addictive co-enabling relationship in the history of modern American culture. Neither one of them can live without the other...mutually shared oxygen.

Red, white and blue ainít got chit to do with green.

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/president/democratic-primary/candida tes/fundraising-and-campaign-finance-tracker/


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The most articulate explanation of our dysfunctional election process I've read, Bhawk....Well said.


Why are these candidates dropping out before the primaries though?

What is so different...in 4 years has it become that much more expensive than when all those Republicans were running? In early 2016 they still have the pre-debate with the lesser candidates and the main debate. Ben Carson and Rand Paul were still participating in 2016 debates, so was Christie. Maybe they had more money than Booker and Harris?

For the Demcorats this year, you still have guys like Michael Bennett in the race.

I just don't get why you run for POTUS and drop out before you actually get to when the first votes get counted.

Sure it's about money....maybe Booker and Harris and everyone else who dropped out don't know how to do it, and maybe Bennett and Delaney have it all firgured out? I mean, I find that hard to believe, but if you want to run for President and are serious about it stick around to see if people are going to pick you in Iowa and New Hampshire. Other people with less money are doing so, maybe one of them will splash at some point.

 

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With Booker, says he is danger of not making the next debate, and some of the other candidates who can't make the debates but are still in the race, I feel like it's all being funneled down way ahead of Iowa and New Hampshire. It's like the debate requirements are deciding who the choices are, why not just let the primaries in February determine who stays in moving forward?

At this point the debates are as much about TV ratings and selling advertising for the networks as anything else, but they are dictating the choices.

I know there is a need and a desire to let the real viable candidates have more air time - I just hate that actual voters aren't deciding who stays in or out moving forward.


This part of the process is not about voters, itís about donors and voters who donate.

Cory Booker is close to dropping out not because voters arenít feeling his vibe or his message isnít resonating...heís about out of cash. That simple.

There are the huge mega donors and then there are the millions of donors who give $200 or less. Presidential campaigns are ridiculously, extensively, stunningly, idiotically expensive.

Donít ever let yourself think that any of this or any other campaign by either party is all about issues and message.

Iíve always been intrigued by what people do and donít blame media for. The manipulative way that ďFake NewsĒ has been utilized has been pure mass media genius. Donald Trump and the media are in the most highly addictive co-enabling relationship in the history of modern American culture. Neither one of them can live without the other...mutually shared oxygen.

Red, white and blue ainít got chit to do with green.

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/president/democratic-primary/candida tes/fundraising-and-campaign-finance-tracker/


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The most articulate explanation of our dysfunctional election process I've read, Bhawk....Well said.


Why are these candidates dropping out before the primaries though?

What is so different...in 4 years has it become that much more expensive than when all those Republicans were running? In early 2016 they still have the pre-debate with the lesser candidates and the main debate. Ben Carson and Rand Paul were still participating in 2016 debates, so was Christie. Maybe they had more money than Booker and Harris?

For the Demcorats this year, you still have guys like Michael Bennett in the race.

I just don't get why you run for POTUS and drop out before you actually get to when the first votes get counted.

Sure it's about money....maybe Booker and Harris and everyone else who dropped out don't know how to do it, and maybe Bennett and Delaney have it all firgured out? I mean, I find that hard to believe, but if you want to run for President and are serious about it stick around to see if people are going to pick you in Iowa and New Hampshire. Other people with less money are doing so, maybe one of them will splash at some point.


Some run to get their name out there knowing well they have no chance. Some are looking for future admin positions.

Bennett and Delaney are rarely mentioned and have practically no traction. They can hang around but will have next to zero impact.

Unfortunately money is much the name of the game. I've never given a dime to a candidate & never will. Way too much money in politics as it is. Money in politics breeds ownership & corruption. Thank you SCOTUS for Citizens United decision.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2019 at 10:11 PM
I donated $20 to Delaney twice (once $20.20)....but he keeps asking for more
 

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Why are these candidates dropping out before the primaries though?



How do you pay a campaign staff, travel, lodging, food, signs, mailers, heaven forbid tv ads with no money?

 

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Why are these candidates dropping out before the primaries though?



How do you pay a campaign staff, travel, lodging, food, signs, mailers, heaven forbid tv ads with no money?




Some candidates are doing it. I guess the ones who dropped out aren't fit to oversee a federal budget anyway, they must've misspent their donations.

 

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How do you pay a campaign staff, travel, lodging, food, signs, mailers, heaven forbid tv ads with no money?




Some candidates are doing it. I guess the ones who dropped out aren't fit to oversee a federal budget anyway, they must've misspent their donations.


Or, the same leaders in the democratic party who "pre-determined" that Hillary would be the Candidate in '16 are at it again.....A little convincing here and there that you are not a viable candidate, narrows the field a little at a time doesn't it?

 

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How do you pay a campaign staff, travel, lodging, food, signs, mailers, heaven forbid tv ads with no money?




Some candidates are doing it. I guess the ones who dropped out aren't fit to oversee a federal budget anyway, they must've misspent their donations.


Or, the same leaders in the democratic party who "pre-determined" that Hillary would be the Candidate in '16 are at it again.....A little convincing here and there that you are not a viable candidate, narrows the field a little at a time doesn't it?


Quick BigV, call the Trump campaign! They're scrambling for scandal to pin on the Dems....That Ukraine/Biden scandal idea seems to have got only minimal traction but your idea, well, it could save the day for the Trump syndicate in 2020.

It worked the last time, run that play again, I say!

 
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